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What to say to a friend who I think is in an abusive relationship

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Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 19:04

Name changed as this is outing

I've known this friend for about 4 years, she's been with her husband since I've known her. I strongly suspect he is abusive, verbally, emotionally, financially and just generally controlling. I have never liked him, whenever I hang out with the both of them he dominates the space and conversation, and is very attention seeking and narcissistic. She doesn't talk to me a great deal about their relationship problems but every now and then she'll go through a phase of talking about them and lots of stuff comes out of the woodwork. She's in one of these phases right now. He controls what she spends, belittles her, is jealous and cold when she sees family and friends and sulks afterwards, he threatens to kill himself whenever she brings up any issues or express an emotion, it seems like he convinces her that she is too sensitive or emotional if she critisises him at all, he flies off the handle at the drop of a hat, she has said that living with him feels like walking on eggshells. She rarely speaks up or voices an opinion or need because of all of the above. It's hard to explain in a way as a lot of it is very subtle but I can see how controlled she is by him in a really insidious way. She minimises a lot of what he does and talks as if the issues are a two way street and analyses her role in it/blames herself.

I don't know what to do or say. I always encourage her to open up and gently try and challenge her to see his behaviour in another light but I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I am wary to go in hard and say he is abusive as I dont want to alienate her as she doesn't have many other friends local to her. Am I reading too much into this and if not what do i do?

I'm not worried about her physical safety but I feel so so sad for her that she has to deal with this constant chipping away at her self esteem and autonomy. I really dont think she would ever leave him either as she is scared to be alone and desperately wants a baby (they are trying)

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greenestolives · 13/07/2020 19:09

Oh dear God please, not a baby. Please try and persuade her to change her mind about that.

Do you ever see her on her own, without him there?

Dery · 13/07/2020 19:13

It sounds like you're handling it the best way possible.

Keep yourself open to discussions with her but don't push too hard because that may drive her away. Difficult as it is - it's also worth keeping him on side (by which I mean don't call him out or argue with him, which I'm sure you wouldn't do) so that he 'allows' your friendship to continue. If he regards you as a threat to the relationship, he will try to isolate her from you too.

There is actually a book specifically directed at people trying to help someone who is suffering from abuse and which you might find helpful: Helping Her Get Free: www.goodreads.com/book/show/1047513.Helping_Her_Get_Free

Good luck.

Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 19:33

Do you ever see her on her own, without him there?

Yes most of the time as I don't like hanging out with him. We usually meet out and about or she comes to mine. More challenging with lockdown, which is maybe why she's going through a bad phase with him atm.

Difficult as it is - it's also worth keeping him on side (by which I mean don't call him out or argue with him, which I'm sure you wouldn't do) so that he 'allows' your friendship to continue this is really good advice, I hadn't thought about that. I already feel like he frowns on our friendship! And thanks for the book recommendation, so sad that that book has to exist.

How do I persuade her to change her mind about having a baby with him?! I think in my head I've thought that, if she did, shed be more likely to leave him(because she really wants a baby and once she has one she wont need him anymore) but even writing that I can hear how nieve that sounds

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Rebelwithallthecause · 13/07/2020 19:38

Say anything
Just don’t say nothing at all like most my friends did until they knew I’d run away from him after hellish many years and they all piped up about the abuse they witnessed then

Rebelwithallthecause · 13/07/2020 19:39

At least you see it. I even had a very good friend who didn’t see it all and when I told her I had left and asked for a place to stay the night as I had no where to go she didn’t see anything wrong with his behaviour and even stayed friends with him over me !

We were each others bridesmaids Sad

She then had the cheek to tell another friend she was upset with me because I’d met someone new (some months later)

Sorry for hijack

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 13/07/2020 19:47

Does she realise thst what he is doing is abuse? Would she read the abuser profiles on mn?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/07/2020 19:50

I'd just recommend to her to join Mumsnet, under the guise of it being a handy place for reading when TTCing. Just menti9j as well that it has lots of boards, fashion, relationships etc.

bronzedgodesswannabe · 13/07/2020 19:56

deffo get her to join mumsnet
One look at the relationship board and she will soon recognise herself in the hundreds of posts made by abused women

Tell her it's really good for ttc or something and then next time you see her say omg I saw a post on the relationship board on mumsnet the other day
It was so funny, you should read it
Then hopefully she might find herself scrolling on there

Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 19:58

I don't think she does realise it's abuse. She minimises it and blames a lot of it on herself. That feels like half the battle, getting her to see that it is. What could make her see that? Is there ever and aha moment? I think she knows he's less than ideal but she has a big fear of being alone, she's never been single

Sorry for your shitty friends rebel, that's shocking behaviour... but well done for leaving him Grin

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Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 20:00

Very good idea about getting her to join mumsnet. I've learnt so much on here

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Rebelwithallthecause · 13/07/2020 20:09

It was joining mumsnet that got me to see it for what it really was

I owe a lot to people on here

hellolittlebaby · 13/07/2020 20:24

"What could make her see that? Is there ever and aha moment?"

Quite honestly? Mumsnet. I agree with the PP. I joined three years ago while TTC. Still here now and have learnt so much. 100% tell her to join. Say you can talk to other women trying too.

Juanmorebeer · 13/07/2020 20:28

Know anything about his past relationship history OP? You could do a Clares Law disclosure on behalf of her as a worried friend.

Just Google Clares law and your local police force for how to do it.

If he has anything logged in his past that police think she should know they will turn up and tell her. She wouldn't know it was you who did the request.

Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 20:50

I doubt he would have anything logged on his record. He's a surgeon.

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Helpafriend18 · 13/07/2020 20:51

Not saying doctors aren't abusers just that I imagine they need DBS checks

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JorisBonson · 13/07/2020 21:16

Agree with PP's. Get her to come on here. I was a long time lurker and reading some of the threads on here made me spring into action.

Only IMO, there's not a lot you can say other than you will be there for her whenever she needs you. I was very good at hiding the fact it was abusive, but not the fact I was unhappy. Just knowing there was someone there when I eventually did leave made things a little less scary.

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