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Am I going mad?!

18 replies

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 15:22

NC'd for this. I really really need some advice/clear, impartial views on this if anyone could please help!

DH and I. Together 5 years, married since November. He has 4 children from his previous marriage we see 50/50, none of my own, we have a great relationship and no issues with kids who I care for very much. All good.

Last night he came home from a works night after I picked him up. We were on the sofa and I asked him if he'd seen a funny video I sent him via whatsapp. He said no, he hasn't got any messages from me, or anyone. He says all his whatsapp chats have deleted, even the group chats which have been emptied of messages and just show the date he was added. He becomes kind of evasive when I ask him what he means and can I see, he says "It's just deleted all of them" and I had to ask at least three times before he would show me. It was empty of all one to one chats and like I said the groups were just "You were added by *** on June 2019" or whatever. He didn't seem that bothered or shocked. It was weird. I know it wasn't like that at least 20 mins before because he'd been replying to me about picking him up etc.

It was like when it factory resets or something?

So this felt really weird and something felt 'off'. He was being kind of over the top jovial as well, like he was trying to distract me. I can't explain it.

So I googled if that's something WhatsApp can do, just delete everything out of the blue. I was on his installed apps and found one called 'Secure Folder' and googled it. It's a secure app that is automatically installed on a Samsung phone that you can use to move apps, photos, different chats. (If you have a samsung phone you can find it just by searching 'Secure Folder' and it will come up)

But here's the rub.

It showed this app was last used 13 weeks ago. To be showing as used and to have the option to move photos to this secure folder (which his does) you have to create a log in, with a passcode/pin or fingerprint.

So last night when I found this app I didn't know it was automatically installed and...well....I lost my shit. Fair to say i didn't follow the timeless MN advice of biding my time, getting all information, I was just so shocked and sad. So I didn't look in the app because it looked to me like it was uninstalled (not knowing it was because it's a system app)
I regret that so much now.

Anyway so a massive argument ensues, he is in turn silent, mocking and incredulous. There were times I thought I'd got through to him. I said whatever it is just tell me we will work it out etc etc, and he went very quiet and looked like he was about to come clean to something.

But he never did.

I got his mum to come and pick him up and he stayed there tonight.
He was back this morning and, well, he says he doesn't know how all the messages deleted and he has never used the secure folder. He said he, his mum and stepdad all have it on their phone and they all looked into it when he was there last night.

When I said to him he would have had to have created an account on it to show as being used 13 weeks ago he said "I must have done it not knowing what it is, out of curiosity"
He is very into his phone, it was around this time he got a new upgrade so I guess that's plausible.

Oh god. Can someone please hand me some more straws to clutch??

Why didn't he say all this last night? Why didn't he ask me to explain what app, what did I mean, where is it, what is it??

But I believe him. I think. I don't know. He seems so contrite. He's sworn on mine and his kids lives. He says we should go to counselling. I have apologised.

I'm sorry this is so long. Anyone who has read this far. Please help.

OP posts:
simone1863 · 06/09/2020 15:35

My WhatsApp deletes everything all the time. Most often at 2am when something happens to interfere with the backing up process.

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 15:37

Thank you @simone1863
Maybe we could see when his phone last updated or backed up?

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 06/09/2020 15:39

It sounds like you really don't trust him at all.

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 15:41

I don't. Hence he suggested couples counselling.

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emilybrontescorsett · 06/09/2020 15:47

Do you have a reason to distrust him?
Quite frankly I forget things all the time, passwords where I have put secure items. However I'm a firm believer in trusting your gut feeling. Does something seem off to you?

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 15:50

@emilybrontescorsett it did and has done a lot at times. We'd been together about 6 months when I found out he was on Tinder. Other stuff, like money issues he hides from me.

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TOFO1965 · 06/09/2020 16:25

If you don’t have trust you really have bugger all. I feel for you. I hope you find your way.

LovingLola · 06/09/2020 16:28

Why on earth would you get his mother to come and get him?? Is she heavily involved in your relationship in some weird way?

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 06/09/2020 16:39

There’s no trust here is there. If my husband said his WhatsApp’s had deleted I’d probably say oh that’s weird, and we’ve move on.

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 16:42

Thank you @TOFO1965 it's horrendous. I love him so much. I need to sort it out. It's never been this bad before, last night was the first time it got out of hand. Before that I've managed to keep it mainly under control.

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IveGotFrills · 06/09/2020 16:44

OP, all he has to do is delete the entire WhatsApp app from his phone then go to AppStore and get the app again and it will ask him whether he wants to restore deleted messages. Be there when he does. I have never had this happen to my messages nor heard of anyone who has.

Notthetoothfairy · 06/09/2020 16:48

@Matilda400

Thank you *@TOFO1965* it's horrendous. I love him so much. I need to sort it out. It's never been this bad before, last night was the first time it got out of hand. Before that I've managed to keep it mainly under control.
It sounds like it’s your spidey senses tingling as you have reason not to trust him. This is not something you need to get under control!
LovingLola · 06/09/2020 16:52

And to be honest you can’t spend the next decade of your life in this way
Start separation proceedings

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 17:10

@LovingLola I'm this way because of my own shortcomings and a lying ex. I need to work on myself , it's not fair on DH anymore.

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LunaLoved · 06/09/2020 17:17

Your own shortcomings ?

No your current DH is a lying prat.

Leave him.

TorkTorkBam · 06/09/2020 17:21

I would say you have not kept it under control in the past. You have kept it suppressed.

Matilda400 · 06/09/2020 17:28

@TorkTorkBam yes that's a better word.

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TorkTorkBam · 06/09/2020 17:34

[quote Matilda400]@LovingLola I'm this way because of my own shortcomings and a lying ex. I need to work on myself , it's not fair on DH anymore.[/quote]
Er, what? It is not fair on your DH that you are angry because he has cheated on you repeatedly from six months into your relationship? My goodness he has done a number on your sense of normality.

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