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Postnatal Insomnia - please help with tips!

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Cornberry · 19/07/2020 17:31

Being tired makes me anxious, and being anxious stops me sleeping and exhausts me. baby is 12 weeks, and i've almost completely stopped BF to my devastation because of this. So now baby sleeps with dad so he can feed overnight and i sleep alone. It's been five weeks and I'm just getting worse. Doctor gave me phenergan antihistamine but only supposed to take occasionally. Ive been on it for two weeks and it's not working well enough and i need to stop. Ive been through and exceptionally stressful time (father died and house move during horrible pregnancy and gave birth at height of pandemic) but now things are settled i can't shake the anxiety. But insomnia, that's new. I don't have PND, my baby is easy, but i do have health problems. I had to wake up to eat throughout pregnancy and this got worse after birth. Thought reducing feeds would reduce the hunger but it hasn't. Almost like now it's a nervous problem and it keeps me awake. Before I was waking up hungry, but now it's like my body has forgotten how to sleep. Help!

OP posts:
MMmomDD · 19/07/2020 17:54

OP - I had an easy baby. And what turned out to be PND started at about 11weeks. I couldn’t sleep. And I developed anxiety.
GP, and subsequently a specialist first tried to see if a few nights of sleep with some regular sleep aids would help.
But when it didn’t work - it was clear something else was going on.
So I had to get on antidepressants, and a bit of anti-anxiety meds, and some initially strong sleeping pills that had to be slowly reduced. As my brain chemistry got rebalanced with antidepressants - both anxiety and insomnia started to lift.
And eventually I also could get off the other pills.
So - do try to insist on seeing a specialist. PND can present in many different ways. And it’s not shameful to have it

Cornberry · 19/07/2020 18:03

MMmomDD
How do you know that's what it was? I have always suffered from anxiety when tired, since early 20s... i thought it was extreme version of that...

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EastBoundAndDown · 19/07/2020 19:02

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MMmomDD · 19/07/2020 22:33

@Cornberry

In my case - I started with insomnia. And I didn’t immediately think PND it didn’t seem to fit. But now I know it can be one of the symptoms. Anxiety and other more typical symptoms came later for me.

PND seems to have some stigma for you. It doesn’t need to, and no one needs to know, really. Pregnancy and birth affect our bodies and it’s not a sign of weakness.

Not sleeping is terrible. I have been on few hours/night by the then my specialist started to try to find sleeping meds that worked. And it took several tries as weaker pills did nothing. So he knew that in my case I needed antidepressants. And so when after about a month ADs started working - I could reduce sleeping meds and sleep was OK.
It also turned out that I also always had anxiety issues - just they weren’t as pronounced and I managed to control it better. PND amplified it and it became unmanageable without help.

Whatever it is - don’t try to diagnose yourself and ask for help. Because your baby needs you healthy.

Dollyrocket · 19/07/2020 22:38

Also get your thyroid checked.

Cornberry · 19/07/2020 22:40

MMmomDD thanks for the advice. It isn't the stigma, it's just my situation. I have MS and complex stomach issues which caused the sleep issues and it spiralled from there. In a way I wish I could go to the doc and say I think I have PND give me medication, but I need to address the right cause. I don't want to take meds to mask the problem, and I don't think it would work if it's not that. I do suspect a hormonal issue though, I just need to sleep, and I've become so screwed up about sleeping that I can't relax at all. It's hell, as you know.

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Noddy90 · 24/02/2023 18:38

Post Natal Insomnia Cured
I just needed to post on here as I remember experiencing this last year and I was frantically googling for answers everyday hoping there was a light at the end of the tunnel and there was.
At around 6 weeks post partum, I started waking up randomly in the middle of the night wide awake feeling warm and tingly and sometimes sweaty. I would struggle to go back to sleep and became very anxious about this. The anxiety about sleep really made things worse and the sleep deprivation only fuelled the anxiety which was a huge toxic cycle. I did a hormonal test which came up fine and I did a cortisol test which showed high cortisol in the evening. My body was on fight or flight mode. I noticed I would also struggle to deal with any slight bit of stress- I would get slight palpitations and anxiety. At the time, I didn’t think I was anxious but now that i’m out of it I realised I was struggling with anxiety especially around sleep. My brain would tell me I would never sleep normally again. I was constantly stressing about what it was going to be like when I went back to work sleep deprived. I’m a teacher and I get up early for work and it’s a pretty stressful job. The nurses had no clue about post natal insomia at my check up.
I didn’t have this with my first child so I don’t know if it had something to do with having a csection.
I tried everything to get rid of this naturally: ashwaganda, celery juice, magnesium, lavender sprays, baths. Every vitamin I could take. Valerian root. Nothing worked. I was prescribed diazepam to help me sleep if I knew I needed the sleep for the next day. I only took half a tablet a few times a month
just to take the edge off. However, I didn’t want to rely on this and became anxious I was going to be addicted.

Here is what did work:
TIME- when my son was 4 months things started to get better. I would notice I would only have a few bad nights a week this reduced even more so as time went on. It soon became a few bad nights a month.

Stress management- I worked on reducing stress. Yoga nidra helped with unwiring. Going for walks. Deep belly breathing. Do this in the day to calm your cortisol and stress. Don’t do it to try and fall asleep as it will just cause more frustration when you can’t.
Confidence- the more I was able to sleep the more confident I became about sleeping again naturally and I knew if I had a bad night the next night I would be tired and would sleep earlier and knock out straight away.
Running/exercising in the day especially in sunlight.
Tackling new situations and surviving them- my first holiday with the baby was stressful but once it was done and I knew I could get some sleep in. It lessened the insomnia.

When he was around 9 months it was a lot better. However, I would really struggle in new places or sleeping over at my parents. I would also get really anxious about going to sleep late. This was all part of the sleep anxiety that took over and when I was anxious about sleeping in a hotel room I would be awake that night. I knew I would make up the sleep the next day.

I have to say I think a big part of this is hormonal. I did do CBT and that helped and I also went to see a naturopath to work on my diet as well as cupping and acupuncture. However what really helped me was going on Sertraline when he was 1. I did everything I could to do things naturally but the slight anxiety and insomnia would still be there. I was back a work and still struggling with stress
the insomnia wasn’t too bad but I was waking up earlier than I needed to be and that was annoying.

I spoke to my GP and when he turned 1, I went on Sertraline but an extremely low does (25mg half a tablet) worked for me. This is lower than the normal starting dose and it’s not addictive. I felt a sense of shame at the beginning for caving in and going on AD but i’m so glad I did and wished I did sooner. Id didn’t get any side effects being on it and found that after 2-3 weeks the anxiety disappeared and I felt normal. The sleep was a lot better and normal. He’s now 18 months and for the past 6 months i’ve probably only had one bad night. I’ve now tapered off to (25mg half a tablet every other day) and I still feel the same. I think the tablet at this stage is a placebo but I’ll eventually come off it completely. I can honestly say I look forward to sleeping now and feel like like myself. I’ve been promoted at work and managing stress a lot better.

I know it’s hell but this too will pass. See what works for you and don’t be afraid to get the help you need. Happy mother= happy baby.

LilacHazeSun · 30/04/2025 11:14

Noddy90 · 24/02/2023 18:38

Post Natal Insomnia Cured
I just needed to post on here as I remember experiencing this last year and I was frantically googling for answers everyday hoping there was a light at the end of the tunnel and there was.
At around 6 weeks post partum, I started waking up randomly in the middle of the night wide awake feeling warm and tingly and sometimes sweaty. I would struggle to go back to sleep and became very anxious about this. The anxiety about sleep really made things worse and the sleep deprivation only fuelled the anxiety which was a huge toxic cycle. I did a hormonal test which came up fine and I did a cortisol test which showed high cortisol in the evening. My body was on fight or flight mode. I noticed I would also struggle to deal with any slight bit of stress- I would get slight palpitations and anxiety. At the time, I didn’t think I was anxious but now that i’m out of it I realised I was struggling with anxiety especially around sleep. My brain would tell me I would never sleep normally again. I was constantly stressing about what it was going to be like when I went back to work sleep deprived. I’m a teacher and I get up early for work and it’s a pretty stressful job. The nurses had no clue about post natal insomia at my check up.
I didn’t have this with my first child so I don’t know if it had something to do with having a csection.
I tried everything to get rid of this naturally: ashwaganda, celery juice, magnesium, lavender sprays, baths. Every vitamin I could take. Valerian root. Nothing worked. I was prescribed diazepam to help me sleep if I knew I needed the sleep for the next day. I only took half a tablet a few times a month
just to take the edge off. However, I didn’t want to rely on this and became anxious I was going to be addicted.

Here is what did work:
TIME- when my son was 4 months things started to get better. I would notice I would only have a few bad nights a week this reduced even more so as time went on. It soon became a few bad nights a month.

Stress management- I worked on reducing stress. Yoga nidra helped with unwiring. Going for walks. Deep belly breathing. Do this in the day to calm your cortisol and stress. Don’t do it to try and fall asleep as it will just cause more frustration when you can’t.
Confidence- the more I was able to sleep the more confident I became about sleeping again naturally and I knew if I had a bad night the next night I would be tired and would sleep earlier and knock out straight away.
Running/exercising in the day especially in sunlight.
Tackling new situations and surviving them- my first holiday with the baby was stressful but once it was done and I knew I could get some sleep in. It lessened the insomnia.

When he was around 9 months it was a lot better. However, I would really struggle in new places or sleeping over at my parents. I would also get really anxious about going to sleep late. This was all part of the sleep anxiety that took over and when I was anxious about sleeping in a hotel room I would be awake that night. I knew I would make up the sleep the next day.

I have to say I think a big part of this is hormonal. I did do CBT and that helped and I also went to see a naturopath to work on my diet as well as cupping and acupuncture. However what really helped me was going on Sertraline when he was 1. I did everything I could to do things naturally but the slight anxiety and insomnia would still be there. I was back a work and still struggling with stress
the insomnia wasn’t too bad but I was waking up earlier than I needed to be and that was annoying.

I spoke to my GP and when he turned 1, I went on Sertraline but an extremely low does (25mg half a tablet) worked for me. This is lower than the normal starting dose and it’s not addictive. I felt a sense of shame at the beginning for caving in and going on AD but i’m so glad I did and wished I did sooner. Id didn’t get any side effects being on it and found that after 2-3 weeks the anxiety disappeared and I felt normal. The sleep was a lot better and normal. He’s now 18 months and for the past 6 months i’ve probably only had one bad night. I’ve now tapered off to (25mg half a tablet every other day) and I still feel the same. I think the tablet at this stage is a placebo but I’ll eventually come off it completely. I can honestly say I look forward to sleeping now and feel like like myself. I’ve been promoted at work and managing stress a lot better.

I know it’s hell but this too will pass. See what works for you and don’t be afraid to get the help you need. Happy mother= happy baby.

Just to let you know you’re an angel for posting the positives. Like you I’m trawling the net (fueling the fire for sure) ready to start ADs as I think this will help me too!

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