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friend’s view of money

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useragsj · 04/10/2020 10:50

Long term friend, pretty much always there if I need her and I’m there for her too.

I’ve always known that we had a wildly different perception of wealth and a different financial upbringing...a year into our friendship she said that her sister had married into a very very wealthy family as her brother in law’s parents owned a 300k house...this was said with a sense of awe and as it it was something that she could only have as a pipe dream. I know wealth is all relative but I remember thinking she must have very limited views of what she can attain if that is deemed out of reach to her. There’s been other things such as her saying that 40k was a huge amount to earn in a year and she’d say well obviously I will never earn that it’s just crazy money...there’s been lots of instances where she will pick out something that someone owns (for instance my sister has a smeg fridge) and she would go on and on about how this fridge must mean they are absolutely minted hmm it’s all a bit strange and seems to have a superficial view of what having money actually means. Lots of people with fancy kettles and toasters aren’t rolling in it!!

I was brought up to believe money isn’t something you talk about...And now I wonder if this has caused an issue in our friendship. I never told her how much my house was worth and it only recently came to light when I sold it for 380k. Similarly, all the times she was amazed by people who earn 40k, I didn’t say anything and I guess implied I thought it unattainable, despite the fact I have been earning close to double that for a while now. Maybe she feels like I’ve lied to her but I wasn’t exactly going to start chatting about money when she never seems to have much of it.

When I sold my house recently she made comments like ‘I would have thought it was quite cheap where you are..’ and then when I sold it, she said she was surprised it had sold Hmm

When I bought a new car a few weeks ago, she came over and I was actually nervous about her seeing it that I nearly moved it off the drive. As predicted she said in a jokey way ‘are you having a mid life crisis..’

We are both 34 and have known each other since we were 21. I feel like we have always had a different perception of money but what is frustrating is that she goes from admin job to admin job and then complains that other people can afford things and she can’t. She has a masters degree and could be paid more if she tried. Don’t get me wrong...nothing wrong with an admin role but if you are going to complain about money then do something about it!! It’s never bothered me until recently and I have started to feel like she doesn’t want to share milestones in my life anyone, or if she does it is to put me down.

I was promoted last week at work and I feel embarrassed bringing it up - I know you don’t need to tell friends everything but the dynamics of our friendship seem to have changed since I’ve progressed with these things.

I don’t know what to make of it all and after many years of a lovely friendship, I feel like we are on such different pages and she seems to dislike people who are in my financial circumstance, yet she is on the surface friends with me. So often she will make comments about people who have a certain amount of income, in a really derogatory way, and it is becoming more and more awkward and I feel more and more defensive as I’ve worked for this, it’s not like I have sat back for the last 10 years doing nothinh.

Has anyone else been in this situation and it resolved itself?

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Leimarel · 04/10/2020 10:57

I've not been in this position but your friend's outlook on life is bizarre, almost a reverse snobbery, particularly as she could be a high earner if she wanted to be. Is she frightened of failing, and would rather not try to improve her lot?

LoveEatYoga · 04/10/2020 11:00

I read this same thread yesterday Hmm

useragsj · 04/10/2020 11:02

Yes I posted in relationships for traffic. Didn’t realise there were post police Hmm but thanks for your helpful view!

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LoveEatYoga · 04/10/2020 11:03

I gave you a why I hope was a helpful view when you posted the first time!

useragsj · 04/10/2020 11:05

loveeat as I said I have posted here for traffic as it is a relationship issue.

I’m not sure why it bothers you that I have posted here... MN is a funny place sometimes

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LoveEatYoga · 04/10/2020 11:08

I think you're being sensitive OP. I just commented that this is a duplicate thread and when you said something about my "helpful view" I pointed out that I did give my views on the situation the first time I read your thread. I'm not making an issue Flowers

TheFoz · 04/10/2020 11:09

People who are down about their lives like to bring other people down with them.
What is her situation? Is she single, married, kids? Do you know her family, are they the same as her? What do you think is holding her back from getting a better paid job?

LemonTT · 04/10/2020 11:13

I don’t see the problem with the situation. It is as you describe. She has opinions about income and money that are different from yours.

I wouldn’t have a problem with this. I don’t try to surround myself with like minded people because that reinforces Prejudices and intolerance.

It’s perhaps something you need to explore in yourself. She seem happy and content.

useragsj · 04/10/2020 11:13

Well I apologise loveyoga and thank you for posting in the other forum.

thefox she is in a relationship but both low paid, recently got a pay rise to 27k. For as long as I have known her she is ‘about to’ start applying for another job but it never happens. I couldn’t care less what she does as long as she is happy but the comments about mine and by extension my family’s expenditure is becoming tiresome. She recently laid into landlords - fair view - but then is happy to have free holidays in my parents buy to let homes. It’s just hypocritical and I’m starting to find it rude.

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useragsj · 04/10/2020 11:16

lemon I think you’re right that it may actually be coming from me and I am being sensitive to her comments rather than her necessarily taking issue with me.

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PoetaDeLosSandwiches · 04/10/2020 11:17

If you feel like you can't be honest about your life, it's not really a friendship is it?

Does she have any awareness of you feeling awkward or defensive when she talks that way?

yetmorecrap · 04/10/2020 15:11

I think she is just jealous and it’s inverse snobbery . The amounts you are talking of aren’t massive in today’s markets.

BooFuckingHoo2 · 04/10/2020 16:50

Didn’t you post something similar last week about your friend making comments about you moving to a four bedroom house on your own?

overnightangel · 04/10/2020 16:54

27 grand is low paid? Maybe you are a snob

BubblyBarbara · 04/10/2020 16:55

There’s been other things such as her saying that 40k was a huge amount to earn in a year

Well it is. It's 50% over the average salary. It's not an uncommon account of money to earn but it puts you in the top 22% of earners! It is unrealistic of you to assume everyone can achieve this.

Redlocks28 · 04/10/2020 16:57

@BooFuckingHoo2

Didn’t you post something similar last week about your friend making comments about you moving to a four bedroom house on your own?
Oh, was that you as well, OP?

If that’s you, your problem is you need a nicer friend.

RantyAnty · 04/10/2020 16:57

Seems she has a poverty mindset.
Therapy would be the only thing to change that.

OldWomanSaysThis · 04/10/2020 17:05

I would wonder if she grew up in a family that was "other-focused" as it comes to money. Were her parents always making comments about other people's money, what others had, the value of their homes, how can they afford that, etc?

Mischance · 04/10/2020 17:10

Money has never been a focus of my life - both my OH and I jumped off the grindstone wheel to have a simpler but less affluent way of life. People thought we were nuts as we had 3 children to support - but who cares? Just because you are highly educated - as she clearly is - does not mean you have to climb the ladder if you choose not to.

Perhaps concentrate on the other aspects of your relationship and let the money comments wash by you.

DrCoconut · 04/10/2020 17:32

It does depend on the area and family though. I won't earn £40k if I become head of department in a job that's far from low skilled or unqualified. I consider a £300k house to be expensive and luxurious. But mind is worth £70k. All relative.

overnightangel · 04/10/2020 17:33

“ Seems she has a poverty mindset.
Therapy would be the only thing to change that.”

What a fucking moronic and ignorant thing to say

ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble · 04/10/2020 17:43

The issue her is you've never been honest to her and even worse seemed to be of the same mindset/circumstances.

The reason you are so uncomfortable now is because you can't "hide" it anymore and you're applying all the things she says about others to you.

I have friends that are quite well off, DD's godparents are actually wealthy it makes no difference to me because I know that about them ,they are good friends,we moan and bitch about similar things even financial (at completely different levels ofc) and we are honest with each other.

PinkiOcelot · 04/10/2020 17:43

Is money and finances all you talk about? I can honestly say I never have these conversations with my friends.

widespreadpanic · 04/10/2020 21:11

Her backhanded compliments and remarks makes me feel that she might be jealous.

She hasn’t accomplished the things she wants in life and she’s okay with it until it’s YOU then it makes her feel a certain say so to make herself feel better she puts you down.

Had a friend like her, so after awhile we never talked about money because every time I bought something or got a raise she would get nasty but not it wasn’t outright.

I started to overly praise her accomplishments and her comments lessened for the most part. Or I would Just change the subject when things like this come up.

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