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sleeping with my boss. Not coping, addicted, in a horrible cycle

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floggingadeadcamel · 31/07/2020 19:14

I’m 33. I am sleeping with my boss. He’s 55. He's on the board of the company. He pursued me, initiated it and came on very strong 2 years ago saying I am his soulmate.

He is not married. His wife left him for cheating on her five years ago. This is widely known at our company. At the beginning of his and my relationship (if you could call it that) he also slept with some other people. At the weekends he dates women his own age “”for respectability’s sake.” Yes I know - he’s an absolute prize!

Nobody at work knows that we are sleeping together (I understand that they might be able to tell, less so during covid but it’s not an open secret or anything like that)

I’m miserable because it was a really stupid idea to enter into this sexual/personal/professional relationship with someone superior to me, but now I am in a cycle of addiction/abuse/hot and cold behaviour/S&M (introduced by him) that I don’t even know the first steps to get out of it emotionally or professionally.

He cycles between lovebombing me, calling and wanting to see me constantly, joking around, going out for dinner, taking me away on holiday, calling me his girlfriend, telling me he loves me, holding me up as a shining example in front of other people at work, helping me progress my career, taking me to senior meetings (that are above my level but great opportunities) and then dropping me like a light, going silent for days, treating me over-professionally, formally and critically, saying nothing I do is right. When he does this it’s almost like I cannot function. I can't eat or sleep or find any joy. I feel like my self esteem rests so much on him, that even an email or a text during these periods of silence where I don’t know where he is or what he is doing or where I stand, will make my heart beat through my chest in relief or pain or desperation.

Every time I am with him and things are going well, I feel like the sun is shining on me. Every time we are apart I wonder what he is doing and I feel I don’t know who I am or who he is. I work 70+ hour weeks and the only person I see outside of work Is him. When that world drops away it feels like a bottomless pit. If I take an objective step back I see that he is a very average bloke, and not a nice person, I did not even fancy him or like him at the beginning, but he was my boss, he was lovebombing me and I cannot get out of the addiction of trying to please him, now that I am in it.

When I do make attempts at withdrawing he redoubles his efforts to pull me back in. He breaks down in tears, appears at my house and tells me he loves me and that we’ll go through my feelings together and “sort this out.” He will always find an excuse that wins me around. It’s that he’s been so stressed. I know how hard he works, surely I can see how stressed and busy he has been? Or his ex wife and kids are on at him about something – his ex has a bill she needs him to pay and he’s working doubly hard so that he can "afford everyone’s life." He frequently says he is “swamped, underwater, drained, on the verge of a heart attack, everyone wants a piece of him.”

Whenever I talk to him about the situation or ask him where he is or what’s he was doing or is planning to do, he sighs and tells me I am acting “like a wife, checking up on him.” He’ll say that’s “not what I wanted from this. I want fun and adventure, not someone asking me what I am doing 24 hours a day. I am not checking up on YOU.” I don’t feel equal with him for a start, so it’s not like I feel I have a right to check up on him at all, but I do occasionally ask because I need to make my own plans and have a life. He actually gets angry about me asking. He will say I have “ruined” a day or an evening by asking him what he is doing or me “needing to know” his plans, work or otherwise. Or what country he is in. The last time he said I should be grateful for the time he found for me considering how busy his life is and that I should “not be greedy" with my time from him.

I cannot cut him off because we communicate every day for work. The work we do together is how I pay my bills, support my parents and support my DC. I get professional respect for this because he has a good reputation in his industry. Every time I withdraw and am coldly professional I get a huge onslaught of lovebombing, calls and attempts to pull me back in. Things are never in balance. The average cycle time is 3 weeks. 3 weeks cannot go by without me hitting several highs and despairing lows due to his hot and cold behaviour.

I waste a lot of time wondering if his behaviour is deliberate, whether he is damaged and he can’t help it, or whether his behaviour and words are crafted to keep me addicted and suffering. I go round and round in circles thinking about it.

After his wife left him and before he and I started sleeping together he said he had a 3 year relationship with another woman at work who is an acquaintance of mine. He said that she broke his heart, he was addicted to her, obsessed by her, wanted to be with her. He says that he is still “grieving” the relationship after she lost interest. Everything I do is compared to her and how perfect she is. She is very “thin and beautiful” which he keeps mentioning (I am normal size and average looking) She is “brilliant at work,” and can “light up a room.” I know this is wrong and extremely unhealthy. I know that he is wrong to do this, that it is very manipulative. But it’s like my primitive brain cannot stop going round and round in circles about her. Why she is perfect and I’m not? Why do I do everything I can for him and I still fall short of her in his mind?

I am pursuing therapy for this. It will start soon. I am planning an exit from work and trying to find a different job. Hard to do during covid. I cannot go to HR.

Please give me any advice about the steps I can take emotionally and professionally to unhook myself from this and get my life back. And please, if you see through his behaviour from what I have written, tell me and make me feel better and not a small, inferior person.

OP posts:
bakedoff · 01/08/2020 06:02

You need another job and to cut him out of your life. You’re being abused. This is not a good relationship

Xiaoxiong · 01/08/2020 06:28

@Miljea how is that remotely helpful, you posted nothing helpful except at nearly midnight demanding OP come back to the thread. Hopefully she was asleep, having poured her heart out about a hideous situation she's in so why don't you wind your fucking neck in.

OP this sounds awful. I was on the edge of a situation like this once when I was younger and luckily I got a new job before it became really bad. Honestly it could happen to anyone especially if they are in a vulnerable position and need the job. It sounds like he zeroed in on you first knowing you are supporting your family, and then has torn down your self esteem by comparing you to this other woman.

You know the only solution is either for you to leave or for him to leave. You obviously need to start applying ASAP but if you think he might get a job elsewhere more quickly there a way you could also encourage him to leave? Play on his ego? Oh big boss you're wasted here in this backwater, I think you should think about growing your career, you make more money when you move laterally than internal promotion etc.

Sakurami · 01/08/2020 06:42

@SandyY2K

Until you figure a way forward...can you tell you have a lot of personal stuff going on and need to take some time out if the 'relationship'.

Feed his ego... and say you know he gets pulled in so many directions... so you really don't want to add to the things he had in his plate.

If he should happen to ask what it is... just say it's to do with a family member going through some serious issues (either relationship/health) and they really need you to be a support and keep their confidence.

This is an abusive relationship and you need the appropriate help to guide you through it.

You need to leave your job as well... you won't recover from the abuse until you cut him out of your life for good.

This. Please realise that the man is abusing you and playing with you. None of what he says is true.

You are young and he is a pathetic loser who gets his kicks by abusing women..because that is what he is doing. You are worth so much more (and luckily you can see him exactly for what he is). But like Sandy says, be clever about it. All the best op

Crumpets111 · 01/08/2020 06:44

Your playing with fire OP, I would start documenting everything, look for another job, block him and move on.

Jellybeansincognito · 01/08/2020 06:48

If this was me I’d start working to find another job, I’d also move so he can’t harass me.

But I appreciate those things are not simple.

Is it an option at all op?

iMatter · 01/08/2020 07:02

I had a pretty toxic relationship with someone I worked with when I was in my late 20s/early 30s. He was similar to your boss. There was even an ex girlfriend I worked with he compared me to. For some reason I stayed in the relationship even though the rational me knew I was wasting my life with him. He alternated between punishing (sulking) and love bombing. I was grateful for any scraps he gave me when I was at my lowest and at other times I was so desperate to get away from him. He also isolated me from friends which made me even more reliant on him.

Be in no doubt he knows exactly what he's doing and he's playing with you and your relationship is abusive.

The only way I could get away from my ex was to leave my job. It was very hard - I loved my job and I was top of my game.

However, my life changed for the better as soon as I left. Once I was out I could see clearly what a mess it had been. To be honest with you I cringe about it now and the fact I wasted so long with someone who wasn't even worthy of breathing the same air as me.

I really hope the counselling helps and you can get out soon. Baby steps if necessary.

Have a look at some stuff about grey rock - that might help. I wish I knew about that when I was going through my mess, although I suspect he would have redoubled his live bombing to wind me back in so it may have taken time.

Good luck Thanks

IdblowJonSnow · 01/08/2020 07:11

It's brilliant that you're so self aware and about to start therapy OP.
This guy sounds so abusive. The best way to get over this will be a clean break with a new job and cutting all ties with him.
You deserve so much more than this.

Sugartitties · 01/08/2020 10:31

i wouldn’t touch a 55 year old cock with someone else’s if i were 33.

floggingadeadcamel · 01/08/2020 14:33

Thank you so very much for such understanding replies.

I know you are all right and I believe that he is a narcissist, like some of you say.

I need to shake the feeling that maybe someone will along and be the “perfect” person for him and it’s just because I am not perfect that I am not enough for him.

Why do I feel like this?

OP posts:
SusieOwl4 · 01/08/2020 15:12

You say you are worried you are not enough for him? But do you really want him? He is treating you appallingly . He is a cheater . Not good looking . He is making you feel worthless and because of. His age and history there is no pleasant future to look forward to .

You are no the one at fault here . He is abusing his power .

Admit to yourself if you did not work there he would not be attractive to you at all.

Have some s respect and grey rock him. Ignore his pathetic love bombing and concentrate on your work until you find new job. You can do it . If he turns nasty because is losing control go to HR.

backseatcookers · 01/08/2020 16:40

Therapy therapy therapy therapy. And more therapy.

You need to unravel the reasons you are allowing this treatment to continue and it will also allow you to take adult accountability for your decisions - that sounds snarky but it's really important - as it helps you feel in control.

Don't just listen to the 'you deserve more' lines (though it's true, you do) as it's too easy to fall into a pure victim role there. You need to examine the reasons you have perpetuated this cycle of behaviour in order to stop it.

What's the latest on the therapy situation?

ButteryPuffin · 01/08/2020 16:46

It's him that's not good enough for you, OP, not the other way round! He's older, a game player, and has peaked. You have much better than this to look forward to.
Get into therapy asap. Same for a new job. And the advice about becoming very boring to him is good I think. Make him think it's his idea to walk away.

terracottapot · 01/08/2020 16:49

I cannot go to HR

Is it possible for you to explain why not?

LimeLemonOrange · 01/08/2020 17:15

You've started to see all the downsides about this person and relationship. But it sounds like it could take some time for you to feel ready to end it. Your comment about worrying someone perfect will come along - you've invested a lot and formed a bond with him, so you probably won't be able to dump him today.

Give yourself time to keep processing this through, try to imagine all the positives of life without him. And then as soon as you're able to, cut it off.

What happened to the other woman at work he used to sleep with? Has she managed to hold on to her job and communicate with him? Just wondering if that's an option for you while you look for another job.

rvby · 01/08/2020 17:54

@floggingadeadcamel

Thank you so very much for such understanding replies.

I know you are all right and I believe that he is a narcissist, like some of you say.

I need to shake the feeling that maybe someone will along and be the “perfect” person for him and it’s just because I am not perfect that I am not enough for him.

Why do I feel like this?

There is a very long detailed scientific sort of explanation for why you feel like this, but I am on my phone here. I'll try to summarize it. Have you heard of "fight or flight"? Those responses to threat/danger are common, but they occur more in men. Women tend towards "freeze/fawn", a set of automatic responses to danger that basically cause them to turn towards the abuser and try to befriend them, please them, etc. in an attempt to make the violence and pain stop.

Freeze/fawn is especially common when a person is dealing with an abuser that was nice at first, and then suddenly turns abusive.

You are currently caught up in a cycle of responses that are keeping you stuck with this abuser, fawning over him, trying to befriend him and make him stop hurting you. This kind of behavior has saved females from death since before the dawn of civilization, there is nothing wrong with you, you are just caught in something that you will eventually be able to extricate yourself from. Therapy will help enormously. This thread might also help.

This is an emergency. Several things will help you here:

  • start writing down your feelings. Just write and write and write until you feel relief.
  • urgently begin soothing yourself. Treat yourself as if you are in shock and need to be comforted. Tea, toast, bath, rubbish tv, soothing music, soft clothes, cuddle DC, cleaning (if that soothes you), gentle yoga, meditation app, drawing/doodling, sitting in garden looking at sky, crying.
-Spend 5 mins per hour concentrating on your breath - make the out breath longer than each in breath.
  • talk. Tell everyone who loves you that you're in an abusive relationship and need support. Reconnect with friends. Tell everyone what is happening. Bring the dark into the light. This thread might help with that piece.

If you can radically soothe yourself, and start narrating your experience a bit more, you may be able to break the fawning cycle, and start finding your fight/flight. It's in there somewhere. You are going to be ok, just hang on x

Sakurami · 01/08/2020 19:33

He's 55 and in a few years he will be even more wrinkly and pathetic. You are in your prime. Honestly, he is so not worth it and you will wonder in a few years time what the hell you saw in him.

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