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Understanding why ex stayed in abusive relationship

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namechangeforfriday · 02/10/2020 12:28

NC for this but regular poster.

For context and because I know people ask I’m a woman, ex is a man.

We had a short but very intense relationship earlier this year that his ex of around a decade was not happy about - they’d been broken up for a year but not yet divorced. She messaged him various tirades of abuse about me and emotionally guilt tripped him, generally interfered and made our lives very difficult. Aside from that it was an intense and unhealthy situation as we decided to quarantine together very soon after meeting and both have our own mental health issues, so I am very aware that even without the presence of his ex this fling had a lot of issues.

But he would indulge his ex’s rants and talk about how he felt emotionally responsible for her and I felt so let down that he seemed to prioritise her feelings over mine.

The thing I’m struggling with is that he’s told me the extent of the abuse she subjected him to throughout their marriage, including stealing hundreds of pounds from him to fund a drug habit, being physically violent to him, punching her own mother in the face in front of him, cheating, and general emotional manipulation and crocodile tears to reel him back in. He admits he was codependent and has low self esteem but the penny has only just dropped about the extent of her unpleasantness because he found out today that she’s been seeing someone else since before their marriage even ended (which she ended, btw).

Now, I KNOW abuse is never the victim’s fault, I know women stay in situations like this for years because of conditioning and loss of self esteem, I’ve even done that myself although in shorter and less volatile relationships. I am not in any way victim blaming him, I read these boards a lot and would never minimise abuse having suffered it myself (emotionally and sexual coercion, not physically). But I’m struggling with the notion that it took so much for him to see the light. That he continued to defend her and prioritise her over me despite her awful behaviour. I feel very sad for him that it was so hard for him to extricate himself, but I also feel strangely vindicated that the penny has dropped (I and several of his friends and family said all along she was toxic and he should cut her off).

I’m struggling with all the things I’m feeling because I don’t want to minimise the abuse he suffered of victim blame him but part of me is just incredulous that none of that made him want to leave her, and I feel guilty for feeling that. I’m not sure what I’m asking for here, I guess I just needed to vent.

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Bunnymumy · 02/10/2020 12:47

I don't want to say he wasnt the victim because he very well could have been. There are some horrible women out there.

But have you considered that you only really have his word on things? Is it possible he wanted his ex to remain part of your relationship because he liked making you feel like you were competing with her/the memory of her?

You mention intensity of how things start which to me indicates potential 'love bombing' which is common from narcissists.

It's also common for them to talk trash about their 'crazy ex'. And use narcissistic triangulation - which is when they introduce another person (such as an ex, or new girl at work or even someone they fancy off the tv) to your conversations in order to make you feel insecure or like you arent 'enough' for them.

It sounds like your gut is telling you something isn't legit about him. I say, trust it. And be thankful he is an ex and you're out of the shitshow now anyway.

Bunnymumy · 02/10/2020 12:55

That being said, he could just be suffering from codependency. And its very hard to explain the hold abusers can have over a person to someone who hasn't been through it.

BPSCSS · 02/10/2020 12:57

So why did I stay? He had two major threats over me, he would take my kids, lie to social services and never let me see them again and that he would kill himself. Don't forget an abusive relationship is still a relationship and abusers are experts at creating just the right balance which means you stay. Also it builds up so slowly you barely notice and at some point you realise you are not getting out easily and you want to avoid being hurt. Oh and it's all the time you've put in, the fact that you are totally broken down over time etc etc.

CupoTeap · 02/10/2020 13:13

Abuse can change you in so many ways, and have such long standing implications.

He really needs counselling to help him.

CloudyVanilla · 02/10/2020 13:17

Why, when genders are reversed, do we always play the "not the whole story" card. Maybe abused women aren't telling the whole story either? Its not justifiable to act the way his ex did regardless of his actions.

OP it is cruel to ask why victims stay with their abusers IMO. Relationships are complicated and as he's told himself, low self esteem and a low sense of self worth contribute, along with emotional stringing and reeling by the abusers, the sunk cost fallacy, intimidation, practical constraints. There are literally so many reasons and combinations of reasons why people end up staying or taking multiple times to leave abusive relationships.

namechangeforfriday · 02/10/2020 13:18

Yes, I’ve already said I was unreasonable to ask why he stayed as I understand it’s more complicated that that. It’s just helpful to have some more perspectives

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CloudyVanilla · 02/10/2020 13:28

It is sad and frustrating. I know someone personally who has tried to leave a relationship that I know to be abusive and dysfunctional. It's heartbreaking and also kind of infuriating to see them sucked back in.

namechangeforfriday · 02/10/2020 13:33

@CloudyVanilla

It is sad and frustrating. I know someone personally who has tried to leave a relationship that I know to be abusive and dysfunctional. It's heartbreaking and also kind of infuriating to see them sucked back in.
Yes, I think this is it. The frustration they can’t see what everyone else does and the hold the abuser has over them. I understand logically and rationally why he stayed as I’ve never read any threads about abuse on here and thought “why doesn’t she just leave” because I know how reductive and insulting that is. But when you’re close to it it’s hard to make sense of all the feelings about it.
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Llamapolice · 02/10/2020 13:45

Look up Leslie Morgan Steiner on YouTube, her TED talk. It's really powerful and enlightening.

lilmishap · 02/10/2020 14:04

Trauma bonding.

PamDemic · 03/10/2020 16:15

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SandyY2K · 04/10/2020 20:35

I don't think your question is unreasonable at all.

When I hear about DV cases that have ended tragically and then you hear of the numerous incidents of previous violence....I feel very sad, that the victim didn't leave before it came to that.

I have a friend in an abusive relationship and I have given up asking her why she stays. They don't have kids together, they aren't married, he doesn't financially support her.....and to me I feel like there's a part of her that doesn't love herself to put up with it. She has low self esteem, but I don't know why, because she has a lovely friendly personality and is attractive.

He continuously cheats on her, he's physically and verbally abusive to her and he's mean to her DC.

He has stood on her head, kicked her and shoved her head down the toilet....some of which her DC has witnessed, yet this isn't enough to end it.

So, I think asking why she stays is a very normal question...it's not victim blaming...it's trying to understand why this isn't enough to leave....or why she doesn't feel she could do better.

I know a lot is often put into trying to understand the abuser, but if my DD was in an abusive relationship, my concern would not be the abuser and trying figure out the craziness in their head, but getting my DD away from the relationship to a place of safety.

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