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Bf too dependent on friend?

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wontgetfooledagain123 · 07/10/2020 21:55

Use MN regularly but NC as details here could be outing. Apologies for length but didn't want to dripfeed.

I'm mid 30s and have a new bf (few months) who's the same age. We get on really well, the chemistry is great, and I really like him. I got divorced some years ago and now ready to settle down and have kids. He knows this, and we both agree this has potential and he has said that he'll be honest with me if he doesn't see a future as he doesn't want to waste my time. We're both happy with how it's progressing.

However, there is something that has me a bit concerned but I'm not sure if I'm just being paranoid. So could use some straight talking MN advice.

He has never had a gf before me. Which did surprise me as he's very attractive, good job, smart, funny, kind etc. When I asked him about it, he said it's because his job has unsociable hours (it does) and he's spent many years working and qualifying. He also lived with his mum till very recently but has now bought his own place and finally living alone. I assumed that living with his mum for many years may have put off some women as well. But he's been a good bf so far so his lack of relationship experience doesn't bother me.

However, I have now clocked that there might be another reason he has been single all these years. He has a very good female friend, who he met as the wife of an old friend. He and the husband were very good mates but he is now closer to her than him. Nothing strange there and I have many male friends so haven't thought anything about it till recently.

A couple of incidents made me wonder though: e.g she discusses things with him that she doesn't with her husband (e.g her worries about periods/not wanting to get pregnant etc). OR he send her selfies of himself when he thinks he's looking good at work OR he gets her to proof read his work emails before he sends them. Also he discusses with me a lot her worries about her husband's job fears. But when i went through something similar to her husband he wasn't that bothered.

I jokingly asked him if the reason he was always single was because she met his emotional needs and made a gf redundant. He admitted that other friends of theirs had said the same thing about their friendship. But there was nothing between them, she was just naturally maternal and cared about him. And he didn't have feelings for her.

The thing that really annoyed me is that he then told her what i had said about their emotional dependency, to get her advice on what to do!!!! He also admits he shares with her screenshots of messages I've sent and details of any little disagreements we have, to get advice.

I think I was willing to write off my own alarm bells as me being insecure, but the fact that her friends and his have said the same, makes me nervous. It feels a bit like there's a 3rd party in our relationship and the level of impact she has on him worries me. E.g we have unprotected sex now (am on pill) but he decided he wanted to use condoms because she had a pregnancy scare and seeing her anxiety over it made him want to avoid that problem. He didn't even ask my opinion on if it's what I wanted. Just sprung it on me during sex.

So, my question is, do you think I am right to be concerned about how close they are? Could it cause problems? Or am I just being paranoid and need a chill pill? Am just wary of time wasting/getting hurt. We haven't met yet but with covid etc we haven't gotten around to the meet friends/family stage anyway.

OP posts:
wontgetfooledagain123 · 08/10/2020 14:01

@JaffaCake70 Thank you so much for your post. It was very helpful to hear about your experience and I certainly detect some of the patterns you noticed in your ex, with him. The regularly asking for advice, using her as emotional support etc. I haven't been with him long so tbh not even sure of the full extent of it, this is just what I have noticed in a few months.

He is very mature in other ways, financially secure, hardworking, tidies/cleans up at mine without asking, lovely manners, looks after mum and her house, which is why this really surprised me. But he admits to being emotionally stunted, lacking in empathy (he's incredibly bright too so I did wonder if he's on the spectrum) - and hence the reason he relies on her to say/do the right thing and not cause offence. Which means I'll never know what he says/does because he means it, or is because that's what she said he should do. And I feel I will spend all my time looking after his emotional needs rather than mine! Definitely signs of him not having grown up fully. And mum and friend are enabling this in a way.

It's given me a lot to think about and realising I need to end it, but do feel sad as we shared some lovely times. And was nice having the company after a lockdown alone. Ah well.

Well done you for having the strength to leave! And good luck on your date :)

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Wheelyyyy · 08/10/2020 14:11

Hmmmmm

This issue will become worse the closer u both try to get to each other.

Hes swapped his mum for this girl

Anordinarymum · 08/10/2020 14:14

@KurriKawari

I rarely say this but please run!!
he discussed you with her. I am sorry but that would be the end of him for me.
Anordinarymum · 08/10/2020 14:14

Sorry I didn't mean you I meant OP

nosswith · 08/10/2020 14:23

I think you have made the correct decision to end the relationship. And being able to look at some positive memories.

SandyY2K · 08/10/2020 18:25

I'd never send a work email to anyone outside of my colleagues to proofread.

That alone would irritate me tbh...talk less of the rest of it.

JaffaCake70 · 08/10/2020 21:28

[quote wontgetfooledagain123]@JaffaCake70 Thank you so much for your post. It was very helpful to hear about your experience and I certainly detect some of the patterns you noticed in your ex, with him. The regularly asking for advice, using her as emotional support etc. I haven't been with him long so tbh not even sure of the full extent of it, this is just what I have noticed in a few months.

He is very mature in other ways, financially secure, hardworking, tidies/cleans up at mine without asking, lovely manners, looks after mum and her house, which is why this really surprised me. But he admits to being emotionally stunted, lacking in empathy (he's incredibly bright too so I did wonder if he's on the spectrum) - and hence the reason he relies on her to say/do the right thing and not cause offence. Which means I'll never know what he says/does because he means it, or is because that's what she said he should do. And I feel I will spend all my time looking after his emotional needs rather than mine! Definitely signs of him not having grown up fully. And mum and friend are enabling this in a way.

It's given me a lot to think about and realising I need to end it, but do feel sad as we shared some lovely times. And was nice having the company after a lockdown alone. Ah well.

Well done you for having the strength to leave! And good luck on your date :)[/quote]
@wontgetfooledagain123 You are very welcome. I am more than happy to try to offer advice in this particular situation, as I know how hurt and irritated I was by the end of my experience.

I also had lovely time for the first 8-9 months of my relationship with this man. He 'love bombed' me, though I had never heard of love bombing before this relationship. He took me on holiday, weekends away in posh hotels, he thought nothing of paying £30 for two glasses of champagne in Selfridges.. thoughtful gifts, proclamations of love, amazing sex.. I fell for it all hook line and sinker, please don't make the same mistake.

As time went on this man withdrew from me in every way imaginable: Sexually, emotionally, physically (in that he wouldn't come to visit me in my city anymore, I always had to go to him). He always said that he loved me and wanted us to be together but his actions didn't match his words. If there's one thing that I've learned from this relationship it's that you should ALWAYS watch a person's actions. Talk is cheap, it's easy to say the right things, it's easy to talk the talk, it takes a lot more effort to walk the walk.

I started to feel so sad every time I visited him. One night we were sat watching tv and I started quietly crying (because of an issue with one of my Sons which he knew about). He knew I was crying as I kept wiping my eyes and was sniffling (as you do when you cry) he completely ignored me, and I mean completely! He did absolutely nothing to comfort me, he didn't ask what was wrong, why I was crying. He didn't offer a hug, or any other kind of comfort, he just ignored me and carried on watching the tv.. I was heartbroken.

I realised that this man didn't care about me at all, but that he did care about the BF ex. When it was the anniversary of her Mother's death, he sent her a msg saying that he was thinking of her and that her Mother would have been proud of her. She than rang him in tears, he consoled her and then rang me to tell me all about it....

A few weeks later it was the anniversary of my Dad's death, when I told him what day it was he again ignored me. I then turned to him and said 'I think my Dad would've been proud of me'. He turned to me and said in a mocking voice 'proud of you? Why?'.

In retrospect I've realised that this was all a part of his nasty, manipulative game. He wanted me to feel insecure about this ex, he made sure that I knew that his most recent ex before me had been threatened by his 'friendship' with the BF ex. I was never threatened in the way of thinking they were sleeping together. I think he saw this woman as a Mother figure, someone he could go to for advice about his relationship with me.

When I was in the process of ending things I told my Brother about a few of this man's behaviours, some of the inappropriate things he would say to me about other women, I mean really crude stuff that a decent man just wouldn't say to his partner. My Brother suggested that this man could be on the spectrum, I mention this because you've mentioned the same thing in your reply to me. My Brother said that his inappropriate behaviour coupled with his inability to communicate or offer emotional support, points to it being a possibility.

Anyway, spectrum or not, this man was making me feel terribly unhappy. The relationship was definitely not giving me the things that I needed. I'm much happier now that I'm out of that situation. I've dusted myself off and I've kept myself busy with other things. I'll not pretend that my confidence hasn't taken a battering, it has. Rejection will do that to a person. I'm now devoted to working on building my confidence again. I, like you, am worth so much more than this crappy behaviour.

I really hope you walk away from this OP, I know it's hard but ultimately you will be saving yourself a hell of a lot of heartbreak and wasted time.

Sending big hugs to you, keep us posted as to how you get on xxx

PostItJoyWeek · 08/10/2020 21:36

@SandyY2K

I'd never send a work email to anyone outside of my colleagues to proofread.

That alone would irritate me tbh...talk less of the rest of it.

I'd get fired if I shared a work email with an outsider to proof read.
Onxob · 08/10/2020 21:48

He also admits he shares with her screenshots of messages I've sent and details of any little disagreements we have, to get advice.

That would be enough for me! If my DH did that with a male friend it would be game over never mind a woman.

This is all manner of weird. He sounds like a teenager. Who needs "advice" from friends to solve minor relationship disagreements? So so inappropriate. Get rid OP.

JudyGemstone · 08/10/2020 22:42

JaffaCake70 I remember your thread, you definitely did the right thing getting away from that absolute shit show!

RLEOM · 10/10/2020 13:57

My ex had a female friend like this. They had an affair as soon as our baby was born.

Close male and female relationships, in my opinion, are rarely platonic.

Harehedge · 10/10/2020 14:01

Oh, you must go.

That's not normal adult behavior at all.

He doesn't sound ready for a relationship and I doubt he's capable of really loving you.

JaffaCake70 · 10/10/2020 22:03

@JudyGemstone I can't thank everyone that contributed to my thread enough. MN definitely helped me to make the final break. Sometimes you think it's just you being paranoid or insecure, on this occasion MN helped me to see that I was justified in my suspicion of the friendship and was, in fact, neither of the above.

wontgetfooledagain123 · 13/10/2020 15:54

Hello, all, OP here and thought I would just post and update as you were all so helpful.

We had what I thought was a good conversation last week, where he accepted he had broken my confidence and was crossing boundaries in the friendship. And that his friend has suggested they take space, to which he agreed. And he wanted to focus on our relationship and building that intimacy with me. So wouldn't see her or be in touch as frequently. In turn, I asked him to always be honest about when he met her/them, as I just didn't like the secrecy. Don't want him to not be friends, but now with a gf, they need boundaries, and i need to be a priority. He always says he isn't open about when he meets her as he doesn't want the argument, but agreed going forward with me. So I thought I'd see if we could still work.

We had a lovely, romantic weekend. He left mine early Sunday saying that he wanted to get prepped for work (Early turn) and rest. Fair enough. On Tuesday he asks me if it's ok if he sees the friend and her husband on Wednesday. I was surprised as I thought he was meant to be taking space.... Was also surprised that I still wasn't invited to meet them, after everything, as we all live in the same neighbourhood.

Long story short, after a lot of arguing, it transpired that he went over to their flat on Sunday (that's why he left mine early). And didn't tell me. So not only can he not take ANY space, like even a few hours from her, he's also a skilled liar.

I dumped him. He STILL doesn't fully understand why I and EVERYONE ELSE in his life think their 'friendship' is weird. Am completely convinced the friend is having an emotional affair too, as he said she waited till the husband had left the room to ask if they were ok regarding the 'space' issue. And the husband doesn't realise that they message multiple times a day, every day. But obviously to my (ex) bf, both of them lying and hiding things from their partners is oh, so normal.

Absolutely raging that I thought he was honest and genuine when we had our heart to heart, and actually he's just a duplicitous, lying piece of shit. Just like everyone here had warned. Glad to be out of it, have blocked him on everything, and good luck to any woman who has the misfortune to enter that den of vipers.

Thanks Mumsnet, as always!

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JudyGemstone · 13/10/2020 16:46

Fucking hell, it all just sounds so dysfunctional and weird.

Leave them to their bullshit, you deserve so much better Thanks

Harehedge · 13/10/2020 20:02

Good luck with your next relationship.

ReneeRol · 13/10/2020 20:22

Good luck. I'd warn the husband. He deserves to know the full extent of their relationship and know she's lying to him. He should have the option to decide whether he wants to continue in a marriage with someone like that.

elephantontheroofeatingcake · 13/10/2020 20:34

Run.... and don't look back

FlatScreenTV01 · 13/10/2020 20:35

He is a grade A loser, OP.

Geppili · 13/10/2020 20:36

Nope. Just for the fact of living with his mum til recently.He wants a mum figure to fulfil him. No.

RayStarling · 13/10/2020 20:42

I hope he didn't try the condom and pill precaution with her first to make sure it would definitely get past the pregnancy test!!

Seriously though, if he's going into this much detail about your communication then what is he saying about your sex life and other aspect of your relationship?

He is immature, still wants to have his mummy look after him, so unless you want this dynamic then kick him to the kerb!!

RayStarling · 13/10/2020 20:46

Sorry, just seen your comment about ending the relationship!!

I think dumping him was the best thing you could have done, he's an absolute idiot.

Hope you get yourself a man for your next relationship and not some weird manchild!

LilyLongJohn · 13/10/2020 21:20

Well done OP. You've set boundaries which is great and right

Namechanged1122 · 06/11/2020 16:15

@wontgetfooledagain123 hi OP, just wondered if you'd heard anything from him since..?

firewalkeruk · 06/11/2020 16:29

Imagine if it ever got to the stage you have a child/children with this guy. Would you want her giving your bf advice on how to raise his children?
Ladies on here have enough problems with some MIL's behaving in a similar manner to your bf's friend. A friend like this would be a thousand times worse.

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