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goodoldmum · 28/07/2020 20:35

I've signed up just for some help. Before lockdown I went out with some friends, some straight some gay. We went to a gay bar and I invited someone I knew who was with her boyfriend in a bar a few minutes away.

We had a few more drinks and then went back to one of our friends houses and carried on drinking, we were all very drunk. It ended up just me and her and she asked me to kiss her. I have her a quick peck, like I do most of my girlfriends. She stuck her tongue down my throat. I pulled away. Then she started trying to feel my private parts. I said no and she said "it's been a long time coming hasn't it". I laughed it off. She kept persisting, trying to grope me. I kept saying no. I don't remember much clearly from there but I remember relenting and letting her feel me just to shut her up. For some reason I was more afraid of upsetting her than protecting myself and my dignity. I couldn't leave because of the situation (I can't go into detail because it may identify us). I had previously asked my friend not to leave me with her because she was making me feel uneasy but we ended up being left alone. I don't know how it happened but we ended up getting more intimate. I can't really remember but I remember thinking I was going along with it just to make her stop. I don't completely remember what happened but I know I was sore and bruised for a week or two afterwards.

I'm absolutely devastated. In the cold light of day, I can't believe it. I'm disgusted. I won't touch my children because I feel dirty. I keep washing myself to get her off me. I just want to hide and it to stop. It wasn't rape because I consented but I would never have done it in a million billion years had I been sober. I'm straight and very happily cohabiting with our children. My partner and I have our problems but we generally have a great relationship.

I only know her having bumped into her a few times in local pubs and events... we have been out a few times and we became friends, not close though by any means. I now look back and realise she had been hinting all this time... asking me if I had ever been with a woman (I hadn't), asking me if I fancied women (I don't), always saying we had a special bond... I always put it down to drunken rambling. A mutual friend said that she had been following me all night.. I hadn't noticed.

So what is this? Is this just remorse or guilt for committing adultery? Did I fall into a trap and cheat on my partner? Have I been groomed? Is it sexual assault? What is it? I just can't cope with it. I've asked my GP to be referred to a counsellor but it's taken months with covid. I feel like there is two time zones... before that night and after. I just want to turn back time. Erase it from my memory. I guess I'd like others opinions on what it was so I can label it?

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AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 28/07/2020 20:39

I don’t know if it was technically rape because there was no penis, but to all intents and purposes this was rape OP, it’s not your fault. I’m so sorry this happened to you.

goodoldmum · 28/07/2020 20:43

Thank you. That strangely makes me feel better. I did consent though, I just feel groomed into it. It's not even like I have ANY feelings for her in that way. She's not even a close friend. Just someone I know. I can't get the smell or the pain afterwards out of my head. I can't let my boyfriend near me.

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JorisBonson · 28/07/2020 20:44

This is 100% sexual assault. Sorry OP Flowers

Quartz2208 · 28/07/2020 20:51

Yes it was definitely sexual assault OP you felt you couldnt say no

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 28/07/2020 20:55

It’s not consent if you’re not saying no so that they stop! You didn’t give consent. I think that you need to talk to your partner about this.

goodoldmum · 28/07/2020 21:01

But the only reason I didn't say no was because I'm weak and daren't. She genuinely believes I have a thing for her. The thought has never crossed my mind. Even if I was into women she wouldn't be who I would go for, ever.

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goodoldmum · 28/07/2020 21:02

And from what I remember I was an active participant, just didn't really want to be.

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GhostOfMe · 28/07/2020 21:17

She should have stopped when you said no. It sounds like you were too incapacitated to actually consent. To me I'd still think of this as sexual assault which is not the same as you cheating. If you feel forced/coerced into consenting then you didn't consent. I don't know about the UK, but maybe like where I am there's a support number for rape/sexual assault you can ring to talk to get some support while you're waiting for counselling.

SoulofanAggron · 28/07/2020 21:32

It wasn't rape because I consented

You didn't fully/truly consent though, you even said no at various points. Then you let her carry on in the hope she would go away. The freeze/flop response to rape/sexual assault is very common. www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/i-just-froze/

Get all the help you need, local rape/sexual assault services etc.

If you're close, your partner will probably have realized something's on your mind. You could consider telling him what happened, so you don't have the burden of a constant secret, and he can support you. Don't say 'I got off with a woman while I was out of it' - be careful how you phrase it and tell the truth- that you were assaulted, you said no, you aren't attracted to women, you were left in pain. Flowers

goodoldmum · 28/07/2020 22:56

Thank you all... but I went along with it. I removed my own trousers. I touched her. Wasn't this just getting carried away in the moment? I know I said no to begin with but I went along with it eventually. She still didn't stop, she would have gone on all night if I hadn't pretended to fall asleep.

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goodoldmum · 29/07/2020 00:45

I've just read about the fight/flight/freeze/flop/fawn response to sexual trauma.

I definitely flopped and then fawned. It's like my thoughts weren't there, there were no thoughts other than stopping it. Maybe I participated in it as a fawn response? Or maybe I'm trying to justify my heinous actions?

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Littlehelper101 · 29/07/2020 00:56

Put it past you and move on....

Similar situation I ended up being kissed in a club toilet she touched Areas I didn't stop her but at the same time I didn't 100% consent to her doing so but I allowed it to happen and pushed her away.

Weird drunken moment misunderstood intentions.

I know it sucks but either put it past you OR tell your partner this women came on to you and that you was not into it.

Sending love x

binkyblinky · 29/07/2020 07:05

I'm so sorry lovely.

It's not rape but it sound like sexual assault by penetration which is treated / should be treated just as seriously.

Is there anyone you can confide in for support? X

goodoldmum · 29/07/2020 11:38

I've told a friend. It's just affected me so much.

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