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Existing in a marriage.

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AngryPancake · 01/08/2020 17:20

My marriage is complicated. I’ve not been happy for a number of years now but I have to exist in it because there’s no fees able way I can leave or afford to leave.

My Husband works for a family business. I’ve been with him for 25 years and we have 3 DC 15,12, 10.

I’m a sociable person. He hates people. He really dislikes my friends and now refuses to have anything to do with them. I am very passionate about my hobbies, my husband has no interests of his own and he hates mine. One in particular he’s regularly rude unsupportive and vocally offensive about. He is also an incredibly jealous person and often becomes difficult to live with if something really gets to him.

I really don’t like to admit this but I don’t enjoy intimacy with him any more. I feel guilty because he does tell me that I’m beautiful and he loves me, but I hate myself. The other problem is that he hasn’t been to a dentist for 12 years. He’s “scared” of them and says that his teeth are fine. But he has such terrible breath that it puts me off. We haven’t kissed for years.

He often gropes and grabs at me for his own gratification, and most mornings will see to his own needs. I understand that, and I will usually go along with it.

He’s frequently huffy. He often tells me that I’m unreasonable and selfish when I ask him to do things. He works almost 7 days a week and I do understand he’s tired, but god at least 10 years everything that isn’t the business has just been left to practically decompose.

I can’t leave him, it’s just not happening as we are in a financially impossible situation. If I were to leave him I really don’t think he’d carry on, I know he’s probably depressed but he does nothing about it other than pile pressure on me as being his “everything”.

The kids however are happy. We go through patches of arguing. He sulks often and goes to bed early most nights. He would rather spend the evening on his phone than interact with me though.

His idea of important is the whole family constantly spending family time together. This involves sitting in the living room watching rubbish on tv and him on his phone.

I don’t work as he had traditional views when we were younger that I foolishly just accepted. Now the truth is we can’t afford childcare.

I’ve suffered depression and anxiety over the last few years. Initially brought on specifically by his behaviour. I feel that everything I ever do I have to ask his permission for. There are things I know I’ll never be allowed to do. Going away for girly weekends or more than one night for example unless it’s specifically for a big birthday situation is always a complete nightmare, and he tells me as a mother that shouldn’t be doing it. There’s so much he hates that it leaves me feeling massive resentment and frustration. Everything we do MUST be as a family.

I know that this is a highly complex situation, and I hope I’ve been able to explain things, but what I need is help to work out how I carry on existing in our marriage. It’s getting harder and harder. I’m 42, and I know I could have another 30 years of living like this.

OP posts:
AngryPancake · 02/08/2020 10:28

I don’t feel financially abused, as he gives me money every month as “wages” and he doesn’t question what I do with it. I do have a lot of bills that I have to pay from it but that’s fine. At the moment assets aren’t worth much as things with the business were so incredibly bad that it’s all been sucked in. As I say it’s a very complicated situation. I feel like such a failure because I’ve allowed this to happen and for me to stand by someone who I don’t believe likes me very much as a person.

He often says I’m planning to run off with XXZ (I’ve NEVER been unfaithful to him in 25 years! Not once. We had times in our youth when he would ditch me for the lads and his living fit the weekend lifestyle but he was always still in the background, so any encounters weren’t me being unfaithful because I was single, and I was confident on the inside then so I didn’t hang about!)

He tells me often he’s a reasonable, easy going and nice person. It just makes me feel guilty. I absolutely know I’m not always easy to live with. I’ve never particularly liked any version of myself over the years. But the manner in which we were brought up are pretty opposing. Neither perfect, but we definitely see relationships and what is acceptable in different ways.

I feel like he owns me sometimes. I hate asking for his permission to do stuff. I hate all the questions about things that he doesn’t “approve” of because it makes me feel like I’m doing something wrong.

I hate his lack of support.

Most of all I hate the constant feeling of guilt, self-doubt and anxiety.

I know lockdown has made things harder for many, but it hasn’t affected his solitary lifestyle or work commitments at all. Everything I do and everything I love has been massively disrupted and I find it difficult to deal with on top of everything else.

OP posts:
AngryPancake · 02/08/2020 10:32

When things are going ok though, there is a sense of acquiesce and it’s peaceful.

He always manages to bring up something to ruin things though. There are a few things he doesn’t like me doing that he’s “banned” me from. It’s really ridiculous but again it falls back to jealousy. He says it doesn’t but it does.

OP posts:
category12 · 02/08/2020 10:35

You're only 42. You could have a completely different life if you took the leap.

Read about coercive control www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/coercive-control/

suggestionsplease1 · 02/08/2020 10:35

OP I feel so sad reading your posts, you seem completely immersed in what you perceive as an inescapable situation. There's a reason at every turn blocking you. Have you ever heard of 'learned helplessness'? I think you've been thwarted in so many areas for so long that you can't see solutions any more. You are also not responsbile for your husband's mental health so don't think of this as a reason you need to stay. His mental health is his own respsonsibility.

I really don't think you can improve this within the relationship, I think it's going to need a dramatic and brave leap of faith from you to move outside it and onwards to happiness. These could be difficult times as your husband may sense you moving away and pull out all the emotional and financial pulls to prevent this, but be strong and go to good family and friends to support you.

Dery · 02/08/2020 10:35

Out of interest, OP - you were 17 when you got together with your H. How old was he?

Lelophants · 02/08/2020 10:36

When men have needs they masturbate. The fact he's groping you asleep is disgusting!! How awful! OP this isnt normal and no wonder it makes you feel creepy and weird.

AngryPancake · 02/08/2020 10:53

He was 23.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/08/2020 11:05

You were targeted by him, I have no doubt at all about that. He saw a vulnerable young adult in you. What was your life like at home then, I do not think home was all that great either.

What is your definition of an abuser?. He has and actively continues to emotionally and physically isolate, abuse and further control you and in turn any children who are also caught up in his private based war against you. He had further conditioned you to believe that you would be alone and or not manage without him.

marriedwithhounds · 02/08/2020 17:04

You deserve to be happy. You only live once.

category12 · 02/08/2020 17:10

In a couple of years, your eldest will be the age you were when you got together. What does that make you feel like?

Would you want your dc to be in similar relationships when they're older?

Tappering · 02/08/2020 21:46

How old are the children?

Tappering · 02/08/2020 21:48

Sorry, just seen the ages in your OP.

You talk about leaving once the kids have left home. Even if you say that's when they leave for Uni (assuming they go), that's another eight years.

I would start by speaking to your GP. Get it on record what he's doing to you. Then call women's aid.

IdblowJonSnow · 02/08/2020 22:33

OP I feel heartbroken for you reading this.
He has abused you in so many ways.
I would beg you to get in touch with women's aid for support and advice.
This is no life. You have to get out.
If you split up he would have to help out with collecting the kids or arranging other provision.
They are growing up thinking this arrangement is normal and it isnt.
Please, seriously think about this.
But please also be careful, cover your tracks and delete your browsing history.
He won't kill himself without you, these men never do.
He's trampled all over you. You owe him absolutely nothing. Don't wait until the kids are older. You're still fairly young and can have a new life without him.
Single and on benefits sounds 100 times more appealing to me than the life you've described.
Can you confide in your family? Or any friends from your hobby?
I wonder if there is anything you can do to transfer the debt into his name? Can anyone advise regarding that? CAB might be able to help?

IdblowJonSnow · 02/08/2020 22:38

What has he banned you from doing?
You sound great OP, I can tell you've a real inner reserve of strength and resilience. You're also obviously intelligent and articulate from your posts. I bet you've got loads going for you.

PermanentTemporary · 02/08/2020 23:41

God this sounds so tough.

I can't bear men who ditch everything else in their lives so that they can use a woman as a total support system. Their rejection of any responsibility for their own functioning and health. Fuck, it's so common. No I won't go to the doctor, won't go to the dentist, won't do any basic grooming, won't consider my mental health or hers, or that anybody could help. I'll just work, where I get praise and validation and money, keep all that money from my wife, and spend the rest of my time lying on top of her relaxing while she has the life choked out of her.

If you want to stay I would start with a dentist's appointment for him - it is actively unsafe not to visit the dentist anyway, never mind the possibility of him actually becoming kissable - and a job for you. With the latter being the big priority.

I would expect tbh that either things will improve a lot when you have your own income, or that his bad treatment of you will escalate dramatically as he feels insecure. So there is a third thing - to get some legal advice. Do you have any way to save for at least one session with a lawyer? Get the advice now so you know where you stand, and if things go really pear shaped when you show signs of being a separate person from him, you have the information you need. If things get better, that's great.

PermanentTemporary · 02/08/2020 23:42

Start a separate thread about getting a job. Can I tell you right now that every woman I know - and a few men - had a big dip in confidence after time at home with children. Every one got a good job anyway. yes it's tough at the moment but there's no time like the present.

WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 02/08/2020 23:54

Have a think about what could do some training in that would lead to a good safe career. Your youngest is off to secondary soon so you will have time during the day to study part time. Maybe teaching or anything really that you are interested in and there is plenty of work in. Tell H that you need more now that DCs are growing up and its not negotiable, plus you want to help out more financially. Studying will help with your self esteem and once you are trained and employed the world will open up and you will have choices.

category12 · 03/08/2020 06:50

And for gods sake, if he says you can work for the family business, say no. You'd never see any money.

Pippin2028 · 03/08/2020 08:59

You are still 42 and you don't want to spend the next 30-40 years of your life like this, I understand your difficult predicament but you could take a few tough decisions now and have a great life in a few years. To begin with if you could get a part time job in a supermarket or small cafe, this will increase your self confidence to do something for you. Your kids are old enough so that you can have time to do something for you.

BubblyBarbara · 03/08/2020 09:17

If your 42 year old daughter came to you in the future with the very same story, what would you advise her? I know it’s hard but you need to find a way to resolve this situation as he sounds absolutely vile Sad

roarfeckingroarr · 03/08/2020 11:55

Men do not have needs that you have to meet. Reading that made me feel sick. You poor thing. Get out. You have one life.

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