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Misplaced jealousy?

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knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 17:19

Hi all.
My BF and I don't live together yet (because of complicated DC and not wanting to blend families) Been together 6 years. We are each other's support bubbles.

As in my username, he has what I perceive to be a knight in shining armour complex. There is history...

When we met, we were both married to other people. I divorced first. We had the same group of friends, so still socialised in the same group.

After I was single, he became Mr Helpful. He used to call for friendly chats, bring me hand me downs of his DS's clothes for mine who is a year younger. He is quite good at DIY and would offer to do odd jobs for me. All very innocent. No flirting. No suggestion of anything more than friendship from either side.

He later divorced himself and we got together 2 years after that.

Throughout the first couple of years, he always seemed to have a female friend or two who needed some sort of support. He would be a caring shoulder to cry on, do odd jobs, be helpful... nothing every seemed untoward. Quite often these women were married and he never hid anything. I never distrusted him.

It went wrong one time when he had a female friend who was single and, as time went on, it became apparent that she thought there was more to this than he intended. I went round to his one day and she was there having coffee with him and she looked pretty shaken to see me. I told him them that it was dodgy and he needed to be careful that she wasn't getting the wrong idea.

One day he told me he had offered to take her out dancing one evening as she was lonely and wasn't dating anyone. I said that was a massive boundary cross and explained how that would look to her. I was livid he was asking another woman out on a date, but he said it was rubbish and she knew the score. He wanted her to have some company and a nice night out.

I explained that a single woman getting that level of friendship and support from a man is almost always going to wonder what more there is to it. He disagreed and said it was a sad fact that I thought that way about men and their motivations.

Eventually, inevitably, maybe, she propositioned him one day and he shut it down and said he was with me. (I saw the messages. She was really angry).

She then rather rapidly disappeared off the scene (probably because of how much she must have felt lead on). He was upset that he had lost a friend because she had read him all wrong (!)

I told him he had been an idiot and he finally agreed That I had been right all along He said he would be more aware from now on and keep his boundaries with women in check.

He also pointed out that he is very similar with male friends. He is a shoulder, a support, he helps with DIY, he doesn't see the difference, but now this had happened with this woman he could see that it really isn't the same with single women friends and can be read wrongly.

No further problems since... until now...

He is working away a lot at the moment and we are catching up on FaceTime. A couple of weeks ago, he told me he had spent an hour on the counselling a junior colleague who was having a hard time. It was fairly late in the evening and not work related. Knight in shining armour again... I told him to be careful...

Then a week ago, he told me she had a work problem in the office and he had sorted it for her. Again - he's her manager, so that's to be expected (nothing to see here...honestly...he said)

Last night, he called me and told me he had been round to fix her washing machine.

I am beyond pissed off.

Firstly, it's a bloody lockdown and why is he compromising our bubble by going into her house?

Secondly, what kind of work relationship involves going to someone's home to do odd jobs?

Thirdly, she is single. He is giving her lots of attention and we have talked about this before. Whatever he thinks is and isn't going on, she will probably think he's interested.

So I have reminded him of what happened the last time and how it spoiled a friendship because his friend got the wrong idea.

Am I being totally When Harry met Sally about this? I know that men and women can have platonic friendships. I have plenty myself, but I can't help thinking that whatever his intentions are here, it must look like something else to her - and I'm not comfortable with it. It's a boundary he crossed before and it ended badly.

He says I am taking a seed and making an oak tree. He says he is doing what he would do for anyone else (which is true).

Am I massively over reacting by being unhappy about this? He is being transparent. He always is, but part of me thinks this is a form of ego boosting/plan B ing - or at least doing a show of 'what a great guy I am' to another woman.

I don't want to make a thing out of it if it's just me being pathetic and over reacting.

Any thoughts?

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FippertyGibbett · 18/11/2020 17:22

No, you’re not overreacting. It would be a red flag for me 🚩
Always trust your gut.

Elvesinquarantine · 18/11/2020 17:25

Cheating aside what about covid??. Sadly his necessity for needing his ego stroking may lead to his penis getting a stroking...
Imo he needs dumping.

hustler2020 · 18/11/2020 17:29

no you're not over reacting
he's so totally wrong

ReneeRol · 18/11/2020 17:32

How you meet them is how you lose them. You knew what he was like when he was still married to his ex while lavishing attention on you. Now he has you, he needs another damsel in distress to lavish attention on.

He openly leads other women on because he wants to feel needed and loves the ego boost of making them fall for him. He's not stupid. He knows exactly what he's doing.

He enjoys the chase, the wooing, the gratitude from them, their reliance on him... He's never going to change. That's what he's dedicated his life to. It's never going to be a relationship of you and him. There'll always be another woman involved.

Whether or not anything happens will depend on whether he fancies her or decides she'll be an upgrade on you and prepared to put up with his behaviour.

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 17:48

Thank you all.

It is so true. He just makes it sound plausible, which is why I needed to hear from other people.

It's because he is right. It isn't just women. He spent hours a couple of weeks ago counselling a male friend in a bad situation.

He will drive hours to help out male friends too and spend whole weekends tiling friend's bathrooms for free.

Even that, though, causes me to question him (which is maybe why I feel like I'm being a bit of a cow). I wonder that his over helpfulness and self-sacrifice is a self-esteem issue. Like he only feels good about himself if he is completely putting himself out for other people.

The complicating factor is his refusal to accept that helping some mate of a job had an entirely different connotation from lavishing the same attention on a lonely, single woman.

It's not the same, is it? Is it?!

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knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 17:50

@Elvesinquarantine

Cheating aside what about covid??. Sadly his necessity for needing his ego stroking may lead to his penis getting a stroking... Imo he needs dumping.
Sadly; I am beginning to agree with this.
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youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/11/2020 18:02

So he doesn't think inviting a woman to go dancing with him when she's upset about being single is being more than a friend?

Either he genuinely doesn't see it which means he's unbelievably stupid.

Or he does see it (obviously) and just loves the attention and being 'such a nice guy'.

Amazing how often these guys who 'would do anything for anyone' don't seem to display that level of kindness to their actual partner when they're upset about the white knight's behaviour.

If someone is either so stupid or so selfish you have to tell them that inviting a woman who is lonely from a break up out dancing sounds like there's more to it than friendship, do you really want to be with them anyway?!

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 18:29

I feel like a doormat. The taking her out dancing thing was the only time I actually lost it.

Before then I would occasionally say 'be careful she's not getting the wrong idea'

There were others, but none seemed to cross the line to that extent. The rest was all easy enough to pass off as being helpful. I would sometimes ask 'is where no one else they can ask?'

This is the last time, though. This time he has been told and he can't claim he doesn't know what he's doing.

And then COVID gives me an extra reason to be actually angry.

At the very least, he's not seeing me for 2 weeks after being in someone else's house, which is no one's fault but his own. That may well become a permanent arrangement.

He can keep his little harem of adoring, grateful women and end up fucking lonely.

Clearly one, stable, secure and devoted woman is not enough for him.

I can do better, I think.

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ReneeRol · 18/11/2020 18:39

You can do better, you deserve someone who prioritises you and doesn't have an addiction to playing hero to other women, leading other women on and taking them out on dates because they're "lonely".

Leave him to his harem of desperates. You deserve better and you'll get it if you get rid of him and redraw your boundaries before getting into a new relationship. He doesn't deserve you. Find one who does. Find someone who makes you feel happy, loved and secure.

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 18:44

@ReneeRol

You can do better, you deserve someone who prioritises you and doesn't have an addiction to playing hero to other women, leading other women on and taking them out on dates because they're "lonely".

Leave him to his harem of desperates. You deserve better and you'll get it if you get rid of him and redraw your boundaries before getting into a new relationship. He doesn't deserve you. Find one who does. Find someone who makes you feel happy, loved and secure.

Thank you. That is really kind.
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MRC20 · 18/11/2020 18:50

No you're not overreacting. I don't believe he doesn't know exactly what he's doing either. I think he loves the attention and drama!

seensome · 18/11/2020 18:51

Maybe this is the reason why he got divorced? I think you've been too lenient on him, I think it's disrespectful of him to give so much attention to single female friends, time to move on...

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 18:56

Urgh. It's painful.

And I know the reaction will be that I'm massively over reacting, insecure and being ridiculous.

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knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 18:58

I think part of this is that I'm on MN a lot and so many threads where OPs talk about their DP's female friendships are full of posts saying 'it's controlling to object to friendships with other women'

So I was half expecting to be called controlling and over reacting.

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seensome · 18/11/2020 19:03

You're definitely not over reacting, it's multiple single women, some are even getting the wrong idea and taking a women out dancing because she hadn't got a date ffs, he was the date! If he wanted to cheat, it would have it so easy, he's brainwashed you just where he wants you and gaslight you if you query it.
I really hope it hasn't gone as far as cheating but it's too uncomfortable I really don't think many women would be happy in your situation.

ReneeRol · 18/11/2020 19:03

Don't give him the opportunity to gaslight or undermine you with accusations of insecurity. His behaviour wouldn't be tolerated by most women and it's making you feel terrible. His opinion on how you should accept his other women is irrelevant, of course he wants you to be his doormat.

Block him and say nothing. You aren't obliged to be a part of his drama. He doesn't deserve anything more from you. Not a word.

Onthedunes · 18/11/2020 19:36

You've joined the bottom of the list brigade !

He knows exactly what he's doing.

Male or female, you will continue to feel nelected, ignored and irrelavant.

Very lonely times ahead if you chose to stay with this breadcrumbing arsehole.

Find someone else.

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 20:02

@Onthedunes

You've joined the bottom of the list brigade !

He knows exactly what he's doing.

Male or female, you will continue to feel nelected, ignored and irrelavant.

Very lonely times ahead if you chose to stay with this breadcrumbing arsehole.

Find someone else.

Find someone else could be tricky.

I'm 42. 2 DC with 2 fathers. Way past my best. Really not the greatest catch in the world and all
The good ones seem to be taken.

Plus, after one crap man after another I've lost faith in the whole lot of them!

Maybe I'll just stay on my own from now on. Can't be any worse, can it?!

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TwentyViginti · 18/11/2020 20:06

No man is better than one who shoots off to service single women's plumbing every five minutes!

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 21:40

@TwentyViginti

No man is better than one who shoots off to service single women's plumbing every five minutes!
Grin
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Onthedunes · 18/11/2020 21:51

Op

42 is not old and I'm sure you have some wonderful attributes !

That's what attracted him...... and believe me these types of men who are so capable and available for others usually have someone very capable at home, to take the slack for them being so available for others.

Did that make sense? Confused

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 18/11/2020 23:06

@Onthedunes

Op

42 is not old and I'm sure you have some wonderful attributes !

That's what attracted him...... and believe me these types of men who are so capable and available for others usually have someone very capable at home, to take the slack for them being so available for others.

Did that make sense? Confused

Funny you should say that. It's something I have wondered about.

I am quite independent. I was divorced at 30. I bought my own home, did a Masters degree while working full time. I did some renovation on my house on my own (refitted the kitchen. Laid flooring. Nothing too technical, but all on my own). I got together with him because I wanted to, not because I needed someone.

Maybe he doesn't like it. Maybe he wants to prove that other women need him.

And that's what I struggle with. I don't want to be needed by anyone other than my children. I just want to be wanted.

Just thinking aloud...

He did once make an offhand comment about how I lack in jealousy and it makes him wonder whether I care.

My take on that was always 'I trust you. If you want someone else, you'll leave me for them. What good does jealousy do to anyone?'

Except I'm feeling pissed off and jealous now anyway, because I just think he keeps proving that I'm not enough and clearly other women are better - or why seek out their validation?

Bigger this backwards. I'm fed up now!

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Onthedunes · 19/11/2020 00:48

He's got the perfect excuss to 'help' others under a cloak of respectability.

Whatever these friendships are or will become are impossible for you to complain about.

He's a nice guy, everyone loves him, you become the moaning cow who doesn't want him to have friends or is jealous.

You can't win basically.

You will start to resent him and he too will resent you for not supporting his need to be liked and loved by everybody.

famousforwrongreason · 19/11/2020 02:15

Ugh. I came on to say what everyone else is saying. No adult man is that naive. He's having his cake and eating it. I split with my last bf partly because of this behaviour (with his ex girlfriend!)

knightinshiningarmourcomplex · 19/11/2020 04:11

I just wanted to thank everyone for your input. It makes me feel a whole lot less crazy.

There are so many lovely things about this man. He and I have so much in common. We never run out of things to talk about. We have the same sense of humour, the same outlook on most things. It has been, in the main, a really special relationship in my life.

But this is just too much now. I have always passed it off as what he needs to do to feel good about himself (as if my love is not enough to meet that need).

I have thought it was odd before. It's not always even about the risk of cheating. It's just a strange boundary crossing thing that he refuses to see.

When he bought his last house, he helped the last owner (a single woman in her 70s) pack and move - and then went on to taking her out for dinner every so often and meets up with her for coffee every wool often. He then painted rooms in her new house and did odd jobs for her at weekends.

She stopped that in the end because she met someone and obviously recognised that this was a bit strange and inappropriate.

He genuinely didn't think it was odd, he just thought he was being a good guy (are you seeing the theme?!). He didn't understand why she ended this totally innocent 'friendship'. I know he had no designs on her. That never seems to be what it's about. It's about being adored and appreciated and seen to be the most wonderful, giving human being.

But yes - selfishly - I've always wanted him being those things just for me to be enough.

It's clearly a big ego issue. Everyone must think he's wonderful. Everyone. Not just the woman who loves him and has chosen him.

I can't fix this need for validation on my own and I don't want to either.

I'm utterly sick of being told what an amazing catch he is and how lucky I am.

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