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Bad relationship patterns, anyone?

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Tiny2018 · 18/11/2020 13:10

Hi everyone. I am meant to be writing a uni assignment but I realised something last night that keeps creeping into my head and cannot fully concentrate. I would really appreciate some insight if anyone has a spare few minutes, regarding significant patterns within my past relationships. I am currently single and intend to stay for the forseeable future.
So the most obious reoccurring theme is cheating and exes. In the three long term relationships I have had, every man has still had something for his ex. My first long term he was 18, I was 16, he had split up with his ex two years previous. After around six months of being with him, I told him that I loved him and he quickly changed the subject. That night, I went round to his to watch DVDs and he had put up a framed photo of him and his ex at some kind of prom. He never mentioned it, I was devestated. Several weeks later, he went abroad with family, on his return, he admitted to chaeting on me while away.
the next was my daughters Father, we hit it off immediately, but he once got very drunk on a night out with friends and left me to walk home alone(we lived on a coastal static site, street lights were turned off during off peak season), so I asked him to sleep on the sofa that night as I was so upset. He started shouting for his ex (this was around a year into our relationship mind), kept repeating her name over and over, which confused and upset me. I also developed a sneaky suspicion that there was something going on with one of our co workers ( we worked together). After coming home after spending Christmas with my family in a different town, I received a call on my home phone from a woman telling me she had slept with him and was pregnant. Long story short, it was the co worker, he denied it the remaining four odd years we were together, finally admitted it voluntarily around two years after we split. The last was my most recent arsehole. Our relationship began what I believed to be soon after his split with his ex, however unbeknownst to both me and the ex, this wasn't the case. The first 6 months or so of our relationship, I could not shake the feeling that something was off. His phone was glued to him, and mutual friends had made small comments. He swore blind that there was nothing going on, but a few months in, I couldn't take the paranoia and insecurity anymore and broke up with him and went to stay in a different town for the weekend. We got to talking several weeks later and agreed to meet, had a lovely day out, but he had to tell me something before he went home. Yep, you guessed it, he'd slept with his ex the day after I had broken up with him. She just 'happened' to end up in the same pub as him that night. I messaged the ex several months later, who confirmed they had been messaging and sleeping together the whole time. He continued to deny everything and would to this day if I were to ask him. Even after his ex, he continued to tell me he would be in at a certain time and not answer my calls or texts, stroll in five hours later in the early hours of the morning, and I once found a womans number in his wallet, so it's safe to say he likely cheated with others too.
The interesting thing about all of these scenarios though is that how I responded to them and ultimately ended them all was almost identical. All three messed me around for the first few years, and I was utterly devestated. I had put so much effort in with them all, yet they all cheated and were transfixed on their exes. I carried the hurt with them all but carried on with the intention of forgiving them . Gradually, they all stopped behaving like arseholes and became devoted to me, wove me into their lives, the first seemed really happy living with me and the last two asked me to marry them. By the time they were all the perfect partner, I was emotionally pretty much gone. All the hurt and betrayal had exhausted me and damaged my trust so much that I fell out of love with them. They were all genuinely surprised and devestated when I left, though the third was intermittently physically abusive and had to be removed from my property, we are civil now.
Obviously I am no angel and have often acted as a lunatic would when faced with their admittances or proof of cheating. I have been made to feel like a paranoid fruitcake so many times, by so many men that on hearing it again, my blood has boiled- for example I kicked my ex in the leg when he told me he had spent the night with his ex after I broke up with him, which I am not proud of.
Info that may be relevent- my first ever boyfriend, I was 13 and he treated me appallingly. He would often shoot me at close range with his air gun, belitted me in front of others and appeared only interested in grabbing my arse all the time.
Home life/childhood- Bio Mum left when I was around 5, Dad and Nan (who died 5 years ago)raised me for a few years until The Wicked StepMother came along, who treated myself anf bio brother like something she stepped in- made us eat sour milk on cereal, made us sit in one corner of our bedroom at all times at home, request to go to the toilet, showered us through teen years etc.
Any theories, suggestions or advice for the future would be greatly appreciated, no matter how close to the bone. I do not wish to go through anything like this again.

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Tiny2018 · 18/11/2020 13:41

Apologies for the lack of paragraphs and any spelling mistakes, I was concentrating a little too much on getting the words down, and typing it brought up all manner of emotions.

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StormOfSekhmet · 18/11/2020 15:01

Watching this with interest, I feel very sad reading what you have gone through. I have a similar problem. Every boyfriend has had addiction issues, and has a cold/dismissive personality. Wish I could give you an answer!!

kennelmaid · 18/11/2020 15:14

I think lots and lots of women have had similar experiences with men in their lives. I know I have. I can't offer any constructive advice, because I've never really sorted out my own attitude to relationships. I just wanted to let you know you're not alone.

Bunnymumy · 18/11/2020 16:29

Sorry to hear you've had such a tough time op. Do you and your brother ever talk about your childhood? Do you think it might be affecting your self esteem?

It's hard to know if there were red flags in your exs you could have spotted early on (narcissistic behaviour in general ect) Coldness ect...? But I think it's always a good rule of thumb to avoid men who seem hung up on an ex. Or who make you feel like you are just an option thet are setting for.

In the early days of things especially, dont be so quick to forgive betrayal. And remember that you deserve to be with someone who cares about your feelings just as much as you care about theirs.

Tiny2018 · 18/11/2020 17:48

storm of sekhmet, kennelmaid, as much as I wouldn't wish suffering on anyone, it is noce to know I'm not alone. I wonder what it is that attracts us to these types of men? Most of my female friends are take-no-shit-types, and though have have the odd bad relationship in their younger years, they have ended up with respectful, faithful men, who really appreciate them and their contributions to the relationhip, I always feel like I'm being taken advantage of /used in some way and end up resentful.
I go into relationships with so much to give, such high hopes, I suppose with rose tinted glasses on, but ultimately end up getting hurt. Although I'm quite fiesty in nature, I am quite sensitive underneath it all, so the pain often cuts deep prevents me from functioning well.
Bunymumy, my brother moved away from our home county years ago, as he was tired of being used as the family scapegoat, so we do not see each other at all these days. We occasionally speak on messenger though, while I had a binge drinking problem, I would often ring him and try and discuss it, but he often wouldn't say much to it all. I know through a mutual friend that he has attempted suicide at least twice, and our birth Mum mentioned that he's in counselling due to depression now, so clearly had long term effects.
I wouldn't say red flags as such, but my friends all could'nt stand my daughters Dad, they all saw him as a bullshitter. They also couldn't understand what I saw in my last ex, as he is well known for being aggressive and a bit of a fighter up until his mid twenties. He was raised by a family whose family dynamics and attitudes are similar to that of Gypsy Travellers. I am by comparison, known to be a bit hippy like, free spirited kind of person, probably somewhat of an empath so certainly whilst younger, didn't really judge people on things like their attitudes towards others.
I'm not sure I always forgave so easily the oldeer I got, so it is likely that unresolved resentment festerd over time and poisoned these relationships, though I feel certainly the first two, I eventually just became apathetic really.
In terms of exes, as I said, ones ex was two years before we got together, so plenty of time had passed. I honestly think men take longer to get over relationships though, due to fewer emotional supports after the ending. I think they move on quicker in practice, but not always fully emotionally. My best friends Dad still pines for her Mum 20 years on for example. As I said, they eventually seem to move on from the ex, and realise what they have with me, but by this time, I'm emotionally less invested and wondering why I wasn't enough. It's almost as if my unconditional love has helped them to heal and eventually realise it's me they want, but not before a shit ton of damage has been done to my self esteem. Either that, or they just see me as a plain old doormat, though I am less inclined to believe this to be the case as they were all gutted when I left. First one I heard went into a depression and lost his job after leaving the fryers on overnight (he was a chef), second, the day I told him I no longer loved him, asked what he could do to change my mind, and continued trying for another 6 months (ironically I can only assume behind his at the time partners back) and the third tried to make it work with me for years, would have followed me to the ends of the earth if I asked him to, though we were massively incompatible and his families legacy surrounding women as non equals, physical abuse.

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Tiny2018 · 18/11/2020 17:53

To add, I wouldn't say Narcissistic, but certainly the last two had fragile egos.

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StormOfSekhmet · 18/11/2020 18:19

Put me in a room with a 1000 men, and one thats cold/dismissive/addiction problems, I would gravitate towards that one. Other Women have different warning systems, and pick up and weed out men with bad issues, much earlier on. (I notice, but don't do anything about it)My Father and Stepfather were very cold/dismissive personalities, and my Father had addiction problems. You most definitely are not alone, It's a common problem as someone else said!! Its so frustrating when it feels like some kind of relationship ground-hog day. I know lots of Women who refuse any relationship with men, as they have had enough. Wonder if a relationship coach would help? There must be an answer to this!!

Tiny2018 · 18/11/2020 19:32

Stormofsekhmet, thank you for your thoughtful response, and it is great that you have recognised your own patterns.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not massively concerned as I am really enjoying my own (and my kids) company of late, so am in no rush. I do honestly feel that the rose tinted glasses are now off, and I am willing to accept no more poor treatment-in fact I would imagine I am likely to be hyper vigilant to it. I feel that as long as I can build a life without a man, then I do not need one to complete it and am therefore less likely to accept shit in the future. I think in the past I couldn't imagine not being with these men, because I loved them so much, so I feel it important in future to take things slow, and really get to know someone before allowing feelings to develop-though I feel I will find this difficult as I form attachments quite quickly.

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StormOfSekhmet · 18/11/2020 19:45

That sounds like a very sensible attitude, and I wish you all the best.

category12 · 18/11/2020 19:48

It seems to me that you accepted being second-best and have tolerated some really shit behaviour from the off, that you never should have. Your boundaries in relationships have been skewed by your upbringing.

The shark cage analogy might be useful for you.

widespreadpanic · 19/11/2020 00:06

I have no advice but you’re not alone. Every man I’ve fallen in love with has cheated on me resulting in me being devastated for a very long time. Yet the ones that really like me I find not to have any chemistry with even after trying to make it work. I’ve given up dating since I’m almost 50 I feel like it’s pointless at this age.

LilyWater · 19/11/2020 10:35

A lot of this stuff is rooted in childhood. How did your parents role model relationships when you were growing up. Best thing is to go for long term counselling (with a proper counsellor) before embarking on any other relationships or you will just keep on repeating the same pattern.

Tiny2018 · 19/11/2020 18:09

Caregory 12, Thanks for the Shark Cage Article, I have had a good read of it and much of the second persons behaviour is similar to my own.
You're also right that I have accepted second best. Not only that, but actively tried to get them to prefer/pick me. I realise now how pathetic this is. Thank you so much for your insight.
Widespreadpanic, I am so sorry to hear you've been hurt so much. I am the same in terms of chemistry-it's as if I am not attracted to them unless there is some type of issue with them/between us. Perhaps unconsciously setting myself the challenge of getting them to love me. I can only assume I am replaying childhood trauma, whereby if I am a 'good girl', I will be loved in return.
It's a shame you've given up, you deserve a love that is reciprocated:(

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Civilhelp · 19/11/2020 18:18

I could have written something like this . For the past ten years every man I’ve been with bar 1 has not really liked me . They have made it abundantly clear that they find other women much more attractive .

I’ve also chased men who would not give me a second of their time but would take other women out and treat them like goddesses.

It comes down to and luck and poor self esteem .
I wish you good luck op , you have stuck with these men too long . It’s not your fault they are like that . You deserve better .

Civilhelp · 19/11/2020 18:21

Bad*

Tiny2018 · 20/11/2020 18:37

Civilhelp Thank you. Sounds like you deserve better too. I think we definately need to raise our standards.

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category12 · 20/11/2020 19:04

I'm glad you thought the Shark cage analogy was interesting.

I think it's the early stages - I remember with my ex, like you, I put up with a ton of crap, and I just persisted and persisted and we developed into this probably co-dependent marriage where eventually he wore my love out. Of course the guys are surprised when you turn round and dump them (mine was! Grin) - all along we gave this impression that whatever he did we'd stick around (no matter how much screaming and crying there may have been). Mine said "but you were my rock!"

I think it's sort of trying to get them to love you or be dependent on you. Tbh, it looks sort as if when you feel you've achieved that, you lose interest?

I think you probably need to do therapy and learn to have really good boundaries from the start, so you'd never have wasted so much time on these guys in the first place, but got rid of them the first time they fucked you over. It's a bit of a long road to unlearn your behaviours, reset boundaries and put proper value on yourself but otherwise you just keep doing the same sorts of things.

thefreshprincess · 20/11/2020 22:10

This has been a good time for reflection and knowing what I am going to do differently when it is easier to date.

It sounds like you have been doing some reflection as well OP.

My patten has recently been:

Going on lots of dates. Finally finding someone I really like who seems to be interested. I then get too emotionally involved too soon and don't have boundaries. I give too much and don't get anything back. I end up getting dumped after about a month. I then get hurt and upset.

So next time round I'm taking it slow and I'm going to have boundaries.

Good luck with everything OP Daffodil

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