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I think my husband is selfish but he disagrees

48 replies

Cutestbaby · 03/12/2020 12:24

I will describe recent events but it is a good example of what it has been all our life. I had a baby a few days ago. For 5 weeks leading up to the birth I was very unwell with frequent hospital trips. And at one point after a procedure that I had to have, I was unable to get up to even go to the toilet, but my husband left me at home and went to work. We have 2 older children that are at school during the day and get themselves there. On the day of baby's birth my husband worked from home and did so for the day after too. He then went back to work even though he had holidays to take if he wanted to. He has now declared he is planning to go football at the weekend and doesn't understand why I think his behaviour is awful on so many levels. And in general he is not interested in what goes on at school, over the years I stopped telling him or asking to come to any events as it always felt like he is doing me a major favour and his expression of dislike when he did come is quite hurtful so no point . It is the same with any house work, cooking etc. It's all my responsibility and when he does do something to help out, it's a major achievement. He has two hobbies golf and football and during the warm part of the year it is not unusual for him to spend both Sat and Sun playing those sports. Because he manages to fit in a supermarket trip he thinks that's great going. If I ask him to do or not to do something (e.g.leave he clothes around ) that means I moan. And if he does do something that I specifically asked to do like wash up there is always food left on dishes and I think he does it on purpose (but says not) because I asked. To be honest I rarely ask because there is always a friction or he so conditioned me to feel rubbish when I do, as it is obvious he does not want to be asked to do anything. I am on maternity leave now, but when not, we both work and commute to work. Needless to say that all childcare has to be sorted by me too. Does this sound like a man that is interested in his family? And why on earth he thinks it acceptable, I just do not get this. And yes I appreciate hormones are affecting me at the moment but this is precisely when you expect support but get same old shit.

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20shadesofgreen · 03/12/2020 14:37

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bakesgirls · 03/12/2020 14:42

@dottiedodah

Firstly for those who keep saying "dont have any more kids with him" Bit late now perhaps! Honestly what was he like first time round? Usually they start off OK, then gradually get worse!Sound like he has checked out of Family life right now doesnt it .For sure the only way forward is maybe to try Marriage Counselling maybe .He needs to see that you are a team that work together ,not Mr Im So Important and his "little " wife! You are working outside the home as well! Maybe you will have to consider your future together?
What do you mean it’s too late? Of course people are saying not to have anymore kids with him. She has 3 with him. That’s a fact. It’s done. But why would she go on to have 4 or 5 (and make her life more difficult) with someone who doesn’t care.
SleepingStandingUp · 03/12/2020 14:43

I've just said to my friend I think it's scarier raising boys than girls.

She has to raise her daughter to have personal boundaries and self respect. I have to raise (not middle class but still) white boys to not have a sense of entitlement because they have penis'. Not to women, not to a life of selfishness, not to a sense of superiority. But I don't know, maybe it is harder to raise women to expect more then to be treated like a commodity.

Op he was clearly a useless dick when you're older two were little, he's not going to suddenly change. So you either keep in doing the same thing and accept it, or do something different. Personally I think 3 kids is plenty and if ditch the 4th

AdventureCode · 03/12/2020 14:52

In sickness and in health...

OP i hope you see from the responses on here that you are worth so much more than putting up with this. He's clearly checked out.
When you're ready find a man that values you, not makes your life harder. This is so sad.

ravenmum · 03/12/2020 14:54

@20shadesofgreen

It really does seem from reading on MN that there are a lot of men out there who see their wives’ role as the support role for their lives rather than a relationship of equals. They do not view themselves as parents in the same way they view women as parents. These days they don’t even see themselves as having responsibility for meeting the financial obligations for the family so they can’t even be called traditional in that respect. It really is not in your husbands inters to see this for what it is so that is probably why he is dismissing you when you bring any of it up or what these men like to call “nagging”.
Sadly, I think many of them don't even see their wife or partner as supporting them. They see it as her bringing up the children she wanted, no more - hence their view that they are already being VERY kind by "letting" their wife work shorter hours (if she does), and that they certainly don't have to look after the kids she chose to have.
Pechanga · 03/12/2020 15:20

He is a selfish dickhead....but you knew this before you had a baby with him, didn't you?

Cutestbaby · 02/06/2021 09:16

I know that this thread is old, but I wanted to say thank you to those that responded with true and kind words.
Just to confirm yes all kids are his and he was OK to start with. Last baby was not planned but as it is also mine and not just his, I chose to have it, hindsight is a great thing but...

What I wanted to say that 6 month on I feel more like my old self and due to get back to work in September. And after considering my options I am also due to start divorce proceedings.
Time will tell what attitude he will have, but if he doesn't turn nasty, I should be able to stay in our home. Supported by my salary and whatever percentage that will come from him.
It might sound strange, but I am really looking forward to being by myself and independent. I think it took me a third child and writing my original post to actually see that there is very little point to him in my life. And that I actually don't even feel much for him either. Just love my kids ❤️

Thank you

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Arrivederla · 02/06/2021 09:21

Well done op - it sounds like you have made the right decision here. Be ready for him to turn nasty - men like this often do - but get good legal advice and stand your ground!
Flowers

OrchestraOfWankery · 02/06/2021 09:24

Great update!

BUT - act as if he WILL turn nasty (they usually do in divorce). Gather up all financial info and seek legal advice so you're very well informed, then he can't hide assets/spend them.

Prettybubblesintheair · 02/06/2021 09:28

That’s a brilliant update op well done! You absolutely should be looking forward to a new life without that useless sack of shite dragging you down. You’re life will be so much easier without him, yes you’ll be a single parent but you’ll be without the resentment of him doing absolutely bugger all which takes up so much head space. Good luck, I hope he is reasonable and you and your dc will be able to stay in your home.

AuntyFungal · 02/06/2021 09:34

It’s not normally toted on here but consider as part of the divorce/custody arrangements:

  1. financial support until end of uni.
Or, if you think he’ll mess about/hide earnings.
  1. 50:50 time split with the kids. This worked very well for a close friend. One week on, one week off. Each parent had a whole week of school runs plus a fun weekend with the kids. This will allow you to get back on your feet job wise. Perhaps a bit difficult with the baby, but workable (future?).
A bit difficult to stand in court and say, “no, I don’t want to be responsible for my kids”. Why should women have to shoulder the burden and hit to their financial security.
notapizzaeater · 02/06/2021 10:01

Presume he didn't change. Why are some men so bloody selfish ?

Does he know this is coming ? Have you got everything in order ready ?

Cutestbaby · 02/06/2021 14:45

Thank you all for the support. I am just getting everything in order. I told him that I don't want to live with him anymore but he just dismissed it by saying its my hormones, it's hard because I had a baby bla bla...So I don't believe he knows what is coming.

@AuntyFungal very good advice. I will definitely need to get a bit clued up on various matters, I will be looking through divorce threads for info.

But I do have a question that I am not sure if I can even ask a solicitor about (not sure if this will be classed as fraud)
We have outgoings account that we pay in every month for all of the bills. And I have my separate savings, he doesn't know how much is in there. Would this money have to be shared out too? And can I quickly move it possibly to my sisters or even to kids savings accounts, I'd rather they have it in the future ? Perhaps someone might know. And sorry if that sounds awful.

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cindarellasbelly · 02/06/2021 14:49

It is meant to be shared. Hiding it in your sisters account would be fraud, I don't know if putting it in your kids accounts would be 'allowed' - if its done far enough in advance of proceedings, it could be argued it was you saving money for the children, but I don't know if there are some accounts that he could still access so I'd want to look into that.

If you genuinely think he's likely to not want to contribute as he should to, say, future uni costs, then there's something to be said for putting money aside now, before you separate, that you know they'll have no matter what happens.

Cutestbaby · 02/06/2021 15:36

I just want ensure that my kids are provided for. Even now "kids expenses" such as childcare, clothing uniforms dinner money etc. are picked up by me and doesn't come out of joint outgoings (that account is just for the mortgage, food, insurances and other hh bills) So when it comes to something like driving lessons in a few years time, not sure how forthcoming he will be.
I will have to look into the option of sharing money between children's accounts then.

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pog100 · 02/06/2021 15:50

It should be declared as part of the assets of marriage but then so should any savings be has. Do you have a clear idea of what savings and pension he does have? If not I would use the time when he is unsuspecting of your intentions to get black and white evidence of them. From what you say they are likely to be much higher than yours, so if you both declare truthfully you will be better off.

Aprilwasverywet · 02/06/2021 15:53

Imo spend it on expensive items you can sell post divorce..
Sounds fair enough to me.

JungleIsMassive · 02/06/2021 15:54

@Cutestbaby

I just want ensure that my kids are provided for. Even now "kids expenses" such as childcare, clothing uniforms dinner money etc. are picked up by me and doesn't come out of joint outgoings (that account is just for the mortgage, food, insurances and other hh bills) So when it comes to something like driving lessons in a few years time, not sure how forthcoming he will be. I will have to look into the option of sharing money between children's accounts then.
I think this is the best option. Split the money equally between 3 accounts. All different names, equal money. That way it looks as though you were saving for the children. Make it a uniform amount too.

Even write a text to your sister or someone congratulating yourself on finally saving enough for the children's accounts.

Do it ASAP so it's not too close to divorce proceedings!

Good luck OP. Think of the freedom!

MustardRose · 02/06/2021 16:04

What savings accounts or investments (and pension) does he have?

Agree with a pp - transfer an equal sum into each child's savings account now. You could open children's ISA accounts or something like that.

Cutestbaby · 02/06/2021 20:51

He earns 10 percent more than I do, but whenever it comes to it he tells me he hasn't got any savings. That I find odd as he has more spare money, but does like spending on himself so not sure.
I probably sound incredibly stupid, but I had no idea pensions are also combined assets.

And I will most likely do a 3 way split between accounts. I actually kept meaning to open an account for the little one, so would be a good opportunity.
@Aprilwasverywet this wouldn't have even crossed my mind. But might upgrade my car too!

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Maxiedog123 · 03/06/2021 01:50

Are there any other expenses likely over the next couple of years you can prepay, eg car as suggested, schoolfees, appliances like fridge or washer likely to go?

updownroundandround · 03/06/2021 07:10

@Cutestbaby

Not written by me, but always appropriate :(

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

Maray1967 · 03/06/2021 13:20

Yes, move some money into kids accounts or labelled savings eg school uniform. If appropriate, buy some clothes for next stage up.

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