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DS in abusive relationship, need advice

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Worried9 · 17/08/2020 11:21

Looking for some advice.

DS and her female friend have both been (repeatedly) sexually assaulted by their mutual (male) friend (coercing them into sexual acts, physical touching without consent). I am quite close with the female friend and she has been honest with me about that has happened and I am offering her support. We know my DS has also been sexually assaulted because when she told my DS about her experiences DS said that he had done the same to her. DS has however downplayed the severity of these acts, I think partly as a way of protecting herself emotionally and partly because she is being manipulated by him. Since this conversation DS and their abuser have become increasingly close, from an outside perspective I think they are in (an abusive) relationship. The female friend has now, understandably, cut all ties with my DS - DS began to gaslight her and insist that neither one of them have been abused.

It is the female friend who has told me about all of this, DS isn't aware that I know, DS maintains to me that her and the abuser are just friends and nothing more. DS has told me that her and the female friend are no longer speaking, she's said it's because the friend is delusional and lies all the time. I'm very reluctant to let my DS know what I know because, if I do, I fear I too will be demonised and pushed away. I want her to be able to tell me in her own time when she's ready.

He was also extremely emotionally abusive to the female friend, calling her names, shouting at her in front of people, saying he wished she were dead etc. Additionally he has been diagnosed with depression earlier in the year and before female friend cut contact with DS, DS (in response to his outbursts) would often mention he 'isn't in a good place' and that she needs to support him. I suspect he has been threatening suicide as part of his emotional abuse.

I have expressed concern to her, but framed it in the way that I know he has mental health problems and I'm worried that she's giving him a lot of support and she needs to prioritise her own wellbeing. I've also pointed out that she has a pattern of romantic partners with deep issues who she tries to 'save' and that although it is admirable that she is a caring person who wants to help people, this has ended badly for her in the past and she deserves better.

Basically I wondered if anyone has any advice about how best to support my DS. On one hand I feel I need to remain a person she can trust and talk to when she's ready and I want to let her come to me in her own time. On the other hand I'm scared that each day they are together he is gaining more control over her.

I love her so much and want to protect her and I don't know how best to do that. From reading posts I'm aware that sadly there are a lot of women on here who have been in abusive relationships and I wondered whether there was anything friends or relatives did that significantly helped, especially prior to your realisation that the relationship was abusive. Right now I think he has successfully convinced her that he isn't abusive and that it wasn't sexual assault.

I realise this is very long so thank you for reading.

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Worried9 · 17/08/2020 16:37

Bumping this up in the hope someone sees it and replies. Sorry it's so long

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OnceUponALorry · 17/08/2020 16:45

Sorry you and your daughter are going through this.

Is the female friends willing to go to the police?

Personally I think I'd go to the police for advice if this were my child.

Aknifewith16blades · 17/08/2020 19:39

DS = D(ear) Sister?

Sadly I think there is very little you can do to help. You could try talking to her and share your concerns, but if she isn't ready to hear you, there isn't much you can do. Trauma bonding and the effects of abuse can make it hard to think straight.

Make sure she knows she always turn to you, if she needs to (if that's something you can offer).

Encourage her to do a Clare's Law application.

Women's Aid has some advice for friends/ family: www.womensaid.org.uk/the-survivors-handbook/im-worried-about-someone-else/

Aknifewith16blades · 17/08/2020 19:46

And I'm sorry that that probably isn't what you want to hear. Your love and concern shine through.

Worried9 · 17/08/2020 21:39

Thank you so much for your replies. It means a lot that anyone has taken the time to read and reply.

Sorry, new to Mumsnet not so clearly not quite got the acronyms right!

Ds is my sister. Everyone involved is adult. My sister is 28, her friend is 19, their abuser is in their early 20's.

Friend is considering the police but without any concrete evidence I'm unsure how helpful it would be. Perspectives on this would also be gladly recieved.

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SusansSassySidePony · 17/08/2020 21:47

As a PP said, it's difficult to intervene in any meaningful way until your DSIS is ready to listen. In the meantime all you can do is be there for her, let her know she can call on you or come to you at any time. She would benefit from counselling. She would benefit from the Freedom Programme but she doesn't sound ready for either yet. I wonder if she'd engage with either under the pretext of helping you. Did you both grow up in an abusive family?

Worried9 · 17/08/2020 23:30

I'm not sure how I'd describe the family we grew up in. Neither of us were victims of DV as children but the relationship between our parents was very unhealthy. My dad continuously had affairs that we all knew about, he has a very short temper and my mum did, and still does, walk on eggshells around him at times. He wasn't physically violent but extreme bad moods, sulking for want of a better word, slamming doors, shouting, swearing. I am very low contact with my dad due to this, she still talks to him regularly. My dad has reached out to me recently and I'm considering suggesting the four of us have some private family therapy (my dad could afford this). Could be a good first step into counselling for her but not sure if anyone else in the family would be willing.

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Worried9 · 17/08/2020 23:33

I've had private therapy to help me with my own episodes of depression, I've been on anti depressants for most of my adult life but I think overall I have my mh more in check than the rest of the family. I know my triggers, I have stopped engaging in harmful coping mechanisms and am generally doing well. But the worry about her is starting to really take over, I'm losing sleep and desperate to do something, anything that might help, but as a loss as to what that might look like. She knows she can come to me if she has a problem, but atm she doesn't believe there to be a problem.

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