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Need advice on managing NC with my mother. Thanks

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RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 07:11

I've been NC with my mother for nearly a decade.

It followed a lifetime of emotional abuse and failing to act to protect me from physical and sexual abuse.

I have 2 children. One is now a teen and the other an adult. As her behaviour became increasingly erratic, and she began to say things to my children that I recognised from my own childhood, I severely limited contact between them. Neither child was ever on their own with her. Even phone calls were supervised and were often cut short when her communication with the eldest (youngest was too young) became inappropriate. I didnt really understand about going NC at the time - it didn't occur to me as an option so I just managed it as best I could.

I finally went NC with her after making an enquiry under the child sex offender's disclosure scheme and discovering that her partner had 2 convictions. The police and LA authority were involved and it was determined that we should cease contact with both of them.

I am unable to talk about this with anyone. No one else knows. She has been able to lie about the reasons for the NC with impunity and paints me as a mentally and emotionally disturbed person. I have lost people from my life who were like family growing up because they sided with her in the absence of any other evidence. I have no family other than my children and a brother who is also NC.

I would, at some point, like to be able to be honest with people. At the moment, I have to be vague and cryptic and lie about my reasons for being NC with her which makes it sound as though I might be a factor in it - surely I'd be honest if I were not to blame at all?

Anyway. The law only protects this secret whilst her partner is living. He will be in his mid 70s now. They are still together.

I have one fb friend from the past. His mother is my mum's best friend and he was like a cousin growing up but, other than liking the occasional photo and 2 or 3 messages over the years, i haven't seen him for 20+ years.

His family knew of the abuse growing up but probably not the extent of it. His parents once told me that I knew where they were should never need them and wee a great support during my teenage years. But life moves on, they are also in their 70s now, believe my mother's version of events and I have no way of setting them or anyone else straight. Two of my relatives have also died in the interim and went to their graves believing the worst of me.

Over the past few months, I have been considering speaking with the man who is my mother's best friend's son. I don't want to involve him as such but I rally want to know when mother's partner has died so that I no longer have to live a horrible, damaging lie. I've been considering just saying to him that i don't want to involve him but would he just let me know if/when he has died so that i can begin to live a more authentic life and put right some of the past wrongs.

I'd really like some advice on this.

I'm aware there will be those who say I should let sleeping dogs lie but the abuse has lasted my entire life and still continues. It won't end until I can finally be honest.

Thank you

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RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 18:15

I just want to be able to live an authentic life.

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RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 18:18

Sorry, I was a teenager when she took me to therapy.

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Elvesinquarantine · 13/11/2020 18:22

Not the same but my exh convinced people he is the nice one and I am the abusive /one with mh issues.
Now our dc are nc with him. And I don't care about what others think..
Living my best life is my revenge and coping strategy..
If you get asked suggest people don't really know your dm at all and leave it at that.
When my exh dies I will be truly free.
And will be raising a glass to that.
Bide your time op.
Your freedom will happen.
Your dc will be a great support ime.

RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 18:25

Put it like this. I became a single parent when my son was born (his father had an affair and impregnated another woman).

She went to the doctors and was signed off work for 6 weeks with stress and in order to allow her to support me. She had told the doctor that I needed her and wouldnt be able to cope without her.

I know this because she told me. Yet I didnt see her the entire time. She said it was because she couldn't cope with the demands i was placing on her and the fact she had to do everything for me. Yet she never so much aside me a cup or tea or changed a nappy the entire time my son was an infant. And I didnt see her for the entire duration of the 6 weeks she was supposedly off work rescuing me.

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RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 18:27

Elvesinquarantine

Thank you for understanding.

Without trying to 'story top'you, I think I'd be able to cope better if it had been an ex. But this is my mother. The person who brought me into this world and used me as her 'whipping boy' for nearly 40 years.

I have no 'before the abuse' because it was my whole life.

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MinxyMay · 13/11/2020 18:31

Yes I do get your frustration.

But unfortunately this is part of life. We cannot control what others think of us, ultimately, or who they believe in such family struggles and smears. I’ve had horrible shit said and written about me, I fought it, as they were lies, but really the fact is we are limited to our effect. Even if we do our best to minimise it, which I think is what you are seeking to do and your dilemma. But if the people who matter around don’t get “it” by now, it will be a long time coming, and not all that much you can do in the meantime except live your life. The truth often does out eventually in families btw, but of course not aleays

Elvesinquarantine · 13/11/2020 18:33

I have been nc with my dm for best part of 20 years. My adult dc chose not to see her either. I made the same choice for my young dc. I simply told them sometimes people aren't who we think /want them to be.
Haven't seen her since 2012.
And bar a year or so then for 10 years before that. Not even a phone call.

picklemewalnuts · 13/11/2020 18:45

I understand your frustration. My mum is similar- though not to that degree. It's hard to sit in a group of people, hearing her twist the truth and them appear to buy in to everything she says.

My life is at a distance. It's doesn't really matter. I am able to be honest with the people I value.

Can you open a conversation with the people you care about saying something along the lines of

"I've been unable to stay in touch because the dynamic with my mother and stepfather is so difficult. I do regret losing contact with everyone, but the things she was saying about me made it impossible. Hopefully one day people will know what really happened."

Darker · 13/11/2020 18:54

Rusty it sounds like your mother has used you the whole of her life and has caused you to grow up without the support and nurturing you need.

It's completely understandable that you would want to set the record straight and reclaim a little of the family support and sense of belonging that has been denied to you.

I don't know what the answer is but you've done an incredible job seeing your mother's behaviour for what it is and keeping your own children safe from her and her dangerous partner.Flowers.

RustyOldBike · 13/11/2020 21:03

picklemewalnuts

At he risk of being pedantic, he's not my stepfather.

You're right, this difficult. And its so difficult to communicate the impact effectively. Maybe saying something like that would help. I dont know anymore.

Darker thank you. And you're right about the belonging. It's only as my children have grown up and I see the relationship i have with them and the support/nurturing that I realise how much I missed out on.

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lifestooshort123 · 13/11/2020 21:27

Surely not being able to 'out' her partner is a separate issue to telling the truth about your mother's dreadful treatment of you. Can't you tell close family what your life with your mother has been like without having to mentioning him? I'm sorry, it sounds very shitty.

FreshEggs · 13/11/2020 22:29

I’m so sorry you are going through this.
I was going to request a Sarah’s law disclosure on somebody I know but it stipulates you cannot tell anybody if there are sex offences to disclose. After a lot of thinking (and going NC with them) I decided not to request as I knew I would not be able to stop myself screaming it from the rooftops and getting myself in trouble.

After all nobody can stop me saying what I suspect of them and their behaviour, with no disclosure to worry about!

It sounds like you’ve had a lifelong smear campaign against you by your mother, it’s devastating. You deserved so much more!

RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 02:21

it stipulates you cannot tell anybody if there are sex offences to disclose

Yes, exactly.

A lifelong smear campaign is exactly what it's been.

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RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 02:36

lifestooshort123

I don't have any close family apart from my brother who was happy to go NC when I did anyway. Like I say, it had followed a lifetime of emotional abuse.

There is no other family. I had a small family anyway and any relatives have already died having cut me off in support of my mother. There is no one now, other than this man and his family, whose opinion of me I really care about.

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lifestooshort123 · 14/11/2020 07:18

@RustyOldBike
I would, at some point, like to be able to be honest with people. At the moment, I have to be vague and cryptic and lie about my reasons for being NC with her which makes it sound as though I might be a factor in it - surely I'd be honest if I were not to blame at all?
I thought from the above that there were more people you wanted to be honest with.
If it is only this man and his family, can you not tell him how shitty your mum has always been to you and ask him to let you know when he dies because then you'd like to meet up with your mum and try and sort things out? I know his mum is your mum's best friend but if you get him on side she might begin to see the gaps in your mum's stories. Good luck whatever you decide.

RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 08:22

Those are the only people from my past, who she has lied to, that I am bothered about really. The others I was bothered about are dead. I'd rather she had been a bit more neutral about it all and it's been a long time. It bothers me that people I have never known will think so badly of me. Of course it bothers/upsts/angers me that she lies about me. Bit there are only a few people I'm really upset about hearing the lies.

I upsets me most that I can't be honest in my own life.

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RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 08:23

I largely suspect that she will have asked them not to tell me when he dies.

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picklemewalnuts · 14/11/2020 08:42

Are you sure she's managing to keep up the facade with them? It may be he is warm when in touch with you because he's well aware of your mother's short comings and doesn't believe her lies anyway.

He's unlikely to have guessed about her partner's crimes- but may still have an 'off' feeling about him.

I think, if I were you, I'd stay in touch with him. The kind of twice a year, 'how are you all doing', kind of contact. You could then ask after her occasionally or ask 'is she still with Boyfriend Bill?' .

That would be reasonable and unsurprising in the circumstances, I think.

RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 09:06

Yes, that's an idea. I dont want to pretend that I want to make up with her. Because that's a lie and I don't want to lie to anyone. There's been enough deception already.

I think people will believe it. It's an extension of a narrative she's been telling my whole life. She'll have said it so often she believes it herself.

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RustyOldBike · 14/11/2020 09:09

I've just sent him a 'how are you all keeping' type message. I last spoke with him in March - the weekend before lockdown hit - so I'll see how the conversation goes.

Thanks.

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Darker · 14/11/2020 09:32

Good luck with it. My situation is nothing as severe as yours but I'm estranged from my brother and a few other family members and there have been a lot of lies told about me that I think most people know are rubbish, but they can't disbelieve the lie-tellers either. So they just ignore me. There is one person in my family who unequivocally believes and supports me and it has made the most enormous difference to my mental health to have that validation. I hope you get some relief.

PurpleMustang · 14/11/2020 11:16

I have not had such a horrible situation as you but have gone nc with my mother. Been about 10 years. I know she has/would have told people her version of what happened as she would not want people to think ill of her and made me the scapegoat to get all the sympathy. As much as it irritates the hell out of me there is only so much you can do but you can do something. Whilst it is not ideal obviously the people that have now passed away, there is nothing that you can do but I would bet anything that if she has always been like this that they would have realised over time that she was a prolific liar and that what she was saying was not true and just went along with it for an easier life. For those that you want to say something but can't for now you need to have a response ready, something that doesn't say anything but says everything. Along the lines of, there are 2 sides to every story or when certain events happen i will be able to be honest in what has happened. You should not have to hide away and your mother should really have had more sense as the truth will catch up with her one day. It has affected too much of your life and continues to do so and you need it to stop. For me, those that I didn't want to tell everything but knew she would have told her version to, I would just say "there is 2 sides to every story, and that she was a jekyll and hyde person. when the front door shut she was a different person" whilst not saying what it gave them and idea she was putting on a version of her. But whatever you decide to do, good luck

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