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Rift between long term partner and my parents

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beammeupsc0tty · 13/11/2020 10:43

Almost a year ago now there was an argument that happened between my parents and my long term partner (20 years) that has still not been resolved and I have no idea what to do, I can't believe i've even found myself in this situation. Apologies this will be a long thread to explain.

Basically I was due to give birth and my parents had come to stay in the run up to my due date, this was so that they could look after my eldest child when I went into Labour. (Both our families live in Scotland and we live down south in Surrey so they are a flight away.)

While they were here my dad seemed very stressed and when I questioned it my mum just said it was him worrying about me and maybe they shouldn't have come down. To be honest they were kind of being annoying going on about how stressed they were when i was massively pregnant and relying on them to help me out, but I ignored it as they seem to always be a bit stressy anyway when I see them and I just put it down to old age / becoming a bit grumpy. My dad also was going teetotal to ensure he was able to help drive me to hospital if need be when the time came and he made it known he was really missing a beer (they are overly social drinkers in my opinion but i've given up lecturing them about it). Anyway when it came to the weekend I said why don't you both go to the pub for a couple to the local pub in the hope that it would chill them out a bit and this is where it all went a bit pear shaped.

They came back from the pub only a couple of hours later but seemed hammered, not sure if it was because they hadn't ate. Over the course of the evening my parents did seem to keep making digs to get at my OH, silly things but sort of sideways remarks, annoying but nothing to fall out about. When we sat down in the evening they are still having a drink and are quite drunk at this point (obviously me and OH are sober). The argument started over some silly political argument over pension age for women whereby my dad was arguing one point of view and my OH the other. It escalated out of nowhere with my dad saying well when you get to xx age then we'll see and my OH replying, I probably wont make it that long (he was trying to joke a bit to take the edge off). My dad then said 'well I f*cking hope you dont!' and repeated this a couple of times. Its at this point my partner lost his temper and said 'talk to me like that again and you can leave my house' and stormed out of the room and went upstairs after my dad kept going on about it and made a comment to my dad he has to watch his drink.

upsetting as all of the above is, I feel we could have got over it however what happened in the fallout made things 1000 times worse. Now remember i'm a huge pregnant woman with loads of hormones at this point, my OH refused to come back downstairs claiming they were too drunk to reason with and my dad shouldnt have spoke to him like that. I then go downstairs to say maybe we should all just go to bed and its at this point my mum and dad really let loose.

They started saying my OH is an arsehole, that I must lead a miserable life with him. That they couldn't believe that I had decided to have another baby with him?! My mum said she couldn't believe I could possibly be happy with him and that she was dissappointed in the person I had chose. To be honest it was mostly my mum and this is the part that really hurts as we were so close.

Now to be clear, I didnt think they loved him but this completely blindsided me because he's done literally nothing to deserve any of this. Maybe he's a bit of a grump when they are around and doesnt show his best side but its seriously nothing worth the things they were calling him. In all the time that I've reflected on it over the last year the only thing I can think of is we do biccer in front of them and perhaps I did over share a bit too much with my mum in terms of moaning about him over things. Other than that it's totally not warranted, my OH does LOADS around the house, ironing, dinners, washing up etc. He also does loads of nice little things for me. I just thought they had personality mismatch but thats it.

Sorry this is becoming a bit of a novel to explain!
Anyway after they said all these horrible things about him I told them enough is enough they can stop talking about him like that. They said they may have to go home and started looking at flights and I just said do what you have to do not thinking they would actually do it.
Next day they flew home and I had to scramble at the last minute to get OH's mother to fly down instead to help.

Since this time they have made attempts to apologise to us both (over email) and I have been speaking to them but my partner point blank refuses to. I didnt tell him everything they said but I did tell him a bit because he couldn't understand why I was so upset with them and was also shocked they had left. He feels they have known him for 20 years and can't believe they have done this, he went as far to say he tried to take his family away from him. The thing is prior to this they would often come stay (at least 3 times a year) and we would go stay with them on holiday as they have a house in spain. Looking back it all feels like it was fake and actually they were just enduring having us stay.

To this day I've never had a full conversation going over it with them, its only ever been talked about on email. I know this is bad but I just can't face bringing it up as the heartache is painful. Everthing said that night upsets ME not just my OH. It hurts that they had all these views and that they feel I've got such poor judgement. I still can't stop thinking about it on a daily basis, I just wish I could be free and happy again. I also don't really speak to my partner about it because when I do he makes it abundantly clear he wants nothing to do with them which is tricky because I can't easily go see them by myself with the kids as we live too far away.

They did come visit right before the first lockdown but they stayed in a hotel and were only here for a couple of days and only I and the kids went and met up with them. They questioned it as if why hasn't OH forgiven them but I feel it's irreversible.

Even just the other day my dad's going on about post-covid he cant wait for the kids to come out and visit them in Spain like we used to but that was before all of this happened. I can never see that happening again as a family, I'd have to take the kids myself and even then I don't know if I would want to because of this massive elephant in the room as to why OH isn't there. My eldest has no clue any of this is going on (he's only 5 and we just made excuses).

On one hand I'm like how can you just expect everything to be normal, it's never going to be normal again. On the other hand I can't help but wonder if I'm being too considerate of OH and he should just be willing to put it all in the past. I literally dont know what to do, it's almost 1 year on and I still feel hurt from it and I'm still dealing with it. How could they do that to me at the worst possible time right before I gave birth? I can tell you I was in constant tears before my baby was born but once he was born I talked to them just because up to this point they had been amazing parents my whole life. I know I can't keep brushing this under the rug but I literally dont know where to go from here.

If you have read this long I thank you, I tried to make it short but It's so hard.

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FannysSteadiedBuffs · 13/11/2020 10:50

They were drunk. They probably can't remember all that they said, all the nastiness and venom. They will also have taken the opportunity to rewrite history like it was your husband's fault they stomped off and weren't there for the birth of your baby.

If they've convinced themselves they did nothing wrong, then nothing will change.

How close are they to your in laws? Is the heavy drinking new?

TeaStory · 13/11/2020 10:51

I’m sorry, this is incredibly hard on you.

I have a lot of sympathy for you but also for your partner. Your parents hate him and apparently always have. I wouldn’t want to spend time with people who hate me and wish me an early death. By the sounds of it your parents are sorry they said it, they haven’t denied feeling that way.

beammeupsc0tty · 13/11/2020 12:16

FannysSteadiedBuffs -

I think you are right they've re-wrote it in their mind and I dont think they have any idea how much they've upset me for the long term. I wish I could just forget about it but even if OH was ok I feel I'd always be walking on eggshells around them if they were both present just waiting for it blow up. I know at some point I will have to have a heart to heart with them but I just don't want to end up in the middle and having to defend OH again. I don't know when will be the right time, I was hoping it would hurt less by now and I'd be able to do it.

I wish words were just words but unfortunately some things you just can't take back. My in laws live relatively close to my parents (we were childhood sweethearts so grew up in same town before moving down south together). My mother in law knows a fair bit of what happened because obviously we had to get her down at the last minute and there was no making excuses as it was so obvious something drastic had happened (i.e why had my mum and dad suddenly gone home when their grandchild was about to be born!). She isn't happy and doesn't really want to see them either and I can't blame her I'd be the same if it was my son.

The drinking thing, to be honest its probably only happened since retirement and because they have house in Spain, bit of an expat lifestyle thing. My dad if left to own devices would always have a few beers starting from around 4pm, then probably a whisky taken up to bed with a crossword book. I personally find that too much every single night, but I've been made to feel like a spoilsport / fuddy duddy when pointing it out. Especially since he's had previous heart attacks and really shouldn't but I had to give up lecturing as I noticed he would just hide it. They are not having booze at 10am or anything but I'd say its still excessive.

On the drinking, they acknowledged it in their apology email but i'd be stunned if it changed in reality.

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beammeupsc0tty · 13/11/2020 12:20

TeaStory -
They said that they didn't mean the things they said but how can that be? Its not exactly something you say out of nowhere. It's obvious thats how they really feel and my partner isn't stupid he knows that.

You can't just say deplorable things and expect it to be oh sorry didnt really mean it can you?!

I could understand if he'd been abusive or cheated or something but it literally has no basis. When they said it I immediately questioned what was so bad about him, what had he done? My dad's answer was silly things like watching TV downstairs at night laughing away while I'm up in bed asleep struggling with being heavily pregnant - really? thats it?!! I feel like they are deluded!

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HopeAndDriftWood · 13/11/2020 12:25

Your parents hate him and apparently always have

This. From what you’ve said, your partner hasn’t stopped you or the kids from seeing them, he just doesn’t join you. I think that’s fair enough, I wouldn’t either. I know it’s not the family occasions you wanted, but I think it’s unrealistic to expect him to forget that your parents have always hated him and think you chose the wrong partner.

PiperPiper20 · 13/11/2020 12:25

It's called confirmation bias - google it. When people remember events differently depending on their point of view.

Your parents probably remember it as them getting a bit tipsy and saying a few things they didn't really mean.

I don't think I could get past it OP. Not without some sincere apologising from your parents to your OH. And even then I'm not sure he should forgive it easily. They're pretty awful things to say.

Morporkia · 13/11/2020 12:30

I would be fuming they had left the next morning knowing that you were relying on them to be there for your oldest when you went into labour. I would also be questioning why they thought going out and getting so drunk they can’t remember what they said, when you were obviously so close to giving birth. Tbh they sound self centred and I would be going very low contact, if any

HollowTalk · 13/11/2020 12:31

Your parents behaved appallingly. I can't believe they left you in the lurch by going back home, just when you needed them. I think drinking is a bigger problem for them than they'll ever admit - I think they were uncomfortable as you two weren't drinking - people seem to assume judgement is being passed then.

They need to sincerely apologise to your husband and to you. Their behaviour could have led to PND. What if your MIL couldn't come? They really landed you in a bad position and then to say that about your husband dying on top of things is just the bloody limit.

VioletSunset · 13/11/2020 12:40

I am with your husband on this one. They got pissed, disrespected your husband in his own home for no reason, and then flew home in a strop knowing it would leave you up shit creek. Surely any decent person would put their differences aside so they could stay and help their daughter and new grandchild? Even if your husband was the things they claim he is, they could have tried to make a nice atmosphere and still tried to help you.

DreadingSeason2020sFinale · 13/11/2020 12:54

There is nothing more pathetic and unattractive to grown adults who can't go a few days without socially drinking or people who when they do drink, won't control themselves and turn into argumentative gobshites.

And I don't mean alcoholics.

I really don't see this resolving. Your parents were bang out of order and I can't see you DH having the need or even wanting to make up. He doesn't need to see these people. It's a shame for you to not be able to go visit them but they can come to a hotel near you like they did before.

YoniAndGuy · 13/11/2020 14:29

Imagine it was the other way around, and your inlaws had let you know utterly venomously how they'd always hated you.

Could you get past it and play happy families? Of course you couldn't.

It's to your DH's credit that he can put things aside enough to be ok with his children having a relationship with them - the three of you without him going to meet them and have happy family time. Again, imagine how you'd feel if you were asked if he could take your children for MIL to play granny with if she'd told you that she hoped you died. Jesus.

And others are right, your parents didn't just act appallingly to him... they also shat all over you - at the time you totally needed them most. So it's a bit grim hearing what wonderful parents they've always been... sorry, no, they really really aren't. When things got tough, their first thought was their own spiteful selves and acting to hurt you. Good parents would have stayed, because the reason they were there was because you needed them. I can't imagine the awful stress they caused with that and how that must have impacted on the birth stuff. Awful. Just awful. No good loving parent could do that.

So I am firmly on your DH's side here. This isn't bearing a grudge, is it? There is no 'putting things in the past' when the problem is that your DH now thinks, with damn good reason, that your parents are nasty pieces of work and he'd rather not be around them or really have them in his family. He has every right to think that and the bottom line is, your loyalties lie with him.

I think I would just focus on the fact that you are lucky that he is ok with you taking your kids to meet with them and leave it. He is right, you know. They are not nice and I wouldn't want them around me.

MsTSwift · 13/11/2020 14:36

How awful and upsetting. Agree with PP they behaved appallingly. The only way to “come back” from their behaviour would be a genuine and properly meant apology and even then it would be difficult.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/11/2020 14:39

What YoniandGuy wrote.

Stop having heart to heart chats with your parents; it does not work and in doing so you are basically further tying yourself up in knots to appease and or please them. People from dysfunctional families like your own family of origin end up playing roles; what roles are you playing out?.

Your parents are as bad as each other and enable each other to be so. They gave you a non apology and your dad in particular has a long standing alcohol dependency problem.

Do you really want your children to have a relationship with them, I would think again also because your own relationship with them is not healthy either. It seems to be built on you still wanting their approval and appeasement from you. Who do you loyalties lie with; is it with your partner here or your parents?. You may well want to read "Toxic Parents" by Susan Forward; there is a section in there too about alcoholic parents.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/11/2020 14:42

Re your comment:-

"The drinking thing, to be honest its probably only happened since retirement and because they have house in Spain, bit of an expat lifestyle thing. My dad if left to own devices would always have a few beers starting from around 4pm, then probably a whisky taken up to bed with a crossword book".

Its not an expat lifestyle thing; its you trying to put a gloss on it. What is the earliest you can remember of him doing this; this has likely been going on for years. You perhaps saw him doing this during your own childhood.

picklemewalnuts · 13/11/2020 14:44

"Mum, Dad, you mentioned holidaying together in Spain. We'd all have to be getting on much better before we'd consider that. Last time you stayed with us, you said that you hate DP and always have, that we should never have had DC2, and flew back home leaving us totally in the lurch when I could have gone into Labour at any point. It's made the time I spend with you uncomfortable, and it will be a long time before our relationship recovers enough to be thinking of holidaying together."

PiperPiper20 · 13/11/2020 14:49

@picklemewalnuts

"Mum, Dad, you mentioned holidaying together in Spain. We'd all have to be getting on much better before we'd consider that. Last time you stayed with us, you said that you hate DP and always have, that we should never have had DC2, and flew back home leaving us totally in the lurch when I could have gone into Labour at any point. It's made the time I spend with you uncomfortable, and it will be a long time before our relationship recovers enough to be thinking of holidaying together."
Perfect message.
AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/11/2020 14:55

This is a great message but equally no response is a powerful response.

Besides which do you really want for your kids to also see their grandad start hitting the booze at 4pm like he has done previously?.

billy1966 · 13/11/2020 15:05

@picklemewalnuts

"Mum, Dad, you mentioned holidaying together in Spain. We'd all have to be getting on much better before we'd consider that. Last time you stayed with us, you said that you hate DP and always have, that we should never have had DC2, and flew back home leaving us totally in the lurch when I could have gone into Labour at any point. It's made the time I spend with you uncomfortable, and it will be a long time before our relationship recovers enough to be thinking of holidaying together."
This would be a good starting point.

@YoniAndGuy
Agree completely.

OP,
I feel very sorry for you...but

If you genuinely love your partner and he is a good man and father, I would tread with extreme care.

Your parents behaviour was truly shocking.

The sound like really rough drunks.

Would YOU be happy for him to skip off to spain, with your two children if his parents had behaved similarly?

I think they were vicious.
To up and go the following morning leaving you in the lurch like that is just appalling.

I think by being in contact the past year has sent out a message that whilst they were a little out of order, it's really not such a big deal.

If your partner's family behaved like that and he carried on seeing them I would call it a deal breaker.

You need to look to your own behaviour during the past year.

Loyalty is very important in a relationship.

I don't think you have been loyal enough.

Tread with care OP.
Flowers

MrsGrindah · 13/11/2020 15:07

Huge sympathies OP because you are literally stuck in the middle. Even the sensible suggestions of other posters put you at the heart of the solution/ next step and it’s really not fair that you are in that position. However I think you only realistically have two options:

  1. Support your husband and have nothing more to do with them
  2. Tell them you agree with your husbands stance so won’t be encouraging any reconciliation etc. so they’ll have to accept a different relationship with you from now on. Sadly this involves no more family holidays etc. but you will continue to speak to them , see them on their own etc.

Personally, I couldn’t do 1 but many would.

VettiyaIruken · 13/11/2020 15:15

Sounds like they resented helping you in the first place and really didn't want to, add booze on top and bang. Tantrum.

Sometimes, people say or do something so awful that there just isn't any coming back from it. I think this is one of those times.

FixItUpChappie · 13/11/2020 15:37

They were completely in the wrong and their behavior appalling. That said, I don't agree with other posters that you should cut them out of your lives as a show of loyalty/solidarity.

You've already said they have been "amazing parents" otherwise your entire life. You don't just throw that away. They made a mistake, they were wrong. They need to apologize to you and your partner in a meaningful way. They need to be told how far over the line they were. There should be some plain spoken conversation about their drinking and for expectations moving forward. They shouldn't be irredeemable though. They are your family, you love them. They are your children's grandparents. Its worth the effort to mend things. Your OH doesn't have to love them, nor they him but they should be civil to one another - because both sides love you. That is a kind of relationship loyalty too IMO.

Just my own opinion.

waitingforadulthood · 13/11/2020 17:00

Something similar happened to me op. My parents (who I do love and used to like immensely) revealed that they think very little of my dh. There was no confrontation or argument, but I've not been able to recover the relationship I had with them before I knew. We used to go for meals and drinks as a family, dh joined my dads rugby club and became a commuter member alongside him, we went on holidays and they were there for the birth of my eldest daughter. Then this came out, that they don't really like him and tolerate him for my sake, they thought I'd wasted my chance and children could have a better dad.

It's never ever been the same. I have lost respect for them. I can't trust them like I could (I feel that whenever I'd used them as support on times of marital strife- they'd used that as ammo against me/ in their justification of their character assination of my darling husband) and I feel betrayed. I have to smile and fake it with my sisters husband who is foul, my best friends wife seems a tit too, and why my auntie stayed with uncle sleazy cheater I cannot fathom- but because I love the people in those relationships I keep schtum. They haven't asked my opinion and I value their opinion enough to respect their choices and make the effort. For them. My own parents couldn't do that for me.

I don't have answers op but I completely understand why it's eating you up. It took a few years for me to not think about it every time I spoke to my parents Sad

Aquamarine1029 · 13/11/2020 17:10

Your parents are absolutely horrible.

You need to forget about your partner ever seeing or speaking to them again because it will never happen. I support his decision, too.

AgentJohnson · 14/11/2020 16:41

What can you do? Absolutely nothing, it’s not your argument to resolve. Stop putting yourself in the middle, you can not force your partner to have a relationship with your parents.

If you want to maintain a relationship with your parents, you must accept them for who they are and unfortunately, their behaviour of last year is part of their total picture.

For what it’s worth, I think their character assassination of your partner was the perfect storm. Resentment of temporary sobriety met drunkenness, years of hearing the negatives from you, petty disagreement and embarrassment of their own behaviour.

beammeupsc0tty · 15/11/2020 15:09

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for your comments. I really have been tying myself in knots over this and it's been eating me up inside. I think like waitingforadulthood has said, the hardest thing is knowing it can never be the same again, I'm kind of mourning for the relationship we used to have.

I think not talking about it with them and properly telling them how much it hurt hasn't helped. One one hand I feel I need to do that and on the other hand I keep thinking what's the point of bringing it all up again.

I really do appreciate each and every reply because I need to gather independent opinions on this because everyone close to me is too involved. Thanks again for all input.

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