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To divorce or not to that is the question

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Londonmamabychance · 21/07/2020 23:51

My husband and I (can’t bring myself to call him DH) have always had a stormy relationship. But then I only ever had relationships with lots of turmoil, mainly due to a somewhat unstable childhood and unhealthy patterns stemming from this (I know see after years of therapy). My husband had an even more unstable life before we met, difficult childhood, living in lots of countries, drugs and drama etc. Been married for 7 years, together almost 10, 2 kids aged 3 and 5.

We’ve always argued too much. But we used to be able to make up and have stable periods. But recently, the arguments are almost constant and happiness is so rare. We even argue in front of the kids. (Please don’t make me feel worse about this aspect than I already do, I literally hate myself for it and it the main reason I’m considering serious action now).

I have suggested couples thereby but he refuses. He also drinks too much and smokes pot frequently even sometimes before the kids go to sleep (not in front of them though, goes for a smoke outside and returns stoned). He is a good dad though - very very loving, attentive and caring. He cooks every night - and very well too - and does almost 50 percent of the housework, although he’s often resentful about it.

What seems to have pushed it all Over the edge now is that he’s become unemployed due to COVID impacts on his industry. Just at the same time, I’ve been offered a much better paid position which I’ve decide to take. It’s also a lot more hours though. I asked him very carefully if he would be okay with being more hands on at home and doing pick ups (especially now when he’s unemployed) and he said yes. I said we need to decide this as a family as me working a lot more will impact us all. He insisted I was making it up when I said I sensed he was against me taking the job. Now, a few weeks before I’m due to start, he begins drooling remarks about me “probably needing to work a lot more so he will have to do more bedtimes” and that “I will be too busy” Etc and when I reminded him that I asked him if he’d be okay with the change he said “I don’t want to stand in the way of your career”. Which enrages me because I’m not even that career focused, I’ve stayed stuck int the same position since having kids until 1 year ago when we moved countries, and I was Unemployed for almost a year then, and then took a bit great position just to have a income, and now this new job is the first good opportunity that comes up for me, while he has been working long hours and made more than me all of our life together and I always supported this. I guess he feels bad that I will be making more than him especially now he’s (temporarily) unemployed and is unhappy with the SAHD role. Even thigh he insist he’s fine with it, all Evidence points to the contrary.

He is so shit and mean to me almost all the time. Inconsiderate, rude and condescending. I just feel almost nothing but anger toward him. I would never have married him could I’ve seen us go this way.

BUT. I still feel some love is left between us. And the kids love him so much it breaks my heart in a million pieces to even imagine taking away from them seeing their dad every day. And I cannot even fathom the logistics of divorce and childcare arrangements, not to mention how we’d Afford two homes, as we are not that financially well off, despite me now having just got this new well-paid job, I was unemployed for a year recently and we are renting.

I’m so scared of the future and have no idea what to do. Staying seems a bad idea and so does leaving. I don’t know how to make the decision but nothing I have tried so far (meditation, individual therapy, more
Clearly divided household chores, talking to him about all this) has helped. I feel like I’m a shit mum for letting the kids witness fights and I wonder all the time if divorce would truly be better for them or just make everything worse as I don’t envision him being an amicable party to a divorce.

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Worzle23 · 22/07/2020 00:04

I am in a very similar position to you. We argue in front of children 2 & 5 and we should have broken up years ago but I couldn’t deal with breaking their hearts. We have very recently agreed my husband will move out. It’s the best for everyone’s happiness in the long run.

Worzle23 · 22/07/2020 00:06

If you really have tried everything already and can’t see a way of fixing it, all you will do is procrastinate for a few more years or perhaps forever while you are all trapped in an unhappy family dynamic

Sunshineonrainydays · 22/07/2020 00:12

I think if your husband won’t go to counselling with you this gives you your answer sadly. I would say it’s ultimatum time.
Arguing like this is horrible for the children and for both of you too.
I know finances are tight but you will find a way to manage and be happier in the long run if you do decide to separate.
Good luck, life is for living.

Londonmamabychance · 22/07/2020 08:40

@Worzle23 sorry to hear you are also going through something like this. How have your kids taken it so far? I’m just so worried of how it will affect them. And I also don’t know how to manage being a single mum as I am sure the kids will be staying with me (which is also what I want) - but doing everything by myself is so daunting.

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Londonmamabychance · 22/07/2020 08:41

@Sunshineonrainydays think you are right, I just can’t get over heat he won’t even go to counselling with me. Yet he says that he does not want to divorce and blames me for everything.

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Sunshineonrainydays · 22/07/2020 09:08

You can't stay in a marriage where everything is blamed on you, it takes effort from both sides to make it work. If he won't go to counselling with you then I can't see how things will ever improve.
I can only imagine how daunting it must be to think of divorcing and being a single mum. But the alternative of living in what sounds like a toxic marriage is not sustainable or healthy for you or the children.
If your huaband won't go to counselling would he also be against mediation to try and agree on an amicable split? If he would go then this could be a way to talk things through with an impartial person who might be able to encourage counselling.
Do your family and friends know what is happening? Is there anyone you could talk to who might help him to see that going to counselling or mediation could save the marriage?

Londonmamabychance · 22/07/2020 11:21

@Sunshineonrainydays thanks for taking the time to respond. I definitely would like to do mediation as I think is working things out on our own would not work. I wish there was someone who could make hi sweet that counselling may be helpful, but there is no one obvious - all of his family and close friends live in other countries, and due to COVID we now see them even less. So I would have to call/email them to get hold of them and I am not that close with any of them, I mean, that would feel like going behind his back and I do t think he’d like it, it wouldn’t seem very natural. In this country there’s only my family and old friends (a fact I think compounds his feeling of isolation) so if I asked any of them to talk to her I’m sure he’d just feel ambushed. It’s difficult. We can’t really live in his home country as no good work opportunities or quality of life there, so it’s not that I wouldn’t principally want to live where he’d feel more at home if it was an option. There are a lot of reasons for him to feel down, isolation,
Living in another foreign country (his 5th country of residence no less), unemployment, difficult past. For all these reasons I have been understanding and forgiving of his bad tempers and his lack of support for a long time, but now I think he is just doing nothing at all to improve our communication and relationship and just blames everything on me.

It’s difficult for me to imagine a positive amicable divorce as I think he’d be a very bitter partner in a divorce and can imagine him making things very difficult and being resentful. So I almost cannot gather up the resolve to divorce because I can only imagine it being horrific.

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Sunshineonrainydays · 22/07/2020 11:53

I really feel for you OP, your last post demonstrates how difficult things are. I can understand he feels isolated and down. Do you think he is depressed? You mentioned he drinks and smokes weed, I can only imagine this is making everything much worse, his moods, the arguments, your finances, etc. Has he sought help for his addictions before?
Unless he will try and make changes I just can’t see how things will ever get better. But you can’t do this for him. I know you said he is likely to be very difficult if you did divorce but maybe you need to gauge whether it would be worse to carry on in this toxic relationship? Isn’t this a kind of living hell for you and the children?
If he won’t go to joint counselling why not go on your own so you have someone neutral to speak to and work out what you want to do.
Can you talk to your family and friends so that you have a good support network around you? Do they know how bad things are?

Worzle23 · 22/07/2020 18:28

My kids don’t know yet. We are waiting until husband finds a place to live. Want to tell them soon before he goes so less time in limbo. Dreading telling them

chuffedasbuttons · 22/07/2020 18:43

For me the weed is a big factor here.

How frequently does he smoke?

Everyday is an addiction.

Every few days means he reaches the point of withdrawal and this will bring mood swings, despondency, lack of motivation. Anger.

Sound familiar? Have a google on withdrawal effects and how it affects mood.

You're not married to your husband, you're married to who he is on weed.

If as you fear he won't play nice for divorce then get dirty yourself and get photographic evidence of his weed habit. Making the cigarettes, smoking them..... perhaps evidence the cash withdrawn from bank to buy it etc

Divorce him on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour due to his drug habit.
Threaten him with access to the children.

One day you will realise as nice as you play it, he is not the man you are imagining (and hoping) he is.

Don't bother being nice. Be hard as nails and blackmail his sorry arse.

(I am a really nice person honestly, I just get so fed up of lazy good for nothing men taking drugs)

Londonmamabychance · 23/07/2020 19:38

Yes, weed is a real Problem. But I’m not sure it’s the main one. It’s more about all the issues he hasn’t, and refuses, to deal with.
Maybe preparing for not playing nice is a good idea.

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Londonmamabychance · 23/07/2020 19:43

@Worzle23 that must be a very difficult space to be in. Hope he finds a place to stay soon so you can move on and that it will be possible to tell the kids in a gentle way.
I just met with an old friend of mine, haven’t seen her since we were teenagers. Her parents divorced when she was around 11 and we never spoke about it before - now
I asked her how the divorce had affected her and she said “well, I just thought it was good that they were divorcing, and wondered why they hadn’t done it earlier, since they were having such a bad time together, our home was a battlefield.” I know she was a lot
Older at the time of divorce than your kids and my kids are, but it made me reflect that maybe even the kids prefer divorce if the alternative is an unhappy family life.

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Londonmamabychance · 23/07/2020 19:45

@Sunshineonrainydays I think going to individual counselling is a good idea and I might do that.

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BraverThanYouBel1eve · 23/07/2020 19:48

@Londonmamabychance - have a look at the book: Too Good to Leave, Too Bad to Stay

Londonmamabychance · 24/07/2020 07:38

Thanks!

We had a big talk/fight last night. Prompted by an apology from him, in fact. He said he knows he’s been drinking and smoking too much lately. And promised to stop
Completely. I demanded he gets help, but he refuses so I was very angry, but he said to give him one last chance to quit on his own accord, and I said if he fails this time, I’m leaving. He also agreed to go along to couples counselling, at least once, so I’m a little hopeful now and decided to give it a chance.

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Sunshineonrainydays · 24/07/2020 11:02

Hi OP,

I’ve just read your update, I really hope he will do what he said and stop and go to a session of counselling with you. But stay strong, if he doesn’t you have tried your best and you need to leave.
Good luck Flowers

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