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Shock at lies of boyfriend

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Natmags · 10/09/2020 00:12

Hi everyone! I'm a single mom.of 3 aged between 20.and 11 and almost a year ago I went on a date with a nice guy, we arranged a second date for the following week and a third for the week after, all going well messaging everyday sometimes chatting on the phone. During these first 3 weeks he went to berlin one weekend and had his 3 boys one weekend, each time sending me photos of what he was doing including some of his sons. Our 4th date was a day long date lots of fun, he arranged activities and an amazing restaurant and we ended up sleeping together before I usually would and we hadn't the chat about exclusivity. I discussed with friends but he seemed so lovely and into me and attentive and thoughtful and came across as very open and honest so i decided not to stress i had no reason to beleive he was anything but into me and always messaging etc. The weekend after he went to his parents with his sons...again sending me pics and in the half term week went to his friends with his boys for a Halloween party again sending me pics. We met at the weekend and slept together again and the week after we had 2 dates and he officially asked me to be his girlfriend. With my ex being difficult and jealous and the pandemic things havent been easy for us but we have never argued, he has always made me feel special and has been thoughtful, attentive kind and caring, taking me away for weekends etc. We didn't meet each others children until July to be cautious but also because of the pandemic and went to cornwall for a week in the summer without children. On this holiday we chatted about when we first met and he mentioned he had been on a date just after our first date and I said so had I. We laughed about it and carried on fine, no harm early days etc.and neither of us dated anyone after our 3rd date. When I got home I went through our old messages as I couldnr remember of my date was after the 1st or 2nd date and didnt want to seem deceptive in any way and was also a little bored! I saw he had stayed at a friends over night after our 2and date who he said was upset and went out with a friend after we slept together but didnt send a photo of who he was with as he usually would either time. I asked him about this and he admitted the friend he stayed over at was a woman he dated and had told me about ... he had met her children by their 2and date but nothing happened she was just a friend and they had decided to be friends by that point and that was all.that happened. And that he really did have just drinks with a guy from work and showed me a photo on his phone from that night of them. I decided to beleive him but then 3 weeks later we were discussing the halloween party he went to with his children and he told me it was at the same womens house he stayed over at ... I was not impressed obviously and went through the messages on my phone and realised he had been with her and her children and had been staying over when he had his children too and twice had been there alone one being the one I knew about...he had been there 3 nights in total after we slept together.

He promised he was telling the truth, said he didnt want to tell me as he realised it looked so bad and at the time I never asked what friends he was at sonhebthkught I must also be dating. He swore he never slept with her, said she had some intimacy issues and there was no spark when they had kissed, which was one of the reasons they stayed friends and he always slept on the sofa as she lived over an hour away he didnt drive home. He said the kids got along and he doesnt have friends with children the same age which is true so was convenient tonmeet together but he deeply regretted introducing them and thats why he was happy to wait /agreed when we met each others children would be over 6 months into our relationship. After lots of questions he finally admitted he was sleeping with her going with his boys to her house, sleeping in her bed and the children knew. they started dating in August , the kids met each other at the end of august and each time he was sending me images of the kids he was with her and her kids who were also in some of the photos as was her house. He also slept with her after he slept with me on 3 nights, with one being 24 hours difference .

I feel in shock and have turned to friends for advice and had mixed reactions.
Some say hes a liar, he promised he was telling the truth repeatedly and he wasnt, he made up bigger exaggerated lies, I had to keep asking him to tell the truth because his story didnt make sense. He treated her terribly and was disrespectful to me, her and all the children.
Some say he wasnt in an exclusive relationship with either of us( as far as I know he said he never had the talk with her), has been faithful and a great boyfriend since so i should forgive his actions last October as it wasnt cheating..on me anyway! ).but have to work out how I feel about the lies.

We are both upset and I have said some horrible things. He has admitted he was callous and selfish and it was a mistake to go with his boys to hers at all but he was messed up from his divorce, a previous gf cheating on him.and breaking his arm and being stuck in for 3 months alone unable to drive or work and hardly able to see his boys as his ex doesnt drive..he was living in a 1 bedroom flat and his mental health wasnt great so.the days out ith the children that started as more friendly developed into a sexual relationship and he never meant to hurt anyone and had no idea in october how much I would mean to him as our relationship developed and lots of other declarations of love. He said he and her weren't exclusive and he didnt end things when he should have because of the children, he bonded with her autistic son and always planned to end the relationship after the halloween party as he promised his children they would go and they were looking forward to it.and he thought it would be kinder than cancelling especially for me when he wasnt sure at the time I wasnt seeing anyone or wanted to be exclusive

What he chose to do is horrible
To me
To her
To the children
It makes me question his morals

I cant stop thinking about him having sex with me one night and her the night before.

I do accept we werent exclusive but I really thought he was a better kind of man ...I never suspected other women because he was so available...and sending pics of kids meant I never would have guessed he was basically already in a relationship and with her and with his children

He was also messaging me kiss emojis and gifs saying I was amazing and he booked a weekend for us in the malverns while at her house, all of that combined makes me feel those first few weeks I should feel so sweet about are now sour and hurtful.and he is capable of quite deep deceit
Even though I know he did not have to answer honestly about the halloween party I also think.at some point surely one of his boys may have said something so being deceptive in august when directlunasked about his relationship with her was also wrong .
I don't feel I can trust him and I'm not sure I can look at him the same way or be intimate but also miss him so much and am upset as I had started to feel this was potentially a life.long relationship we were such a good match

Has anyone any advice or experience dealing with such a horrid situation ?

OP posts:
SunshineCake · 10/09/2020 19:12

[quote talltreewessex]@SunshineCake I love him. He’s been punished like hell and regrets it massively.

He’s as strong as an ox, my soulmate and I guess I can’t part with him. He’ll never do it again[/quote]
Yet you say you aren't feeling good about the relationship Sad.

Closetbeanmuncher · 10/09/2020 19:18

Sorry but your friends are wrong natmags keep those standards high, he's beneath you.

We've all been conned by someone I'm sure so don't get down on yourself.

maisythehorse · 10/09/2020 19:28

You did the right thing ending it, he was full of bs. I would always see other women friends as a red flag and especially ones they've previously dated, he was still dating her by the sound of it.

talltreewessex · 10/09/2020 21:11

@SunshineCake oh the paradoxical ending of a relationship.

BlueThistles · 10/09/2020 23:45

morals of an alley cat, I couldn't be with someone who treated women like this.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 10/09/2020 23:59

Na fuck that, it's not the initial mucking around it's the consistent lying. The getting the kids involved and the photos thing. I just would never trust him. He was hedging his bets deciding which of you he liked best.
For me, my boundaries and principles wouldnt allow me to continue with this guy.
This is not a man I would want as a role model to my children or someone to invest my future in. I cant stand liars.
I also wouldve ended it when I found out and it would stay ended too, I have a thing about being lied too. If they lie it's because they know they're doing wrong and if someone is knowingly doing me wrong, well they just arent worth my time, effort or energy.

ChristmasFluff · 12/09/2020 09:39

You've definitely made the right decision, OP.

Not just the lies, but the cold calculation of it - the photos etc. He was deliberately creating a fiction to draw you in - using his other date to cement his position as a family man.

It would be a mistake to stay with someone who you knew was capable of acting in such a way, and it would be foolish to trust this untrustworthy man.

Well done on getting rid - and in future you know that your friends are poor at relationship advice - much better to come here!

Natmags · 15/09/2020 06:21

Thanks for the advice mumsnet!
We are still split up. We have communicated a little and he has sent me presents, flowers but more importantly to me a letter apologising, admitting the complete truth that he as had to look at himself and he isnt who he thought he was or presented himself to be. His separation/ divorce hit him hard, not livingbwith his sons who I know he is very close to, having an attractive young wkman give him attention boosted his self esteem and gave him hope to, then being cheated or finding out he was lied to a few months later meant he started dating when he was still healing and bitter, was playing women, messed people about got himself into a situation he deeply regrets and while in that met me, after a few weeks wanted to stop his ways as he didnt want to lose me so didnt tell me the truth, fell in love with me over the next couple of months which healed him and his lies in august he felt were to protect me from the hurt which he knew I would feel and his own personal shame at what he had done whilst all the time telling himself it was early days and what had happened since meant so much more, as we would be getting married and skipping off into the sunset etc. He said hes taking steps to work on himself which I hope he is, it's all very upsetting as I do know he loves me and I love him, had he not been such a twat frankly we would be happy, in love and moving towards a life together. But he was and I can't live with that,.inwoukd bwcomena hirribkenbitter Larson and we would both suffer because of zero trust, so although this is a painful decision, it is my only option to choose a happy future for myself. I'm taking some time to heal and we have now ended contact. I do not hate him, I hope he doesn't do something silly, sorts himself out and then finds someone , treats them well from the beginning and they build a life as deep down he is just very insecure, slightly broken but a very kind and caring person who helped me personally through some issues with my ex and my mental health during lockdown. Peace and love everyone x

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/09/2020 07:01

Tall tree

I wonder if you are actually confusing love with codependency. Why are his needs seemingly here more important than yours?. Why also mention he is as strong as an ox, what does that have to do with anything?. All this person will further do here is drag you down with him.

Notcoolmum · 15/09/2020 07:11

I would normally say that until you have had the exclusivity conversation to assume they are still dating other people but this has so many more red flags.

Firstly, he deliberately misled you about where he was and with who. Sending you photos was deliberate and to reassure you he wasn't with anyone else. And created a feeling of further intimacy.

Secondly he lied. Not misled. Out and out lies.

He took his young children to the house of a virtual stranger so he could have sex. Just wrong.

He is claiming your love has 'healed' him. You are not an emotional crutch. He needs to sort himself out and that is not your responsibility.

I really wouldn't get back with him. He's not in a good place. He doesn't put his kids first. And he isn't respectful of women.

Okbutnotgreat · 15/09/2020 07:13

I must be old because when I was dating it was exclusive from the word go and anything else was two timing (shows age) but this was indeed pre internet and mobile phones etc so life was simpler.

For me I wouldn’t be able to get past that feeling and trust is everything in a relationship so sadly I think you’ve done the right thing.

Closetbeanmuncher · 15/09/2020 09:06

Fell in love with me over the next couple of months which healed him and his lies in august he felt were to protect me from the hurt which he knew I would feel

Laughable...

The whole "apology" letter just reads line after line of self indulgent toss. This was about him getting his end away with two women, and carrying it on for as long as he could get away with.

Of course it's easier to blame your ex wife rather than admit you're just a garden variety duplicitous cunt.

There would never be any happy ending with this person, he's self serving, fundamentally untrustworthy, and is still trying to exonerate himself by blaming his ex wife for "breaking" him.

I'm so glad you had the sense to bin this trash rat off.

conduitoffortune · 15/09/2020 09:19

I mean, it's a bit of a stretch blaming his ex wife for him cheating on you and another woman.

BlueThistles · 15/09/2020 09:30

I must be old because when I was dating it was exclusive from the word go and anything else was two timing (shows age) but this was indeed pre internet and mobile phones etc so life was simpler.

Yes me too 🌺

The whole "apology" letter just reads line after line of self indulgent toss. This was about him getting his end away with two women, and carrying it on for as long as he could get away with.

agreed 🌺

OP you are moving in the right direction. You will be okay. ☺️

Beamur · 15/09/2020 09:38

You've done the right thing both for you and maybe for him too. You're a dignified woman setting her boundaries, you deserve better than this guy.
Maybe he can redeem himself in future, and maybe wrecking his fledgling relationship with you might teach him a lesson in integrity.
You're right to walk away though. He's not in a good place and has already trashed your trust and soured the start of what might otherwise have been good.

Notcoolmum · 15/09/2020 17:27

@Okbutnotgreat you can be on line dating at any age. But yes the assumption of exclusivity would be a mistake in this current climate.

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