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Help with a group of girl friends and a petty feud!

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bentley86 · 20/07/2020 03:06

First of all this is my first ever post - should probably make it clear I am male with a group of female friends (yes before the assumptions I am of the rainbow family ;) but my friend always speaks highly of the advice of mumsnet so I thought I'd join to ask for some advice!

Anyway this is quite long and there is a little bit of backstory

I'm a 28 year old male, and have been friends with 3 girls since primary school 25 years later - some of us are married, long term partners etc but there's been a few additions along the way to our friendship group especially in senior school and university.

Anyway, we were around 12/13 years old when a 'new girl' to the school became involved in our 'circle' let's call her SALLY. Sally became really close with the 3 girls but never really took an interest in me - possible as I was a 'boy' there was never any arguments/fights just a bit of 'sidelining' when it involved SALLY calling the shots for activities etc - I began trying more with her and eventually, a breakthrough happened when we moved onto college - I had my own place so would invite people round for movies, drinks etc and she'd always attend and seemed quite content.

As the only boy in the group of friends (apart from OH's) I accepted sometimes I wasn't invited places (spas, girlie sleepovers etc) but I was always included in things like nights out - holidays - parties - dinners etc

That was until 2015 when Sally and the girls moved in together post-university - I began noticing I was never invited around anymore - was rarely messaged - and found out that there was a group chat which I wasn't part of etc - until I confronted my best friend about it last year over dinner which she informed me that Sally didn't want me in the house as I 'terrorised her at school and I always bullied her' < at this point my best friend assured me that NONE of our friendship group (of 8/9 of us) believed her - but they didn't want to argue with her as it causes too much drama.

Last year they all moved out into their own houses - and there's been parties, baby showers and engagement parties aplenty - however I only ever get told about these last minute because they know I have a work schedule that's hectic and I can't help but feel I'm only ever told last because they might secretly hope I can't make it - part of me feels that this is so they don't feel guilty I've not been invited but they hope I can't make it - to avoid any drama. Id like to just say at this point, I have literally no idea why I've been suddenly been made out to be a bully when I think we only ever fell out once - like you do at 14 years old!

There only ever seems to be an issue with her, when she's not benefiting from it - she was fine to attend dinners parties at my flat, for me to drive them all home after a gig etc but suddenly whenever it's not a plan I've made - I seem to always come last.

I've expressed this to my best friend (and the other 2) and they think I'm being overdramatic - except my partner has also noticed this pattern and even he said it's clear to see. My best friend is getting married next year and she's asked me to help organise her hen do - it's something I've always wanted to do and said I'd give her the best time

Whilst I've never had a problem with Sally personally, she's taken it upon herself to always cause an issue between me and the girls - and with me organising the hen do - I've heard from another friend that she's planning to try and organise her own 'surprise hen do' for my friend - I can't help but feel that she's being extremely petty now and trying to push me out completely - but whenever I talk to my best friend (of 25 years!) about it, I feel like she doesn't want to get involved.

I will be devastated if I don't do this for her - but my anxiety is through the roof - theres no way for me to communicate with Sally as she will ignore me - I don't know how to approach all this without my best friend being caught in the middle? Any advice? Sorry for the huge post!

OP posts:
LunaNorth · 20/07/2020 03:21

There are quite a few threads on MN about this kind of thing. MN has a term for it - ‘Wendied’.

It’s hard to know what to suggest. It’s easy to blame Sally, but if your friends were worth their salt, they wouldn’t stand by and see you sidelined like this.

I’m sorry, but in your situation I’d start to extricate myself from the group and start cultivating other friendships. Relationships should enhance your life, not cause you anxiety.

I wouldn’t have been so quick to agree to organise your friend’s hen party, for a start. Gets in touch when she wants something, doesn’t she?

You might find that if you suddenly become less available, your proper friends will realise what they’re missing, and start to value you.

ColdCottage · 20/07/2020 03:24

That sounds tough. There was a girl in our social group since age 11 who didn't like me for years - always felt I threatened her friendship with another girl from primary. We started to get along in our early 30's now we are all fine so there hope (I'm 38).

As for now I'd ignore her and her petty problems, it sounds like they are her issues.

Plan the dream hen and let her do her own thing, everyone will know yours is the official one and she will look petty.

bentley86 · 20/07/2020 03:34

@LunaNorth

There are quite a few threads on MN about this kind of thing. MN has a term for it - ‘Wendied’.

It’s hard to know what to suggest. It’s easy to blame Sally, but if your friends were worth their salt, they wouldn’t stand by and see you sidelined like this.

I’m sorry, but in your situation I’d start to extricate myself from the group and start cultivating other friendships. Relationships should enhance your life, not cause you anxiety.

I wouldn’t have been so quick to agree to organise your friend’s hen party, for a start. Gets in touch when she wants something, doesn’t she?

You might find that if you suddenly become less available, your proper friends will realise what they’re missing, and start to value you.

Me and my best friend are solid as anything, I realised that the post makes it sound like she sidelines me leaves me out etc all the time - It was more during group activities than individual time together - we speak daily on the phone and she actually lives a few doors down from me with her fiance, the whole house share situation was an issue and me and the best friend spoke about it and she said it was more to keep the peace than her not valuing me etc

I have other groups of friends which are really dear to me, it's just with the best friend we've grown up together since literally 2 years old due to our mothers being friends too

I have noticed since I withdrew from many group settings, individually they have all made a lot more effort with me - seems to be the driving force behind the group aminosity is that they are all scared perhaps maybe Sally will cause issues?

OP posts:
Monty27 · 20/07/2020 03:39

Oh you've been wendied. It happens.
I'm sure all will become clear in the fullness of time. Hopefully for the best. 👍

user1481840227 · 20/07/2020 04:13

God I cannot stand fence sitters. Your friends should stick up for you!

user1481840227 · 20/07/2020 04:14

Clicked submit too soon!

No real advice to offer, just try not to take it personally. Unfortunately there are lots of fence sitters and mean people out there!

Monty27 · 20/07/2020 04:17

Friends are friends. You learn to tell the difference.

Monty27 · 20/07/2020 04:19

I submitted my post too soon too Confused
OP don't get sucked into this playground.
Make proper friends Flowers

MyBassIsAce · 20/07/2020 07:44

Yeah, I've been 'wendied' too. It's shit.

You say your friends think you're being over dramatic. I've experienced it when my friends were the ones who told me how much the woman was working against me and they still did nothing! Not my friends...

Your friendship with your actual friends sounds solid, although i agree they shouldn't allow you to be sidelined. But people are quite weak, generally, I find and take the path of least resistance.

The hen party situation is a tough one.

Sadly, some people never quite leave the playground. The last time I experienced this, I was 43!!

In my experience, the only thing to do is to spend more time with the groups of people who don't sideline you and see the valued friends 121.

LunaNorth · 20/07/2020 08:20

Maya Angelou said,

‘Never make someone a priority when all you are to them is an option.’

LunaNorth · 20/07/2020 08:26

IME, group friendships rarely work. There are always petty squabbles, little alliances being formed, bitching behind backs, etc etc.

They’re like families without the blood ties that keep us loyal.

I’d cultivate the one to one friendships that matter the most to you. You might even find that a breakaway group forms and you can sit and have a good bitch about Sally

MrsMoastyToasty · 20/07/2020 08:49

Does Best Friend want/know that Sally is planning a second hen do?
Surely the bride calls the shots on this type of event. A word from Best Friend might be in order.

disappear · 20/07/2020 08:53

Sally can only arrange a secret hen night if the others play along. If they know that you are organising the official hen do, they would tell Sally it was not necessary and that they won’t be going.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 20/07/2020 11:56

regarding the general friendship dynamic, i would be concerned that if you try and force a showdown/resolution, you'll end up on the outside even more.

it's fairly clear that you and Sally's common friends are not interested in setting the record straight with Sally, or calling her out on her revisionism.

if it was me, i would graciously withdraw and concentrate on other friendships. that's not to say you need to end things - still participate where you are comfortable doing so.

as for the hen dos, it kind of depends whether both are likely to be in competition with each other or not.

if Sally's is a spa day with a nice lunch, and yours is a night out - there might be a place for both.

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