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I think I'm insane

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MarieGold · 28/08/2020 20:10

I'm so sorry, this is long.

I don’t think I know who I am anymore. I’m starting to wonder if I’m insane, if I can’t distinguish between fantasy and reality.

A month ago I was assaulted by my partner. He’d had a number of concerns around my honesty, integrity and fidelity, but I told myself he was insecure, or that I had inadvertently caused it. He was otherwise gentle and the assault came as a complete shock to me. I reported it to the police.

A few days ago, the same day his bail conditions were lifted, I received an email from him. At first glance it was filled with love, care and concern. He told me that he cried for me in his cell. He cried for me because I must have been in such a dark place to make up the allegations. He said he was in shock and disbelief. He said that we both know he didn’t assault me, that he’s concerned for my wellbeing and that he is there for me, a ‘port in the storm’, despite it all. He also said that he had been listening in to some of my conversations with friends, where apparently I had told them I didn’t love him among other things, which I have never done. But now I wonder, maybe I did?

I think that maybe I am crazy. I remember the assault clearly. I remember the way it felt, the way things looked, the way he looked. But how do I know my memories are real? Am I delusional? I had bruises. I have photos of the bruises. They didn’t get there on their own. But maybe they did?

When I was a child, I was sexually, physically and emotionally abused by my parents. When I was 22 I confronted them, having been mostly NC since I was 15. They denied it. They told me I was crazy. Imagining things. That I needed to take medication. Making it up. Lying.

He regularly told me I had memory problems. If I even misquoted him or somebody else slightly, it was proof I couldn’t remember things properly. At first I snapped back that there was nothing wrong with my memory, but over time it became so convincing that I believed him. I even started taking memory tests online and mentioned it to a doctor. Does not being able to remember a conversation verbatim constitute memory problems? I genuinely don’t know anymore.

There were so many things about me he said weren’t normal. It wasn’t normal not to tell him everything, even if it was something from years ago that I thought didn’t concern him. It wasn’t normal to stay at a friend’s house later than I said I would. It wasn’t normal not to want him turning up on my doorstep with no prior warning (‘you’re my girlfriend!’), it wasn’t normal not to want him coming into the hairdressers looking for me when I hadn’t even told him exactly which hairdressers I was going to, it wasn’t normal to not want to have sex every day because all his previous girlfriends did (we had a very good sex life until I began to feel depressed and smothered).

A few months into the relationship, on learning I had been in abusive relationships in the past, he became very concerned I would accuse him of being abusive. So much so that, unbeknown to me, he contacted one of the abusive ex-partners and went to meet him to talk about his concerns. He didn’t seem to think there was anything wrong with this, but told me repeatedly that I didn’t seem capable of having a normal, healthy relationship.

I was abnormal, untrustworthy, a liar. I lost count of the number of times he said, ‘You lied to me’ and each time I wouldn’t have a clue what he was talking about. He was convinced I was having an affair with a male friend. There was a horrible incident that involved me not coming home when I said I would and having to put him on speakerphone to prove I wasn't alone with my friend, him coming round and causing a scene etc. On a number of occasions he did the 'I know' thing, expecting a confession. He was convinced I'd slept with somebody else because I changed the sheets. But at the same time he thought I was amazing, said he had never loved anyone as much as he loved me, told me how strong he thought I was, how talented. He was kind and gentle and almost never lost his temper, and most of the time it felt loving and fun.

I have never felt so confused in my whole life. I’m not a ‘vulnerable’ person despite how it may seem. I’m very good at spotting unpleasant behaviours in people on the whole, just not when it comes to relationships. I’m very independent, confident and resilient. Or at least I was.

I’m questioning my sanity. I can feel his eyes on me as I’m writing this, shaking his head, telling me I’m a liar, that I need help. His words go round and round in my head, and now my parents’ words are there too. He’s so concerned for me that I would make such things up. I’ve been in a daze since I received his email and have even considered taking my life. It feels like confirmation he was right about my 'dark place' - I can only think about how the world would be better off without me. It’s like my brain has been blown apart and I don’t know who I am anymore.

I don’t know why I’ve written all this or even what I’m trying to achieve. I contacted my local domestic violence organisation this morning but I’m still waiting for them to get back to me. I don’t think I can be helped because I don’t know what I need help for. What he did to me, or the fact I'm apparently a disturbed, pathological liar in a dark place.

OP posts:
Taffydog · 28/08/2020 20:21

I don’t think you’re crazy or imagining a thing - he’s an extremely manipulative nasty piece of work and I don’t think any of the ‘nice’ behaviour your describe was nice at all. He’s clearly a dangerous and evil piece of work and I’m glad you’re away from him. Keep working with women’s aid - you’ve been amazing to have reported this, I’d inform the police of the email as it could be witness intimidation as well. Don’t doubt yourself - I’m a stranger and can tell from what you’ve written you’re not crazy or imagining anything!!

Taffydog · 28/08/2020 20:22

Please speak to the crisis team if those feelings of wanting to take your life are still there or I hope you have someone in real life you can call for support.

firecracker69 · 28/08/2020 20:35

I remember your last post vividly. I remember just how traumatised you were after he'd abused you and chased you down the street. How fucking dare he twist it all around? What a manipulative, vile human being. He knows you're very vulnerable and he's used this against you in the worst way. This speaks volumes about the "man" he is.

I know what lengths you went to with the police and how distressing it was for you. Has he not been told to cut contact with you? Block the piece of shit. Safe the evidence. Don't reply to him.

You are not crazy. You have emotionally and physically violated by this man. ❤️

FlissMumsnet · 28/08/2020 20:36

Hello MarieGold,

We are really sorry to hear you are feeling this way.

We hope you don't mind, but when any of our users are in this position we usually add a link to our Mental Health resources.
You can also go to the Samaritans website, or email them on [email protected]. Support from other Mumsnetters is great and we really hope you will be able to take some comfort from your fellow posters, but as other MNers will tell you, it's really a good idea to seek RL help and support as well.

We really hope things look a lot brighter for you soon
Flowers

Mistlewoeandwhine · 28/08/2020 20:41

You’ve been horribly abused by your parents and I suspect that those experiences have made it harder for you to spot the fact that this guy is really abusive to you. You need to get away from him as soon as possible. What he does to you is not love. It is the opposite. Good luck and I hope you stay safe xxx

Rigamorph · 28/08/2020 20:48

As above, what others have said, but also send/share the pictures of the bruises with someone you know in real life (if not too intimate). They are all the proof you need that this is REAL. I say share them in case somehow he manages to get hold of them and delete them.

Rainagain72 · 28/08/2020 20:55

I think he is a very dangerous man OP and a lot of his abuse is textbook ...including most noticeably the gas-lighting. I was in a similar situation and it’s taken me 4 years and severe PTSD to realise it. Please don’t waste your life like I did...your post comes across as being written by a level headed (and sane!) but vulnerable person. You’re not mad and the police will have seen the like of him before...sadly it’s not uncommon.

allthedamnvampires · 28/08/2020 21:02

OP I'd echo the advice you've been given. You are a gifted writer. If you don't write already, consider using your talent to help your recovery and document your life to help show yourself you're not insane. Have you had any therapy for the abuse you suffered? EMDR was v helpful for me in coming to terms with the abuse from my parents. Thanks

firecracker69 · 28/08/2020 21:09

Please chat to us. We've all been there.

Quartz2208 · 28/08/2020 21:15

You are not disturbed or a liar he was just a very abusive man.

I do suggest counselling though

SoulofanAggron · 28/08/2020 21:15

It's gaslighting hun, it's very common. They do it to make the person think they haven't abused/assaulted them when they have, or to fuck with them so they're screwed up and easier to control (plus they enjoy messing with people.)

Do you have children? If not, block him. If so, only communicate what you need to about the DC, or even just don't, wait for it to go through the courts, custody, contact etc. If/when he gets convicted of assault it'll count against him in any family court.

But I hope you can just get rid of him.

You need to go as no/limited contact as you can.

And yes, a therapist could help you feel more confident in your perceptions of the world again. Your awareness and cognition are completely healthy I'm sure.

mysuperpowerisme · 28/08/2020 21:25

Most abusers deny deny deny and some of them genuinely don't think they did anything wrong /abused anyone

updownroundandround · 28/08/2020 21:48

You did not imagine the assault.

You are not mad/ crazy.

Your 'DP' is a violent, abusive liar who will stop at nothing to try to confuse you.

As PP said, send the pics to someone in RL if you can, get them printed, send them to a friend.

Phone someone you can talk to about the assault e.g friend/ Samaritans/ Womens aid/ police and tell them he is gaslighting you and trying to make you believe the assault didn't happen. You know it did, as do the police.

Do not allow him to contact you again. Block him on email/ phone/ SM, everything.

You are totally and entirely sane, you did not get those bruises from doing the bloody dishes, did you ? NO !

But I think you should to talk to someone about your self harm thoughts. Would you phone the Samaritans so you have someone to talk to ?

GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 22:09

Your first post about his assault was very clear.

People encouraged you to report and and you followed up to say one of the police involved was inappropriately sympathetic towards your ex in a comment about him.

People encouraged you to report/complain about that too, and I'm.not sure if you did but given you were reluctant to report the assault and were traumatised, noone could blame you if you haven't.

Then you followed up to say the police had kind of fucked up their investigation of the assault and left it ages to ask around the building,preview CCTV etc. and we're taking it no further ... That was incredibly frustrating and maddening to read as a totally detached observer so I can only imagine how it felt as the assault victim.

I think people encouraged you to complain about it but again, anyone would understand why you'd not feel like doing it esp because you seemed to be suffering from trauma from the assault. I suggested you stay with family or someone but had no idea about your family background and you didn't want to."burden" friends.

Nothing you have said in here at any point seemed unclear, unhinged or anything like that. From what you said about your ex's behaviour, it was clear he is unhinged and s massive gas lighter.

He had obviously decided to gas light his way out of the assault too.

You can t do anything about his behaviour, all you can do is not let him affect you. You know what happened, you know what he's like, you're out of the relationship now and that's the best thing ever.

I'm very sorry to hear about your upbringing, that's harrowing. That sort of gas lighting is also endemic with child abusers.

I can only suggest a good counsellor to help you cope with your upbringing and this relationship.

There's nothing wrong with you, and you're well rid of him.

rvby · 28/08/2020 22:12

@MarieGold my ex made me feel the same way many times. I'm holding your hand, I'm so sorry you are feeling so dark right now.

Can you try to return to your body a little bit - try to come back to the present moment.

Tell us about what you can see in your vicinity- nothing outing - go to a window or something and just listen to the sounds or take in the sights nearby, and write them down.
Smell the air and write down the scent you detect.
Is there something soft you can pick up and brush your skin with?

Come back to us lovely. Feel the floor under your feet, take some breaths.

You are still here and he has no power over you. He's just a man. There are billions like him. He isn't special, he isn't God.

Keep talking to us, stay with us until the darkness passes.

GilbertMarkham · 28/08/2020 22:14

Have you spoken to women's aid at all? They could perhaps be of help.

They have an online chat service as well as local branches and Tel no.

MarieGold · 28/08/2020 22:24

I’m here, reading. I feel too mixed up to say anything much right now but I’m very grateful for your kind replies. I’ve been trying to ground myself. I can feel the warmth of my body, hear the humming of the fridge and see the light of a candle.

Apparently the thing with the police was a misunderstanding as they thought I wasn’t going to give a statement, but in the end I dropped it because I didn’t have any confidence in them. I can’t believe how quickly he contacted me.

OP posts:
MarieGold · 28/08/2020 22:25

I don’t even feel safe here. I feel like he’s watching me all the time, like he’s going to appear in this thread telling me I’m a liar. But saying this makes me think I really do sound insane.

OP posts:
rvby · 28/08/2020 22:56

@MarieGold

I don’t even feel safe here. I feel like he’s watching me all the time, like he’s going to appear in this thread telling me I’m a liar. But saying this makes me think I really do sound insane.
If you're insane, I was also insane for years.

Seriously love, many of us have felt as you do. This is how headfuck men operate, they get you into a state where you don't know what on earth is happening and its terribly scary.

You have a lot of power here. You can block him and never respond to him ever, and that alone will ensure you keep your power. You can deadbolt the doors from inside, install a Nest camera or similar. Tell your friends whats happened. Find a Spyware scan for your devices.

Make a list of ways to take power back and keep the power you have, and start tonight, even if its just placing that Amazon order.

This is how you defend against people who use these tactics - you put yourself at a distance, and then take action to consolidate your power and security.

This guy can't get you unless you start ceding power to him. So do not let that happen.

firecracker69 · 28/08/2020 23:13

Men like him follow the same predictable pattern. They always get back in touch and attempt to hoover and manipulate further. You can take control of this by blocking him. You will regain owner over him. He's weak and attempting to project onto you.

I'm very sorry to learn of your very traumatising childhood. You're clearly a lovely, kind hearted person, who has a lot to give. We are all here for you.

There's some wonderful words of wisdom and support here. I hope you find comfort in that.

firecracker69 · 30/08/2020 12:03

How are you doing?

MarieGold · 30/08/2020 14:25

Yesterday was difficult... my mind was in fog and I struggled again with thoughts of ending my life. My therapist saw me at short notice which helped. His ‘you must have been in such a dark place to make up those allegations’ comment was going round and round in my head. He really touched a raw nerve with that one.

Today has been a little bit better but I’ve been feeling very sad. Stupid things get to me, like changing the sheets and putting a new pillowcase on ‘his’ pillow Hmm

All the signs were there, I just didn’t want to see them. This morning I was thinking about the time I had to show him my WhatsApp messages. At first I’d refused, but I was so weary from it that I thought it would be easier just to let him because I had nothing to hide. He spent ages scrolling through messages from a male friend until I stopped him and said it was unfair on my friend, that the messages were intended for me, not him. It was like he wanted to take down the walls of my mind and replaced them with glass. He wanted to see everything I was thinking at any given moment. It wouldn’t surprise me if he were reading this thread.

I’m still shocked by his message. I was pretty sure he’d get in touch with me but naively thought he would apologise. I can’t work out if he’s a liar, in denial, psychotic or a combination of all three. Or maybe I am. Whatever the case, he’s not the person I was in love with.

OP posts:
Dery · 30/08/2020 15:02

"It was like he wanted to take down the walls of my mind and replaced them with glass. He wanted to see everything I was thinking at any given moment. It wouldn’t surprise me if he were reading this thread."

Dear OP - you are one hell of a strong person - you got through your abusive childhood and had sufficient clarity of boundaries to go NC with your parents at age 15. That's amazing. Your instincts also told you that your ex's behaviour was off but because his violence was emotional and psychological rather than physical you didn't immediately recognise it for violence. But as soon as he was physically violent, you took the steps you needed to protect yourself.

Your memories will be correct. Memories do fade with time (I'm talking years, not months) so it would make sense to have a back-up copy of the photos so that you have them preserved for the future. You might also want to keep this thread and any previous ones which describe the abuse.

All the behaviour you describe is abuse. You might find it enlightening to read "The Mind of the Intimate Male Abuser: How He Gets Into Her Head". I think you will recognise a lot of your boyfriend's behaviour in that. One thing the author makes clear - based on his work with domestic abusers - is that they are all capable of physically harming their partners. If they haven't done it yet, it's because they haven't felt like they needed to do it - they've felt they had sufficient control without it.

And remember his emotional and psychological abuse is also violence and can be extremely damaging - just as it has damaged and traumatised you. Your mistrust of yourself is a result of his behaviour (all intentional by the way; he wants you to trust him ahead of yourself). The actions you describe - reading your private messages; questioning you intensively about your past and about things that have nothing to do with him; tracking you down when you're out and about; talking to abusive exes - those actions are all at the psycho end of things.

Abusers don't generally accept that they are abusive - if they started looking properly at how they behaved they would not be able to bear themselves. So they don't. He has already started making up his narrative. He's creating a trail of communications which supports his story. Abusers do that, too. I've seen it because I have helped some victims of DV obtain non-molestation orders. Abusers will send texts which say things like "Stop swearing and screaming at me in front of the children", "You're lucky I didn't tell the police about the time you hit me" and so on. It's all utter bollocks aimed at creating a false narrative. That's what he's doing.

Block him. He is utter poison and you need him out of your life. If he continues to contact you, you can apply for a non-molestation order. Breaching that is a criminal offence.

Do you have any friends who can come and be with you for a few days and support you through this difficult time?

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