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Husband keeps making nasty remarks

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Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 09:06

My husband is usually lovely. I have had physical and mental health issues in recent years and he has been very patient and caring. I'm not saying this to excuse what I'm about to explain, but for context.

Recently, around once a week or so he has come out with something pointedly nasty. Things that he knows I feel vulnerable or upset about. Either out of the blue or in the middle of the very mildest disagreement.

I called him a jokey name (some may find offensive, he has not previously) that I'd called him before with no reaction, in relation to him having a grumble. He said that 'You obviously need some help being re-introduced to society, you've spent too much time on your own and don't know how to interact with people any more'.

I had a breakdown last year and I've been working at home recently so I don't see many people. He's also made several comments about me talking 'at' him. I've tried to give him a bit of space when he comes home from work but even two hours after he's got home he often doesn't seem to want to talk.

Last night we were on the sofa chatting together. A few minutes previously we'd been talking about what he was going to do for dinner but the conversation had moved on. He got up mid way through the chat and I assumed he was coming back, but it turned out that he'd started dinner for himself and loading the dishwasher. I didn't know what was going on, and when I realised that he wasn't going to be coming back for at least forty minutes, I said 'Oh, so you aren't coming back then?' (a bit sarcastically, because I could have been getting on with something else) and he replied with 'Sorry for not asking you for permission!'
We hadn't been having a disagreement previously. His mother has previously made comments about me being controlling so he knows that I'm sensitive about this sort of a comment. Like lots of men, he's not bothered about plenty of things, so I usually have to decide things like what we're doing or eating in any particular day, or we'd literally starve and do nothing. He would happily sit playing computer games all day. I do ask him what he wants but he doesn't engage at all. So being told I'm controlling is a bit of a bugbear!

It's mostly minor but it is hurtful. The worst thing is that when I try and talk about it with him he denies that it has come from anywhere. Every time! If there was something I needed to work on, I could try, but I don't know what is making him be nasty. I only realised he needed a bit of space after work from my own deduction.

Has anyone been in a similar situation with a positive outcome or does anyone have any constructive advice to give? We're both human here and I just want to try and find a way through this.

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FortunesFave · 16/07/2020 09:19

To separate the issues a bit...first I'm going to mention the issue with him going off to cook and load the dishwasher.

It seems from that story that you might be a bit too insular...a bit over-close to him OP.

I understand you've been unwell...and that it can be difficult to see things as others see them but it seems quite demanding of you to want to know exactly what his next move is when he's at home.

You say He got up mid way through the chat but how do you know it was midway? And even if it was, he's at home...he can do what he likes surely?

I sometimes just leave a room where DH and I are sitting and talking...because it's my home and I can do that. I might just leave or I might say where I'm going...the point is that it seems like such a minor thing to get upset about.

The name calling...maybe it has bothered him but he's never mentioned it. Or maybe it's only just started to bother him. Either way, his remark wasn't at all "nasty" as you put it in your OP.

He was pointed yes...a bit unkind maybe? But nasty? No.

Nasty is name calling OP...or swearing at someone in a mean way.

Maybe you need to mix more with others? Do you see any friends or family?

Northernparent68 · 16/07/2020 09:48

Fortunesfave is right, It does sound fairly intense. Micro managing someone never works out

LemonTT · 16/07/2020 09:56

The only example of nastiness is call someone by an offensive name. He obviously doesn’t like it and has humoured you in the past. Now he clearly is saying he doesn’t like it. This is something you need to accept. I hope you didn’t challenge that and get him to back down.

The second half of what you write is contradictory. You complain about him being decisive in preparing food and tidying up. Then you complain he doesn’t think for himself and would never so these things.

He can’t win can he?

It sounds like you like him to dance to your tune and consider any other behaviour nasty. That’s a bit controlling. You are essentially asking for permission to be angry when he doesn’t agree with you or do what you want.

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 09:56

I'll try and see this as an opportunity to reflect on my own behaviour. Thank you.

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Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 09:58

Please try and be kind though. I've been through a lot. I'm not trying to make life difficult for him.

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rottiemum88 · 16/07/2020 10:02

@Ellebellebelle

Please try and be kind though. I've been through a lot. I'm not trying to make life difficult for him.
No one has been unkind to you. Are you always so over sensitive?
rottiemum88 · 16/07/2020 10:08

For what it's worth, I also don't see where your husband has been nasty. You reference yourself calling him a name and making a sarcastic remark. Neither of those things are particularly kind. If he wants to get up and go start making dinner in his own house, pretty sure that should be ok. It's very intense to expect that you get to decide you're at "the end" of a particular conversation before he's allowed to move on to another activity.

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 10:08

We've always been close knit. We have similar interests and both enjoy spending time together. Lockdown and spending so much time alone may have made me be intense in a way that isn't healthy. I've referred myself for counselling again now.

The first conversation I referred to was jovial in tone before he said that. I don't think I made that clear. I appreciate that he may not have liked what I said (again, in jovial conversation), so I won't say it again. His response to me was also phrased in a jovial way, although I obviously found it hurtful. I appreciate that this seems to have applied both ways.

The dinner conversation was prompted by me reminding him that his food was going off. Looking back on it, I can see that it was trivial and I shouldn't have said anything.

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ThePlantsitter · 16/07/2020 10:15

If you've been in lock down together maybe you just need a bit of time away from each other. I just mean a weekend or something.

Honestly I don't think that examining every tiny thing you do is going to either help the situation or be good for your mental health. He needs to tell you if there are things he wants you to stop doing and you can decide if it's reasonable.

If you go back to counselling (not to fix yourself for your husband but because counselling is a good idea anyway) and find one or two things to occupy you that are not your husband this may work itself out.

GroggyLegs · 16/07/2020 10:21

My DH has been working from.home since March and will continue to do so.
I work 3 days out if the house & go and see friends occasionally etc.

He is not chatty & works upstairs, but I have still struggled a bit with not having a moment to myself in my own home. I'm either with people, working or driving. When I get home someone is always following me from room to room, or being aware of what I'm doing & can't resist a comment - or to be fair it's probably just conversation, but it feels like a comment!

I appreciate how lucky I am, and yet, I still find it intense at times. If my DH was behaving as you have described the interactions above, I would find it very draining.

I don't think you should give yourself a hard time over this though - you've recognised it's a bit much & sounds like you're working hard to adjust to this weird new normal we're all in.

Is there any way you could both have a nice time away from each other for a day? Give each other a bit if space & come back with something new to talk about?

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 11:04

I think having a bit of space from each other would be a good idea. We both have nights where we do classes online in separate rooms, but it's not quite the same as going out and doing things, so it's been hard.

Thank you to everyone who has made suggestions about how I can try and improve this, I really appreciate it.

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EKGEMS · 16/07/2020 11:43

It sounds nasty but not as mean as some previous posters! He's being cruel to you

dogperson05 · 16/07/2020 11:47

But why would you wait 40 mins before checking on him? I would assume after a few minute he was away doing something then I'd get on with whatever if I didn't want to sit on sofa alone? I don't think it's his fault you waited for 40 mins and then got annoyed at wasting your own time when you had other things you could have been busy doing in that time

vikingwife · 16/07/2020 11:53

You say that you’ve been called controlling your MIL & explain this by saying you always have to make decisions because (paraphrasing here ) he is so laid back & blasé about things you would literally starve

Yet in the example you give of him walking away from you mid chat, he was going into the kitchen to cook dinner.

Am genuinely confused why you couldn’t continue the conversation in the kitchen, while setting the table or pouring a drink, etc. it seems like something that would annoy me personally, because when I’m at home like to be able to “potter” from room to room without feeling like I have to stay in one place. Admittedly my living/dining/kitchen area is open plan, so don’t know how far he walked away - is the kitchen on the other end of the house, or is it just in the next room?

Either way it’s hard to know when a conversation is “over” - indeed when have felt most in love, it felt like a conversation which never really ended....

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 12:05

Sorry for any confusion, it was after literally a few minutes I realised he wasn't coming back. We were wrapped around each other on the sofa talking and he got up as if to go the loo or get a drink. I was mid sentence when he left, I was literally trying to decide what to have for dinner myself. When I'm not here he will either not eat or have cereal, he doesn't seem to get hungry as often as I do. Which is absolutely up to him when I'm not around, just tricky when I don't know whether to cook for us both or not (one veggie, one meat eater) and someone has to decide. It doesn't really matter. I'm emotional at the moment and I've apologised for overreacting.

Now I've stepped back from the situation a bit, I think I've been lonely and it's made me smother him somewhat. Because he's not great at talking about his feelings, it's coming out in other ways. I still don't think implying that someone is not fit for society in a conversation that had been jovial is a very nice thing to say to someone who has been unwell. But we process feelings in different ways, and I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I've apologised entirely for last night, and said I'll try and give him more space. I've also asked him to try and tell me how he's feeling if he becomes aware of it though.

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SoulofanAggron · 16/07/2020 12:20

I actually found his dishwasher incident quite rude. If I was having a conversation with someone I wouldn't just up and leave, I'd say 'I'm just going to load the dishwasher/put my tea on etc, back in a minute.' Even if I was going to get a drink I'd say 'I'm just going to get a drink- can I fetch you one.'

His comment about you being incapable of mixing with people or something was really cruel, as it's hitting right at the centre of your anxiety. Even if it were true (I don't think it is) there were probably other ways he could've put it, or not said anything at all, just helped you get out more etc.

Does he tend to take his feelings about life out on you?

I think maybe he takes you for granted, if he thinks he can avoid you for long periods of time in the evenings.

It sounds as if you are feeling unwanted. Sad

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 12:42

External things have been tough on us recently. The pandemic has meant fairly major life plans we had are probably on hold, and adjusting to that has been hard for both of us. We have been being careful about how often we go out because my mum is shielding and I deliver her food and sit outside with her. I've found out that I need to have another operation this week, and we had to rush the dog to the vet (all looking okay on that front, touch wood). We both want to study and change career and probably can't right now. It's just a lot. I can't blame him for feeling bogged down by it too. I think he's probably in a bit of a daydream some of the time, which is probably why he didn't mention that he was off to cook. There's every possibility he wasn't listening and was somewhere else entirely.

He's generally a brilliant husband. There's only so much I can help him if he won't talk to me :(. I have tried.

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Northernparent68 · 16/07/2020 13:44

Help him with what ? Why does he have to express every emotion and thought ? I’m wondering if your mil is right

Ellebellebelle · 16/07/2020 13:58

Thank you to the majority of you who have been constructive and tried to help, I really, really appreciate it.

I think I've got what I can from this, so I won't be back. Take care.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 16/07/2020 14:19

I don't think anything he did sounds nasty. I don't announce what I'm going to do everytime I leave a room, however you comment sounds quite passive aggressive.

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