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This is the end. Thoughts and help please?

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PineappleFuzz · 19/09/2020 21:24

Normal gumf - nc so not linked to previous posts..

I will apologise now for the long post.. i don't want to drip feed, and it is a bit of a muddle in my head at the moment, but I'll do my best.

From the start...

Met 'D'P at work - he was in a long term relationship but it was rocky etc. They have 2 kids together.
Nothing happened between us until well after they split.
All good first year, covered a lot of long term conversations, where we were aiming with life etc, likes, dislikes, wants.

There was an awful lot of stress thanks to cnts at work, but we overcame it and stayed strong. (perhaps as we had stayed together through all the shit, it made me/us fight through what should have been red flags later on...)

I ended up doing a uni course through work (1year, diploma, no bsc whatnot), and he wasn't overly happy with this as it is a higher qualification than he has, to do the same job, and distinctly remember him saying that he didn't know if he could wake up in the morning next to me, knowing what i was getting that he wasn't. (Work said that as he is already registered -hcpc- that he is qualified and doesn't require a top up.) Truth be told I'd rather have done the course he did, as it was all relevant to the job rather than dipping into irrelevant things, and required a higher pass mark than the uni does.

I think out of 6 proper holidays/weekends abroad (excluding a fee just overnight stays), we’ve had maybe..2 without argument or disagreements? The main ones that come to mind are when we went to Amsterdam he got the biggest strop in the world because he received constructive feedback on a draft essay for his mentoring course... and the most recent was his birthday trip where he got irritated by me (yes probably was a bit out of it thanks to a few drinks and was probably annoying).. he then refused to hold my hand or anything even close because (and i quote) “it’s like with a dog - you don’t reward bad behaviour by doing something it wants”

I think for me that was the major turn. This year hasn’t been the same since (we were away in January).

End of last year, he fucked me over on a project he was doing - was meant to be a joint venture, something for me to add to my portfolio and something to get him some money-nothing seedy). Rather than discussing it with me and that he would rather it be done sooner, or even discuss it with me..I found out when we were round his parents..and he proudly told them that he had put down the deposit on it all with a completion date for 3 months ahead.
Admittedly he did turn around after a chat at home and understand why i was annoyed..

Next up.. sex.
First 6 months it was daily, maybe even more than once. He frequently made a point (unprompted) of saying how much he loved it everyday, so different to every other relationship, and he never wanted it less. Of course, over time it did get less, but still mostly daily.. maximum every other day.
It was mentioned that it was a bit routine, so tried mixing it up a bit, as you do.
He had a period on anti depressants, and had issues finishing and with dulled sensation - we found work arounds etc which made it as close to normal for him as possible.
Then it gradually dwindled.. and unfortunately due to a lot of past issues I hate confrontation - I’ll hold my hands up and saying PA signs of displeasure were not the way forwards..

But at the same time - i wanted to be wanted. I wanted him to instigate it, him to start things off, because he wanted to.
He always came back with saying that if i want sex, he will give it to me, and didn’t get the difference.

Also, flipside - whilst with his ex, where they had minimal sex, he used to sext/message photos with multiple girls, but nothing physical.

So onto the issue today.
Sex has been almost non existent recently, which while within normal parameters for most people is certainly not for us.
So, suspicious after chatting to a couple of friends..... i had a good opportunity to check his phone this morning while he was showering.

Nothing really to note......until I looked at deleted photos. There were some with 16days left before permanent deletion, so on an iPhone i guess they were deleted 13 days ago?
They were dick pics, in work trousers, boxers and nude.
I checked all our message threads.. going back months... and they weren’t sent to me.

Up to old tricks i guess. I haven't broken down about it yet - nearly have twice. Seeing a work friend tomorrow and will hash it out then...

I have been feeling probably since the end of last year...that it wasn’t a forever thing anymore (despite discussing marriage, kids, all sorts) but i have sought counselling and meds to check it wasn’t me (history of self sabotaging in relationships).

I had given the relationship until December to have improved, or moved forwards.. guess we won’t be making it that far.

In terms of us, we bought a house together last year, not married, no kids (other than a good relationship with his with his ex). So not as complicated as it could have been (he’s had an engagement ring for over 2 years now).

Thoughts please? Help? Any advice on how to proceed?

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PineappleFuzz · 20/09/2020 06:37

I've long suspected something wasn't quite right...but never found any evidence at all.... and it was very fortunate I thought to look at his deleted pics yesterday morning.

Also had a real turn around in my head (mostly since the dog comment this year), from "why hasn't he proposed, he knows I'll say yes, and i know he has the ring" to "i hope he doesnt propose, i wont be saying yes, i cant do forever as we are"

I've slept horribly all night, but am up nice and early to take dog for a walk with a friend. (Bonus of avoiding his family being over as well)

This has been my first "proper" relationship, the rest have been self sabotaged, one abusive one, and one poorly chosen one that barely lasted a few months.

I am listening to all you've said. I am taking strength from it all. I will leave. And it will be on my terms as well.

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PineappleFuzz · 20/09/2020 06:40

I am by no means innocent in any of this; I know that I should have been making the effort to instigate as well, and that I have (kind of) been cutting my own nose off to spite my face. It isn't a lack of wanting sex on my part (up until yesterday, i cant think of much worse now), just a greater need of wanting him to show me he wants it.

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ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 20/09/2020 06:48

Fucking hell even just one of those things would have me running for the hills. He's threatened by you doing well at work. He sabotages you because he's jealous. He's shit in bed. He's controlling you with his moods. He called you a dog. He's a cheat.

You're 28. If you want kids, don't have them with him. But until you get rid of this idiot, you won't be free to find a decent man.

Florencex · 20/09/2020 07:04

There are so many reasons to move on here. The qualification is the one that annoys me the most.

But you say the age is not an issue. When I was 28 I was with a 42 year old and I didn’t think it was an issue either. Now I am 50 and I am glad I am married to a 46 year old man and not a 64 year old man as I could have been.

PineappleFuzz · 20/09/2020 10:39

@Florencex thanks to my job, and with an unfortunate turn of jobs, I've seen a lot of couples where there is an age difference and it made me anxious about the future with regards to needing to care for him as we got older.. but in terms of conversation etc we were always well matched with it all

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PineappleFuzz · 20/09/2020 14:43

Spent most of the day with my friend today - she is an absolute star in my life.
Blunt and says things how they are...but with love.

Quite rightly, she has said that I can't wait it out, and that I need to get it off my chest, and tell jim I know. On top of which, that the relationship is now over.

Regardless of what excuse he comes up with, the trust is gone and I'll constantly be worrying and wondering.

Looking at how to install a lock on a bedroom door, so i can have the top floor of the house (3 floors) until an alternative can be found/the house sold.

I feel sick at the mere thought of any confrontation, let alone knowing I need to say something tonight. God only knows what tonight will bring

I've never had a relationship as long as this one (3 3/4 years), mainly due to preferring to be single over a baseless relationship.

I've never had to have a conversation like this before.

Any tips, hints, experiences are welcome - i dread the thought I'll cry - i don't want him to know he's bothered me like that.

My choices currently are - have tonight as tonight, and use tomorrow while he is out at work to get all my bits and pieces together and stashed in the bedroom, and have the break up conversation tomorrow...

Or hash it all out tonight, get it all over and done with, and hope i can find what i need to find tomorrow

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GinGinHooray · 20/09/2020 14:55

None of what you describe is good but what leapt out to me in your first post was that whilst with his ex he used to sext/message photos with multiple girls.

Not trying to sound judgy or bitchy here...but why on earth would you be with a man knowing that he had cheated like that on the mother of his children?

He's just not a nice guy, and cheaters like that don't ever change. It was only going to be a matter of time before he did the same to you.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 20/09/2020 15:02

You're only 28 and you thought the best you could do is some cheating, nasty 40-year-old with two kids? I'd actually move out whilst he's at work. You moved too fast with this bloke who has more baggage than Samsonite, is shit in bed, fucks you over at work and verbally abuses you, too.

I'd go stay with friends and then ring him at work and tell him what you know and that's you're done with an old twat who sabotages your work, cheats, has baggage and is a shit shag.

Coriandersucks · 20/09/2020 15:10

It doesn’t need a big deep conversation - this isn’t a discussion you’re having with him where he gets a say in the outcome. You tell him what you know, that it’s not too enough and that the relationship is over.

PineappleFuzz · 20/09/2020 15:29

@GinGinHooray
He gave a reasonable (ish) reason.
As reasonable as it could have been anyway. She was, by all account, less than a saint (backed up by multiple other people too..
And from the start, i was open and said communication is key, and honesty - without either if which a relationship is shit.

Having been a member on here.. same old story i guess.

I'm a naive enough person to have fallen for it all, hook line and sinker.

@Coriandersucks thats where i was erring on.. just didnt know if there were better ways of doing it.

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IJustWantSomeBees · 22/09/2020 14:55

How are you doing, OP?

PineappleFuzz · 23/09/2020 13:11

Better than i thought i would be, thank you got along

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PineappleFuzz · 23/09/2020 13:11

*for

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S00LA · 23/09/2020 13:20

Have you told him it’s over ?

Are you putting the house on the market or is he buying you out ?

I’m sure you don’t feel it right now but you’ve dodged a bullet here. He’s not a very nice person.

billy1966 · 23/09/2020 13:24

What a loser OP.

You are so young to have attached yourself to such a waste of space.

Get out.Flowers

S00LA · 23/09/2020 13:30

Once you are out, please don’t date again until you’ve got yourself some counselling . You need to work out what you don’t think you deserve anything better than a not very kind 40 year old married man with two kids who is jealous of your career.

Palavah · 23/09/2020 13:44

@PineappleFuzz

I am by no means innocent in any of this; I know that I should have been making the effort to instigate as well, and that I have (kind of) been cutting my own nose off to spite my face. It isn't a lack of wanting sex on my part (up until yesterday, i cant think of much worse now), just a greater need of wanting him to show me he wants it.
This would have made no difference.

He is trying to make you think you are inferior to him. A true partner would celebrate your professional success. He hass been cheating on you while making you feel guilty for your lack of sex life. He's undermined you, lied to you, and put you down.

Work out what you need to do to leave with your fair share of the property you bought into.

And get rid of him. You can do much better. Consider the freedom programme. Do not pay attention to his evaluation of your worth - he has shown that his opinion of you should have no weight.

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