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Am I holding a grudge with PIL?

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Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 09:01

I want to avoid a drip feed so I’m sorry if this is a long post. I have been with DH for 13 years. Have a DS who is 2 and another on the way. Always had a reasonable relationship with PIL before son was born, but perhaps very ‘child/parent’ in that I would be polite, grateful and meek and they held the upper hand with being the ones to host, make decisions about our time when we were with them etc. DH would often leave the room when we visited them, leaving me to sit listening to his mum talk about the psychology of her friends or psychoanalysing my family dynamics. I always found it uncomfortable but, due to the dynamic we had, was too polite to find strategies of ending these conversations.

When pregnant with DS things started changing. We told them I was pregnant and, after initial congratulations, his mum started on a lecture about how to avoid causing emotional trauma to children. This lasted for hours. Then in pregnancy she went really cold with me - no texts/conversation. If someone made conversation like ‘I wonder what colour baby’s eyes will be’ she would noticeably leave the table.

Baby born - all over him like a rash. Intensely wanting to hold him all the time (sad, longing looks until I or DH would hand him over), frantically ‘soothing’ him and taking him to different rooms in the house, constant comments about him being cold, surely he can’t need feeding again, subtle messages about how MIL unknowingly was over-feeding her babies and was ‘saved’ by her MIL pointing it out to her. I had photos printed of DH and DS and sent to them - ignored. Texts I would send to MIL updating on how we were doing - politely responded to but no relationship sought. I felt like an incubator.

They visited once and shared how ‘hurt’ they had been at his surname (way too long a story, but trust me they were being unreasonable on this). Heated argument between DH and his parents because of this, with me and a 2mo DS upstairs.

Asked them to book a B&B to stay in because we lived in a 2-up, 2-down and it was too stressful having them in our space. All fine but then on the night MIL ‘loses’ her reservation, cue lots of tears and ‘can’t we just stay at yours?’

MIL was becoming more demanding with coming to visit. Causing significant stress for DH when he was trying to explain to her that he’d have a chat with me about possible dates (she couldn’t accept any delay). Following this I got sent a long and condescending text about prioritising family and how it’s more important to them than friends. It then turned out that she had sent this text beforehand to my DH to check it was ok (he said yes...!) before sending it to me.

We tried to communicate with them how we were feeling. This was when DS was about 4mo. This only escalated to MIL shouting - while I was holding DS - and very condescending messages of ‘we’re full of admiration that at your age you felt able to have a conversation like that with us’.

ANYWAY - since all of this I have gone very very LC with them. I have seen them once in the past year. They see DS maybe 2-3 monthly (Covid allowing) but I’ve made excuses and not been in the house. They live 5 hours away so DH going for a day trip with DS isn’t an option. DH sees them for what they are most of the time, but after a few months the FOG rears its head and he starts talking about overnight stays etc. I just can’t bare the thought of it. My own parents seem to think I should be making more effort now, and very few of my friends understand why I’m so LC with them.

Do you think I’m overreacting by continuing on this? When we last saw them I couldn’t bring myself to pretend to be warm. I was civil but definitely cold and it makes me feel so awful. There’s been other stuff but it would be too long to write out. I’m also sure I haven’t been the perfect DIL and I could have done more to reassure an insecure MIL in the early days.

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Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 09:06

I guess it’s relevant to say that when things became heated with them (when DS was 3-9mo) there was insinuation that I was tearing the family apart, making my DH unrecognisable to them etc. This was usually their response to DH asking them to stop interfering with our parenting choices or to give our DS some space. It was this repeated interaction that wore me down and made me decide to go LC, to try and save any parenting confidence I had as a FTM.

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faithfulbird · 08/09/2020 09:16

Carry on what you were already doing. It seemed like your niceness irritated them, hubby was still on your side because he saw through them, and they couldn't take that.

If you break ties and treat them rudely, they'll get hubby to warm upto them and have more visits etc. I'd say go low contact but be nice. It's not you holding the grudge, it's them being petty and wanting their own way.

violetbunny · 08/09/2020 09:23

OMG, you are not being unreasonable at all. They sound controlling and emotionally manipulative. It's only a matter of time before this starts to impact your child as well. If DH must have them overnight then I would go away for the weekend myself. Leave him to it. In the meantime, I recommend reading Toxic In Laws by Susan Forward.

ThePhoenixAndTheAshes · 08/09/2020 09:30

You're not overreacting at all. Fully justified going LC. Just be polite and no committal when you must interact. The only thing that stood out as concerning for me was your DH giving the ok to that text. He should have shut that down and stood up for you. Things like that can give the PIL the impression he's on their side and it's very much you that's the 'problem'.

loobyloo2020 · 08/09/2020 09:41

Something similar happened to my sister when she had her baby, it was terrible and there was definitely hatred there for a good few years afterwards. Same sort of thing, MIL holding baby and staring obsessionally, trying to get her to stop breastfeeding so MIL could take him out, snide comments towards my sister about what was best for baby. At one point it even got physical between them so by all accounts it was pretty horrendous. Now her son is 10 and everything is absolutely fine. They get on great. I think some MIL's freak out in the beginning and worry that they can't control things because they're not mum and not directly related to mum, but as baby grows they start to realise that baby isn't going anywhere and they calm down. I don't think you're being unreasonable because at the end of the day it's your house and your rules regarding contact and overnight stays etc but if it was me I'd reluctantly make an effort to get along because at the end of the day, as much as your DH may be on your side, it must hurt him that you don't want them around. It will probably awkward and difficult to have them over at first but over time I'm sure things will improve. And if they don't you can legitimately say that you've tried to be reasonable and it's not worked. Good luck!

ToastyCrumpet · 08/09/2020 09:47

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable at all. You don’t say much about your FIL though. Does he just go along with MIL for a quiet life?

Finkelbraun · 08/09/2020 09:51

Keeping away from these loons isn't "bearing a grudge." It's protecting yourself and your family.

They have shown you what they are.

Chamomileteaplease · 08/09/2020 09:53

I can't imagine your MIL changing into a sane person!

I don't see why you should, but to get your parents and friend to be more understanding, could you write out a list of the things the PIL have done, rather like you have here, to remind them how horrible and upsetting they are?

Personally I would keep up the LC. They sound very bad for your mental health. I just hope that your dh remains supportive to you.

Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 12:28

Thanks everyone. FIL sometimes seems to be a voice of reason, but other times he’s very much the spokesperson for MIL, and it comes out after that she actually planted the seed with him (eg, it was him that was so hurt about the surname choice, but later transpired that he was encouraged to feel hurt and raise it with us by MIL). He doesn’t seem to see this as him being manipulated.

@loobyloo2020 I really hope it can one day be a normal-ish relationship, for the sake of DH and children, but it seems so unobtainable now. I just hate that I’m a walking stereotype of an awkward ‘controlling’ DIL who keeps her in-laws at arm’s length.

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SandyY2K · 08/09/2020 12:36

What stood out to me, is that you're DH sanctioned that text message she sent. Did he think it was necessary or even reasonable?

You're MIL subs like a pain in the rear tbh and s long as you and your DH were in agendas about your DSs surname, then they should really keep they're opinions to themselves.

SandyY2K · 08/09/2020 12:37

Typo

*sounds like a pain.....

Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 12:43

@SandyY2K the text was the turning point in our relationship. He says he skim read it, thought it sounded a bit preachy but didn’t think she meant anything bad by it Hmm so gave it the go-ahead. I blew up when I found out he’d effectively proof-read an arsey text and that was the point where he eventually came to admit that a lot of her behaviour is unhinged. We’ve been completely united since that point and she knows she can’t pull tricks like that again. That boundary being drawn was met with ‘so you’re stopping me from having private conversations with my son now?’

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SandyY2K · 08/09/2020 13:38

She really sounds like hard work...but am glad you and DH are fully united on this.

Is he an only child? Does she have other GC?

Does he take your DC to see them every month? Staying over a couple of days every time?

Is his issue that you DH now wants you to stay overnights as well?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/09/2020 13:46

"I just hate that I’m a walking stereotype of an awkward ‘controlling’ DIL who keeps her in-laws at arm’s length".

I do not think you are any of the above. You are protecting your own self and your children from being further abused and otherwise mistreated at their hands. Self preservation is needed here and it is more than okay to say no more. its not your fault your inlaws are like this and your DH and you did not make them that way.

These people were not good parents either to your DH when he was growing up and he has been markedly affected; his inertia and FOG when it comes to them absolutely stands out here.

Your own relationship with them pre children was not emotionally healthy either so its of no real surprise to me that its gone downhill further since then. It was ever thus. Low contact is often a precursor to no contact as well. You are under no obligation at all to maintain or have any sort of relationship with his parents going forward.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/09/2020 13:49

Your DH still wants their approval on some level and that is why he himself sanctioned that text missive his mother sent. He is far more afraid of her than he is or ever would be of you; he perhaps at heart thinks the sky will fall in or hell will rain down on him if he upsets her in any way.

Would he be at all willing to speak to a BACP registered therapist (this person must have NO familial bias about keeping families together) about his relationship with his parents?.

Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 16:55

@SandyY2K he is an only child and so these are the only GC. And no they’ve come to visit every 2-3 months before Covid (and I’ve been out the house) and since Covid it’s been less frequent. The only reason for it being so infrequent is due to the 5 hour distance. If it was up to DH he would see them more often but for a few hours and on neutral ground. It’s just impossible to do this because of the distance. DS is yet to have a night away from me (bf until 15mo and then lockdown) and I also feel uncomfortable because I know they essentially want me out of the picture, so sending DH and DS for overnight stays at their house feels like I’m just giving her everything she wants - she will have succeeded in making me uncomfortable enough to stay out of the family picture. But is that crazy controlling speak?

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Flowerpotmen87 · 08/09/2020 16:57

@AttilaTheMeerkat DH knows he needs to seek counselling about this, but I think he’s also a bit scared at what it will uncover. He’s found it really difficult coming to terms with them not being a perfect family.

He’s come a really long way in not being scared of his mum and her reactions. He’s almost gone to another extreme of being really quickly ‘triggered’ to an angry response by her, thus making her more insecure and emotional when we see them. And it’s me that gets the blame for that change seen in him

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SandyY2K · 08/09/2020 17:23

Okay... so he's proposing they come for overnights to your house then?

after a few months the FOG rears its head and he starts talking about overnight stays etc.

Would you consider staying home to see them next time they visit and see if they've improved at all?

At least then you can say you have it a try.

Flowerpotmen87 · 20/09/2020 12:19

Sorry for the very late reply @SandyY2K. I’ve been trying not to think about it all because it just stresses me out.

DH saw them a couple of days ago for a few nights and had a really lovely, positive time. I’m happy for him that he’s experienced that but it also puts me on edge, because I know he’ll now be full of praise for them and wanting them to come and visit more often. I won’t have a leg to stand on because their behaviour is ‘good’ and I shouldn’t stand in the way of a healthy GP relationship with DS. But I know the relationship will probably only be briefly good and we’ll be back to square one.

Sorry for ranting on here. I don’t have anyone very interested to listen in real life and it gives me such anxiety.

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