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How do you mother a girl? (V long !)

47 replies

OrmIrian · 08/10/2007 10:04

Because I?ve come to the conclusion that I actually don?t know. I was looking at the toxic parents thread and it struck as chord with me. My mother didn?t really bother with me ? she loved me (I always knew that) but I was always aware that she was as much of a child, as vulnerable and insecure, as I was. She never played with me ? she did things like flashcards with me, she read to me, she took me out to places, she let me help her round the house, but she never ever got down on her knees and played. My older brother was quite difficult at times ? moody, very demanding, struggled at school, emotionally volatile ? I was 100% the opposite. My mum left me to get on with it, in order to deal with my brother?s problems. I always felt that she cared more for him than me but just accepted that was the case. Mum never shared girly stuff with me, I was more likely to learn how to give a sheep a worming treatment than apply make-up . She didn?t wear make-up or worry about clothes ? so I?ve tended to follow in her footsteps. Don?t draw attention to yourself being the most important thing. I now find it hard to have a natural loving relationship with her, it?s always been a bit false. She?s the last person in the world I?d tell something private. Even now I?m the one that lives nearby and sees them often, DB lives in N Wales and only comes down to see them 3 or 4 times a year. In spite of all her trying DB resents my mum and struggles to be civil to her .

Which is all water under the bridge ? until now I?ve realised that the same pattern is repeating itself. DS#1 has problems with school and is very emotionaly volatile. DH and I seem to spend a lot of energy sorting out his problems. DD is a ?good? child who does everything well and gets on with life so it?s very tempting to just let her get on with it. Things tend to be set to suit DS#1, DD tends to follow along. The situation is made harder because we also have a younger child who takes a lot of my time and attention. DD is now following so closely in my footsteps it?s frightening ? she refuses to wear dresses and hates pink! She tells me she wants to be a boy. She is always the one who helps out and takes charge of DS#2 if necessary. I do try to do special things, just with her, but DS#2 always wants to come too. DH finds him hard work so more often than not I end up with DD and DS#2. When we are together she chatters 10 to the dozen and seems to love it but she often ends up being disappointed with what we do, and ends up in tears over something or other. It?s all so complicated. She was in floods of tears over something last night and the only way I could calm her was to get into bed with her and cuddle her to sleep. Is that what she needs? She isn?t a cuddly child at all usually but is that just a reaction to the situation she finds her self in. I really don?t want to have the relationship with her as an adult that I have with my mother.

So how do you parent a girl? I don?t actually think that I know. I?ve been trying to parent all three of them the same but in that scenario DD misses out I think.

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frogs · 08/10/2007 11:19

OI, doing something creates the ideal opportunity for talking somehow everyone feels less self-conscious if they're partly occupied. I've had great conversations with the children while doing cooking, for example get her to help you chop stuff up, or teach her to knit or some such. How about letting her make cocoa or herbal tea for both of you before she goes to bed, and you can have a quiet bedtime drink together?

ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 11:23

Orm you sound like ME! And I spend a lot of time trying to tell myself I am a "good enough" mother.. I've even started to believe it!

As long as our chilren are well fed and looked after and know they are loved, we're really not doing all that badly I don't think!

I'd go with finding opps for the two of you to chat then.. you said she talks nineteen to the dozen to you given the opportunity.. (DD does to.. I have been known to say "Give it a rest darling.. Mummy is doing [whatever].. we'll talk about it later.. ) and if she goes of on one, as they do, try not to get too cross with her, or at least don't show it. [Must take own advice.. I am so knackered most of time (sleep deprivation.. re DS2) that my patience is not what it should be.]

I'm sure she knows you love her. Could you do a crafty activity with her sometimes? That playing! My DD loves that, when we do something together.

You probably need to actively work out how you can squirrel away a little time (an hour?) every or most weeks, so that it's just you and DD.

moonmother · 08/10/2007 11:26

Ormirian,your relationship with your Dd sounds very much like mine,and I like you want/need to change it.
My Dd (7)is my eldest and right from when she was born has been easy-work,from sleeping through,not getting ill very much,to amusing herself from a young age....she's never been a 'needy' child.
And sadly I think this is the reason why I'm now feeling she needs more.I have a Ds (3) and he's the complete opposite,and he is a 'needy' child,so as you said the needy ones get the most energy focused on them.

I too need (and want) to spend more one on one time with my Dd,but as a lone parent its incredibly hard,most weekends they spend with they're dad,although I am thinking of altering that so I get some weekend time with them too.

I was discussing this with my very wise friend the other day and her advice was that even if you could not fit one on one time in in a specific place then the time when most girls would open up and chat,and the best time to have the one on one time was when they're either in the bath or just before bed.

So I'm going to try my friends advice,and also let my Dd go upto bed about 15 mins after my Ds so we have time for a nice chat and cuddle before bed,and hopefully after speaking to ex partner I can arrange some weekend time with them too.

OrmIrian · 08/10/2007 11:27

"Give it a rest darling"

Oooh yes. I've said words to that effect But she can talk a hindleg off a camel. But I guess that hidden in that stream of verbiage are some important things that I need to hear. I need an audio sieve. Not actually we need a loooong day out together so that she can talk it all out and I have to listen.

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ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 11:37

I sooo want to "find time" to go to Bluewater with just DD and do lovely "girly shopping". She adores girly shopping with just the two of us, even when we don't buy anything! Every time I go there I get the urge to show her this and that.. and for us to go in the fairy shop where the shop assistants dress in tutus.. and everything is pink and purple.. her favourite colours.

But we've never been. I am afraid to drive to Blue Water (motorway phobia). We will have to go on the bus one day.

alycat · 08/10/2007 11:58

I can relate to so many areas of this thread, in fact I could have written most of the OP!

Have found it most useful and supportive (have been having a little break from MN, so nice to pop on and be reminded of the good things about this place) and will be making time for my DD this week.

Like many of you I have a very good (nearly 8) DD who is very undemanding and a 3yr old DS with SN who gets the lions share of my time. I know she is starting to feel sad and is having a tough time at school, so hopefully a bit of bonding will go along way.

OI do beware the trip to the garden centre cafe via the pet section, we now have an adorable bunny from the time DD and I went to order the new turf!

SHPSH where abouts roughly are you? (I'm sorry I don't know how to CAT) Just I am in W.Kent and DD loves girly trips to Bluewater - I have a large car....

ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 12:17

I am in East Kent Aly. What a lovely idea

FioFio · 08/10/2007 12:19

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LemonTart · 08/10/2007 12:25

This thread has inspired me too When you ahve more than one child, we all know it is important to find individual time with each and develop your own personal relationship with each - but putting it into practise can get lost in the day to day car crash of family life. I have one at school and one at home. Spend plenty of time with DD2 at home, afternoons after playgroup is our time to go shopping, bake, paint etc DD1 has missed out a bit I guess - often tired and grumpy after school and I have had enough of "playing". Gonna make more of an effort to even things up.

majorstress · 08/10/2007 12:30

Really the only time I sit and listen to my quiet dd1 (7) is on her bed, occasionally, but now I am cracking down on bedtime because she is tired. So this morning she suddenly sprang to life and told me all about something they did at school last Friday, as I sat on her bed and struggled to do up her top button (in hopes she would finish dressing while I roused scary dd2.) (She did finish too!). I guess she's getting enough sleep now.

So maybe making a certain place your "we" space can work, even if the time you do it is random? Other ideas are fave cafe, garden swing/seat.

I love the idea of the scrapbook, but am too disorganised to keep it up. She has had a couple of disposable cameras and they were great especially with a small album for the phots.

ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 15:02

Fio, no I fecking don't!!!!!

Please don't make me! Actually.. you can't make me.. I won't do it!

ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 15:04

(I made a terrible false allegation about you on another thread Fio... lol )

alycat · 08/10/2007 15:08

SHPSH

bossybritches · 08/10/2007 15:31

Lol @ Shiny!!

Ormi- I have the same problem with my DD1.She is quiet & happy to have her nose stuck in a book or on the PC, & it's easy to neglect her needs when dealing with her noisy/demanding but equally loveable younger sister!

If your DH could take the boys off for some "boy-time" then even a DVD snuggled up together on the sofa with some pop-corn or some other "nibbles" can be fun(especially on a cold afternoon!)
Or a girly evening where you have a long hot soak in the bath (take it in turns if you can't both fit comfortably!)Just chat& then do body lotion/massage/nails anything she likes doing. Do her hair or let her play with yours.

Doesn't have to be anything complicated but what they like is your time & attention. It has brought me closer to my DD's. Sometimes we do it as a threesome if my DH is working the w/ends but sometimes my Mum will take one (to enjoy some Grandma-time) & the other gets my undivided atention.It's lovely

BTW you are NOT a crap mother or you wouldn't be feeling guilty (like we all do!)about it!!

covenhope · 08/10/2007 15:38

ormairian FWIW my DD wouldn't wear anything with a skirt or pink and wanted to be a boy. It all changed at secondary school when her new friends all encouraged her to be like them. She is 21 now and very girly

newgirl · 08/10/2007 15:55

definitely support the special time alone idea

shopping? swimming? painting pottery - whatever she likes to do

doesnt have to be time for heavy chats - just chatting about anything i think gets the message across that there is time to talk

OrmIrian · 08/10/2007 16:01

You see it's so bleeding' obvious isn't it? That she and I need time alone together. I know that it's true and I've always known it is...but somehow it doesn't happen. Because other things (mainly 2 boys) get in the way. And because she's such a 'good' girl she has tended not to whinge. I must stop allowing her to be such a good girl I think - if she won't whinge I must do it for her.

I spent years being a cinderella - doing things for others, keeping my head down, never demanding anything. I don't want DD to be like that.

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Dropdeadfred · 08/10/2007 16:09

If she doesn't want you to resad to her could she perhaps read to you? Then after that short story just chill on her bed for 10 mins and chat about anything she wants.

Tell her what you liked and disliked aged 8 and see if she comments...

miobombino · 08/10/2007 16:43

very interesting thread...I have 1 dd and 3ds's. Dd is the 3rd of the 4 and although i feel confident re parenting her, I do struggle to find time to see her 1 to 1. Usually she comes home on a school bus, but once a week I try to collect her and just recently my cleaner has been finishing later so is happy to keep ds3 with her so we can have a relaxed chat in the car together. He is the master of interruptions and attention hogging, so I do appreciate this time once a week !

Just lately she has been more highly strung than previously; the start of hormonal surges? So I'm particularly keen to keep up a close relationship with her.

Sadly I used to find my own mother fairly annoying when I was at that stage myself. Another child who used to share, inappropriately I now realise, her emotional troubles with me. Not what I needed at all.

The last thing I want is to be "annoying" to dd; I think that's when real communication stops and barriers go up.

ShinyHappyPurpleSeveredHeads · 08/10/2007 16:47

Aly that sounds great - have put in my calendar. Thank you! Where are you exactly? I'm in Faversham, but DD and I can meet you somewhere more suitable.. I will CAT you too, if you are equipped to receive CATS..

alycat · 09/10/2007 14:48

SHPSH Have returned your CAT.

Also, I arranged for someone else to have my DS at school run time yesterday so DD and I could have a chat in the car on the way home - a small thing but she seemed happy.

Notimefor · 26/11/2021 20:24

There is a really good book - how to raise girls- I understand how you are feeling.x

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