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Ending my marriage

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Mouseymousenomore · 26/07/2020 13:14

Not a troll, not new but new name. Have posted an amount previously but not for some time.

I need to end my marriage. Maybe I just need somewhere to get it all out.

We've been together 20 years and it's not all been easy but over the last few it's been worse. Definitely over the last 6 months or so it's been increasingly difficult. We were both relatively young when we met, me slightly more so, and I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life or where I wanted to be, shitty role models for parents so no good relationship to learn from (but i didn't know that at the time).

Over time I've become more my own person and my husband doesn't like that. He had a crap upbringing, can't deny that at all. He's very insecure and needs me to constantly prove myself. Prove that I love him, prove I care, prove I'll do whatever he wants, prove I'm not doing anything I shouldn't be.

Whereas it's fine for him to go out to his friends every week, afterall, he did that when I met him, in fact he was living with them at the time. It's fine for him to insult my intelligence because sometimes I'm quite forgetful (I am but still), for example, a friend was dropping something off to me so I said I'd take the dog out to meet them as they haven't met. He says "just be careful, make sure you don't lose him". I take the dog out all the time and bring him back, every time! I said I thought that was an odd thing to say, why would I lose him?? He said I don't normally go out with him to meet people and might get distracted. What?? I take the dog on group walks as he well knows, what was the need to say that? Just a small sly dig for nothing. Like I'll see my friend and lose all consciousness of having the dog with me?!

Or the other day he said "I bought lunch for everyone, including you" I said "that's weird, why would you say it like that, does everyone not include me?" and laughed to keep it lighthearted. He said he didn't say it weird and he's just not gonna talk to me then if I'm gonna keep saying that (he's said other odd things that I've asked why he said them that way).

Sometimes he'll ask "did you go to work today?"/or "you going to work today?" referring to what I'm wearing, and it'll either be because he thinks it's too casual or too dressed up so wants to check I'm actually going to work.

If I want to go out he expects me to plan in advance and let him know like a week before. Where, when, with who, why, what time I'll be back. I've been out 4 times I think in the last 12 months and two of them he turned up at, despite telling me I can't go out the same night as him because one of us needs to be home with the kids (mid/late teens). I've been invited out many times as a group with work but decline because it's not worth the hassle, then he says well it's my own fault I don't go, I just need to tell him stuff.

A colleague (female, I talk about her all the time, he's seen her) asked me to come out for a coffee the other week, on the same day. I thought you know what it's only coffee down the road, how big a deal can that be. So I said "Spohie" asked me to come for a coffee and I'm gonna go. In about half hr or so. He says that's fine. He wants to know wht coffee shop, where are we gonna sit because most places didn't have seating out. If we take coffee to a park which one will it be... anyway i answer everything and go.

While there he says he left something at a friends the other day and is gonna go pick it up. It dawns on me after that he'll be coming our way. I don't have an issue with that as I'm doing nothing wrong but of course it's annoying - was it true he left something, I don't know, weird coincidence if he did. Get a message at one point commenting on something where we were. I'm looking around, don't see him anywhere at all but clearly he'd seen us. When I asked later he said he'd passed but messaged me after he'd already gone by, he didn't want to disturb me as I'll think he's checking up on me. Next day he seems annoyed with me, and mentions when i said i was going for a coffee he didn't think it would be 3 or 4 hours (it was 3). I said well I had two, and hadn't really put a timer on it we were having a good natter. He says "A coffee is ONE coffee. If you said a few coffees that would've made more sense. You said you were going out for A coffee". I'm like, if you say you're going out for A drink that doesn't mean one does it? Why is this different. He says it's different because it's coffee but actually, I think it's different because it's me.

Every few months or weeks we have to have some big discussion where he tells me all the things I've done wrong (not telling him I was changing a small section of the colour in my hair before I did it, not sharing things with him, not telling him I deactivated my facebook account, not telling him he looks nice often enough, not asking him for things sexually that he wants me to ask for, not listening (I'm actually quite forgetful, it's not a case of not listening - hardly something I enjoy being moaned at for so wouldn't do it on purpose), not calling on my work breaks to say hello, not telling him everything that happens in my work day and who I'm speaking to. The list goes on and things get added. Mostly it's sex stuff. I've tried explaining I'll do pretty much whatever you want, if you ask me, I'll give it a go. But I'm not asking for it off my own back because I don't want to. But apparently I should because that's what would make HIM happy.

I'm always wrong, no matter the situation. If I did something wrong, in wrong. If I reacted mean to something he did wrong, I'm wrong. If I guess at something (who will be somewhere, how much something costs, when something was done) and turn out to be wrong that means I lied.

I'm not saying I've never been in the wrong, but I'm not ALWAYS wrong. And when I do feel I am or even if I can see it might look like I am, I'll apologise. I don't have an issue with that at all. I like to keep the peace, I like to be chilled, I don't let stupid things annoy me. You made a mistake but you nobody got hurt? Ok that's fine, tomorrow's a new day, try not to do it again. I'm a bit of a mug.

He can't seem to grasp that when someone feels like they're constantly watched or monitored or berated, they might not always feel like being loving or smiley or sharing. But I try my best despite that in order to not have conflict. It would still be my fault for not making the effort. I just feel exhausted. I don't want to do this anymore. I love him, I always will but this isn't working. He says he's depressed and upset and it's because of me (for the reasons above) but he doesn't have a steady job by any means, isn't looking for one, smokes way too much weed (which he knows I don't have an issue with in general, I know some of you will - don't come for me - but I do detest the cost and what it takes away from our ability to save or go on holiday or just do nice things in general). But he smoked when I met him, so that's fine obviously, because i already knew that.

He'll even ask who I've been messaging on whatsapp because it tells you when that person was last seen, I'll tell him, then he'll ask "anyone else?"! If my phone beeps and i show him what it because it's a funny pic or something he'll say "i didn't ask you to prove it" but that's not the point. He makes me feel like I need to. He's one of those 'moan or insinuate but don't actually fact check because when you're found to be wrong you won't want to apologise and you'll have nothing to hold over me' people. I've thought about taking the last seen thing off of it but he'll just tell me that looks dodgy when really I just don't want to feel spied on. I had to move the app to different screen on my phone so I wouldn't accidentally open it trying to press something else, as then it would show I'd been "active" even if I hadn't meant to be, and then it looked like I'd deleted stuff when I hadn't.

In truth he's always been this way but it's creeped up a notch. I did cheat, met one time with someone I'd been speaking to for a couple of months. I don't do excuses, I was wrong. But I did let myself get swept up in being a bit happy someone was being nice to me, when at home I was berated, had things thrown at me, lied to (he did see someone but because he wouldn't admit it I couldn't prove it, though I'd seen texts), told I was mental and needed help, told i was a shit mum etc and I was depressed and lonely and not allowed to join any social media. That was over 15 years ago. And I'm still punished for it today. That day he found out he punched me in the face, backhanded me, took me phone, my keys, my child, locked me in the flat and told me if i left it was over. He went to my parents to tell them what I'd done and what a nasty person i was. He told them hed hit me. They sided with him. I should have left there and then but when you don't even have parents who are even pissed off you've been punched, what are you supposed to do? I was barely 20 and had no idea and clearly no support.

All the things he did back then, I don't bring up, I don't moan about, I don't make him feel bad for.

I'm going to tell him today (if I don't bottle it) that I don't want to do this anymore. We need to separate. It's "big chat" time again where everything is my fault so no better time. We both deserve to be happy if nothing else and clearly neither of us is. I also fear for my kids. I've failed them so far letting them grow up in a home with a shitty relationship though I've tried my best to shield them they're not stupid. My son doesn't get on with his dad at all, sadly we've spoken about it many times and so I think he'll be just fine with it.

Actually two weeks ago something clicked and I knew there was no going back. I can't remember what it was but clearly I'd said something which annoyed my husband. So he was making a sandwich and banging about and because we'd already been arguing or sniping for days (well, him sniping, me saying sorry) I was already tearful. So I started crying. I heard my son was coming in so I just put my head down like i was looking at something, thinking he'll come in and get whatever and go as usual. He got a drink, drank it. Got another one. Got some toast, ate it. I didn't want him to see me upset so eventually I carefully left the room without him seeing my face. I heard them arguing and my son ran off up to his room.

I went to see him and he said "suppose you've come to have a go at me?" And i said no, of course not why would i you haven't done anything. He said he'd told his dad he'd stayed in there so he wouldn't shout or argue with me. his dad had told him it was his fault i was upset and left the room. I reassured him it was far from his fault and that I only left because I didn't want him to see me upset. And that while i appreciated he thought to do that, he shouldn't have to and i would prefer he didn't. And hat i was sorry, obviously.

I then asked my husband what was said and he said pretty much the same but added "I told him sometimes parents argue and it's none of his business". Clearly I made a face at that and he asked "what? Was I wrong?" And I said yes to a point he was wrong. Because as much as I hate that my son tried to get in the middle I'm actually proud that he felt compelled to do so in order to protect me.

So anyway, there's so much more, I'm not perfect but I don't want to live like this anymore. If you've read all this thank you, if you have any words of wisdom, thank you. I'm waiting for him to actually get up out of bed so I can start this. It won't be pleasant, I know it won't, but I'm certain it needs to be done.

OP posts:
Agirlcalled · 26/07/2020 13:24

You know it's not normal to be treated like that. You and your kids will be so much happier. It wears you down. Stay strong. The fact you are having to wait for him to get up speaks volumes. X

Isolatedizzy · 26/07/2020 16:17

I would speak to Women's Aid about leaving him safely! He's obviously physically assaulted you before!

Please don't put up with this treatment for any longer than you need to - he's controlling and abusive!

NotaWickedStepMum55 · 26/07/2020 17:55

I am so sorry to read all of this, I hope it was cathartic for you to write this down, now you have to read it over and over again, to keep yourself strong. Yes, you should leave him. If not for you, for your children.

If he doesn't work, then are you supporting your family? And if so, you will be able carry on supporting them.

You really do deserve a better life. But only you can do it. He isn't going to disappear.

Be strong, and good luck.

Joistlooking · 26/07/2020 18:08

Make sure you and DC have a way out if he turns nasty. He has told you that you make him depressed and upset so you have the means to make him happy - separate. Good Luck and enjoy your freedom Flowers

JustKeepGoingX · 26/07/2020 18:57

Bless you Mousey, I know how alot of this feels I've been through it, its so draining and miserable.
Did you have the talk? How are you now? X

TimeWastingButFun · 26/07/2020 19:04

So sorry you've had to put up with this for so long. I don't have any words of wisdom I'm afraid, except to say that I would suggest you contact a professional organisation like Women's Aid before he even gets a whiff of this to help you find a strategy for leaving safely. Can you go somewhere safely to use the internet and phone without suspicion?

BarbedBloom · 26/07/2020 19:05

I am not a fan of cheating but his reaction was awful and I suspect he used it as an excuse to grind you down and ramp up his control. Aside from anything else, it was 15 years ago now.

I really don't like how he made your son feel like it was his fault you were upset. He is very manipulative.

Given his level of control and obsession I would be very careful about telling him as his reaction could be violence.

Dery · 26/07/2020 19:24

@Mouseymousenomore - what you've described is horrifying. It's criminal behaviour - coercive control and emotional and psychological violence with physical violence thrown into the mix. Yes, having an affair was wrong but it was 15 years ago. The way he reacted was disgusting and he's continued to behave disgustingly ever since to you - and your DCs by the sounds of it. Your son sounds great. And of course no-one needs to be home for children who are in their mid- to late teens.

It's great that you're ending the relationship and I hope to goodness you can resist the pressure he will put on you to change your mind.

Just bear in mind that he could become particularly dangerous when he realises he is losing you. In an ideal world, you would discuss this with him when you're no longer sharing a home. But if you need him to be the one to leave (which is as it should be), then of course that can't be achieved without a discussion. And don't hesitate to call the police if you feel he's losing it with you.

Good luck, OP.

Dollyrocket · 26/07/2020 19:45

How did the chat go @Mouseymousenomore?

Mouseymousenomore · 26/07/2020 19:47

Everyone, thank you.

@NotaWickedStepMum55 yes it's me supporting us, he's had a few odd jobs but hasn't committed to anything for more than a few weeks in quite some time. I can continue, with less money going out it'll be fine.

@JustKeepGoingX I have now...didn't go as expected and that makes me feel worse. I thought he would be angry but he was just sad and sorry and begged me to change my mind. That he could see the things I was saying from my point of view and that it wasn't all my fault and would I just give him one chance to prove he can be who I need him to be and treat me how I deserve.

I really wavered, I wasn't sure if I was doing the right thing still but I've said these things before and he's not listened. To say that now will be different, when I've gotten so over the edge to get to this point, it's not fair.

He said he had to leave even though I told him not to, theres nowhere for either of us to go and I wouldn't see him homeless in a million years. But he said he couldn't stay here if we're not together it would be too painful. He packed a few things and said he'd come back tomorrow to sort out anything that needed sorting but wherever he went he couldn't stay so he's asked if he can stay on the sofa for a few nights. Of course I've said yes, I'm not heartless and never asked him to leave. I feel awful for hurting him.

OP posts:
ilikesneakingchocolate · 26/07/2020 20:16

Please please if your worried or scared ring the police if he comes back.
I had the I am sorry, and I took him back, again, and again. They don't change.
Stay safe, also ring your local domestic abuse outreach service. They can really support you at this time.

JustKeepGoingX · 26/07/2020 20:24

I would have thought he'd go mad too, but he's done the opposite most probably to make you feel bad in hopes of you changing your mind. Don't change your mind.
Be civil, but not too nice, remember that time he punched you everytime you feel like being nice to him now. Hopefully he'll go and stay gone, maybe he believes you when you say it's over, fingers crossed!
Let us know how it goes x

Shizzlestix · 26/07/2020 20:41

Please don’t let him work his way back in, he’s treated you appallingly. I’m so sad that you’ve lived this awful half life. Not working and controlling you would be death kneels for me. You’re worth so much more.

Alonelonelyloner · 26/07/2020 21:09

This post makes me so sad OP most because you are feeling sad at saying what needed to be said and I'm terrified for you that you'll have this nasty fucker back and continue a life of coercion, emotional and physical violence and a sad child even sadder. It's awful.

I do hope you have the strength to get rid of him completely. Life is too short. You've already lost a third of it to this shitty person.

Lynseylou1 · 26/07/2020 22:21

It all sounds awful you must not have ever been able to just relax at home. He sounds like an absolute horror and you have absolutely done the right thing by asking him to leave!

You may feel bad now (but you shouldn't) but just imagine how good it will feel to not be continuously questioned and be free to meet your friends whenever you wish.

Your kids will also feel much better now that he's gone as the atmosphere must be so much better at home now.

Good luck with the start of your new happier life

Dery · 26/07/2020 23:29

"This post makes me so sad OP most because you are feeling sad at saying what needed to be said and I'm terrified for you that you'll have this nasty fucker back and continue a life of coercion, emotional and physical violence and a sad child even sadder. It's awful.

I do hope you have the strength to get rid of him completely. Life is too short. You've already lost a third of it to this shitty person."

This.

SandyY2K · 26/07/2020 23:54

He sounds incredibly insecure, jealous and possessive....I didn't get through your whole post, but I just couldn't live with that kind of man.

I hope you find the strength to navigate your way out of the relationship.

Vodkacranberryplease · 26/07/2020 23:56

He's appalling! Manipulative as hell and needs to get out. He won't be homeless and as you are married protect your finances. There is nothing about this man that sounds good to me - being examined, criticised and monitored like that is just abuse.

My thoughts reading this were who the FUCK does he think he is. What a prick. Stop asking him to stay. He's playing games.

Vodkacranberryplease · 26/07/2020 23:57

Oh and he will not change. He actually thinks he had the right to behave like this. Fancy sitting you down every week to tell you what's wrong with you. Just reading that makes me SO cross.

As I said.. who the FUCK does he think he is??!

user1294625849274 · 27/07/2020 00:06

He's doing this:

Be careful. When he realises the emotional manipulation hasn't succeeded in regaining control of you he will escalate.

I really don't think it's safe for you to allow him to stay.

Have you spoken to Women's Aid or the police? It really is that bad, yes.

What he has done to you is incredibly serious; it carries a prison sentence.

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