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My friend's dp is having an affair and I'm fast losing sympathy for her

44 replies

Exjasper · 11/07/2020 00:47

I know that sounds awful of me but I genuinely think now that she's being ridiculous for hanging on in her terrible relationship.

She found out last year her dp had an affair lasting for about 2 years. She was completely devastated and we spent hours talking. He told her that the affair had meant nothing to him, it was just sex, just an escape from life's mundanity etc. He bent over backwards to convince her how sorry he was, how much he loved her and their dc, how he would never do it again and how he would never have anything more to do with the ow.

About six weeks later she caught him with a second phone about to ring the same woman again. He swore it was the first time he'd spoken to ow since my friend discovered the phone (yeah, right), and just wanted to check she was ok as had heard rumours that she was struggling.

For most of last year, her dp tried hard to convince her of his regret, he took her on weekends away, they went on holiday, tried to do more as a couple etc.

At the beginning of this year, she happened to see a text on his phone from the ow. Her dp claimed it was a one off and had just been about some legal issues the ow was having (her dp is a solicitor).

In April this year she found a couple more texts - again her dp talked his way out of it.

In May, she - yes you've guessed it - found yet more texts. On that occasion, her dp had been drinking and fell asleep before deleting the texts between him and the ow. At this point, my friend got hold of an itemised phone bill which showed hours of phone conversations between her dp and the ow, and thousands of texts.

They have done nothing in the last 18 months but argue, on about 6 occasions she's told him to leave but either she's backed down or he's talked her round.

They are both unhappy, she doesn't trust him at all, and I cannot see how they can continue like this for the rest of their lives. I've spent hours and hours listening to her, trying to give her my opinion, dragged her away for a couple of weekends to give her some space away from him, I've tried everything I can think of including telling her that I think she's wrong to stick with him, including saying nothing at all, including asking her to confide in other friends to see what their opinions are (they all think she should get rid of him too).

I cannot think of what else to do or how else to help her, and I'm embarrassed to say that I'm starting to lose patience with her. I just cannot get my head around how she thinks this will work out. It's a horrible situation where she checks his phone constantly, rings him numerous times a day, has a tracker app on his phone, is permanently angry or upset, has lost loads of weight etc. What do I do? I hate seeing her like this and seeing her wasting her life on this piece of garbage :(.

OP posts:
Luzina · 11/07/2020 00:52

Could you maybe just say to her that you feel very strongly that it would be better if she ended her marriage and then leave it at that. Its absolutely impossible to know truly how she feels or why she isn't leaving. You can't make the decision for her. If she needs to rant, let her rant. If she outright asks for your opinion remind her gently that you have told her you think she should leave. Nothing else you can do. She'll get there when she's ready.

Smallsteps88 · 11/07/2020 00:55

Tbh I think I’d have to say “I’m sorry, but can we just not discuss him and his cheating anymore? It’s just more of the same and my opinion hasn’t changed so there’s not much point in talking about it.”

youhave4substitutes · 11/07/2020 00:55

"If she needs to rant, let her rant"

There becomes a point when as the "shoulder to cry on" this becomes utterly draining.

Just back off OP and leave her to it. Clearly tell her that she knows he's been cheating the whole time and that if she chooses to ignore that it's up to her. But only once and only if she asks.

StormTreader · 11/07/2020 00:58

"That sounds really tough, what are you going to do about it?"

People who just want to drain your emotional energy start getting really uncomfortable when you start asking them what actual steps they are planning to take. If she just wants constant venting and sympathy, she'll start looking elsewhere.

Smallsteps88 · 11/07/2020 00:59

@StormTreader

"That sounds really tough, what are you going to do about it?"

People who just want to drain your emotional energy start getting really uncomfortable when you start asking them what actual steps they are planning to take. If she just wants constant venting and sympathy, she'll start looking elsewhere.

Oh I like this suggestion!
SionnachGlic · 11/07/2020 01:05

If the frustration is causing you stress, say to her that your opinion, based on all you've heard of his behaviour & the her emotional & physical deterioration (if that's what is is), is that she is unhappy, he is unfaithful & ypu think she should leave...but that continously having the same conversation is causing you frustration/angst/ annoyance( whichever it is) & that if she is choosing to stay, you will support her as you are friends but would prefer not to hear the latest suspicions, rows, discussions. I am sure loads will pile on that friendship should be handholding thro thick & thin...but sometimes friends just need to be told that enough is enough to get them to cop on. It can be so draining liatening to it for months running into a couple of years & advice constantly asked but never ever listened to.

Hiccupiscal · 11/07/2020 01:05

@StormTreader

"That sounds really tough, what are you going to do about it?"

People who just want to drain your emotional energy start getting really uncomfortable when you start asking them what actual steps they are planning to take. If she just wants constant venting and sympathy, she'll start looking elsewhere.

This Repeat each time she starts going on.... When she says ...."well, nothing....what can i do etc" Say.... "well thats your problem isn't it? You don't do anything. Two choices. Leave and be happy. Accept hes a cheat and will continue to do so and be happy hes a man that has extra martial affairs and wasting your energy fighting it. Those are your options and until you decide which one to take, I cannot be a sounding board for you anymore.

So what are you going to do?"

I would be inclined to rudely interrupt everytime she starts to go down that route...

"Again, what are you going to do about it?"

Tough love now.

Exjasper · 11/07/2020 01:07

Thank you for your replies. I have said things to her like "what do you want your future to look like?" And "will you ever trust him again" and "what do you think you need to do or need to happen to be happy?"

I completely understand that she loves him
(he's the only man she's ever known) but I truly don't think she's helping herself any more. She just wants things to go back to the way they were which of course can never happen. I've not said this to her but I suspect her dp has strong feelings for the ow but not strong enough to leave my friend, perhaps because of finances or their dc or something.

I don't want to abandon her (and I won't) but I can't help in any constructive way any more, and I'm starting to feel exasperated.

OP posts:
WhitbyGoth · 11/07/2020 01:07

I think he should do the right thing and leave, if his DP meant anything he would not of continued the affair. He is having his cake and eating it.

Hiccupiscal · 11/07/2020 01:08

Posting again without errors lol!

"well thats your problem isn't it? You don't ever do anything. Two choices.
Leave and be happy.

OR Accept hes a cheat and will continue to do so. Then you can be happy, accepting hes a man that has extra martial affairs and that you've been wasting your energy fighting it.

Those are your options and until you decide which one to take, I cannot be a sounding board for you anymore"

.....its late. Im tired. Probably still reads wrong. Sorry op! Grin

BuffaloMozzerella · 11/07/2020 01:14

It sounds harsh but sometimes people start acting once you've withdrawn the support a little. There can be something about having a permanent shoulder to cry on which can actually sustain a situation as they are getting everything off their chest and then feel better afterwards.

If you take a small step back so you are not always quite as available, you may find she starts to take action.

Exjasper · 11/07/2020 01:18

No I get you Hiccup, thank you!

I think I will have to do the repeating the same thing as Storm suggested, and just keep saying it over and over. I'm getting to the point where my heart sinks when I see her name flash up on my phone, or I know we're meeting. She is a lovely person who doesn't deserve this shit, but she's completely consumed by it all, and I think her dc are not featuring as largely as they should in the lives of their parents :(.

OP posts:
Nitpickpicnic · 11/07/2020 01:21

Point her firmly towards therapy (for herself). Find someone good, make an appointment if you have to.

Part of the problem is that you cannot help her, no matter how good an ‘ear’ you are. In fact, it sounds like she uses you to decompress in order for her to go back in the ring for another round. That’s actually a dynamic closer to enabling her than supporting her out of the marriage, isn’t it?

Get off this merry-go-round, shove her (with love) to a trained professional and put a firm boundary in place about not talking about him. Police your boundary by gently reminding her when she starts up, then leaving the conversation (again gently) if it happens again. She’ll need help to escape her dynamic with you, let alone her dynamic with him.

I’ve seen it happen so many times that one hour with a therapist can prompt determined action, after eleventy-billion pointless hours ranting or crying with friends. I’ve been on both ends of this myself! Grin

Icepinkeskimo · 11/07/2020 01:30

There comes a time when you have to pull away from some friends, not because you don't care about them, but because mentally they rinse you of all your emotions and you are left flatter than a pancake.

I have not one but two friends who turn to me for advice, or a shoulder to cry on and I have always been there for both of them. Neither one has acted on changing their ongoing situation/crisis, so I can totally relate to you OP. I started dreading the phone calls the texts and meeting up with them. God forgive me but I couldn't do it anymore. I ended up feeling so mentally drained it made me depressed.

It was like they threw all their crap on me walked away and the next day would do the same. I had heard the goings on hundreds of times, and they would just go on and on about it. There was no room left for any other conversation, and this bore out when I lost another friend who committed suicide. I was heartbroken, and then started thinking if I had been there more for the one person who really needed help could I have helped him? I will never know as it was too late.

By the way neither of these two needy friends offered any support when I would have really appreciated a hand hold.

I'm am so sorry to say this but you may need to pull away from this friend, for your own sake.

Just as a foot note regarding these two 'needy' friends neither of their situations have changed, and that in itself indicates to me, you cannot help some friends.

I know I may sound harsh, but honestly the effects of listening to the same story for over two years is mental torture.

SummerCherry · 11/07/2020 01:42

A good friend will be straight - tell her what you’ve told us. That you understand it’s awful, but that it’ll do her no good to go around in circles. That you will be her friend, but more as a distraction and to talk about other stuff.

It’s tough as I do think serial cheating in a relationship is a form of abuse, and it’s hard to get out of. I know because my Ex did this - and he did it when I was financially and emotionally vulnerable and tied to him. I really noticed that my friends were uncomfortable with the fact that I didn’t leave. I gave him chances, and asked him to leave. Unfortunately it was his house, I wasn’t married, and we had a child so I really was quite stuck. Your friend is stuck for other reasons.

I was glad my friends were straight with me, I didn’t really want to talk about it for a while, as I knew it was a rubbish situation but couldn’t leave and he wouldn’t - I know they were thinking ‘oh she should just go’ and I respected that - but it can be quite tricky - he has the upper hand emotionally and yet he’s stringing her along.

Porridgeoat · 11/07/2020 02:04

Just be honest with her. Ask her what she is going to do about it? Keep asking. She needs to switch from expressing her experiences to looking for solutions

1forAll74 · 11/07/2020 02:15

You really should not keep up all this trying to help and advise your friend,as you will always be in a head spin about it all. If your friend is unwilling,or incapable of dealing with her issues, then that is her problem. She maybe will keep living with this cheating partner,for who knows when, until one day, she will see the light,and get out of all this mess of a relationship.

LaGoulueRevenue · 11/07/2020 02:19

What is it with people's ideas of listening being transactional, and that they are entitled in return to have their views taken on board and get shitty about it when it doesn't work out for them?
If you can't be the friend your friend needs, then just tell her you can't listen or support anymore.

Ploughingthrough · 11/07/2020 02:20

I have a friend who spent a long time coming to terms with her DHs affair and the way he treated her. For a long time she wanted to try and hang on, even though he didn't deserve her. As a friend, I considered my role to listen, try not to judge her decisions, tell what I would do in her situation, and eventually be there for her when she did see the light.
You cannot make people's decisions for them - just be there for her while she gets there in her own time.

Aquamarine1029 · 11/07/2020 02:31

I'd be done with her. At this point she is the maker of her own misery.

snowqu33n · 11/07/2020 02:43

Can you say something like:

“Why don’t we put together a back-up plan in case he leaves you? Just to be on the safe side. I know some women are shocked to find that their DP has a full exit plan and the woman is left high and dry.”

She might be paralyzed by fear of a future outside the relationship and once she gets started making a plan and taking a few steps to protect herself she will feel able to make a change.

earthyfire · 11/07/2020 03:03

I know someone whose husband has been having an affair/double life for 20 years and a child with the OW. My friend has just accepted it, when she initially found out I had to tell her to either stop telling me or do something about it. Sounds insensitive but even now 20 years on she's never left him and he has continued his double life - she just chooses to ignore it now.

MsDogLady · 11/07/2020 05:34

For her sake and yours, you really do need to change the dynamic here.

Allowing her continuous venting just reinforces her unproductive rumination. I agree with others that you need to redirect her toward positive planning and action. She would greatly benefit from individual counseling to express her feelings, organize her thoughts, and learn productive coping strategies.

hampstead1234 · 11/07/2020 09:17

I wonder if she is frightened of not being in a relationship?

SandyY2K · 11/07/2020 09:25

He'll never stop because she isn't going anywhere.

I understand how you feel it's frustrating being the friend and seeing this happen.

I know she wants the marriage to work, but no contact with the OW should be a must.

There's a good site for infidelity support you could direct her too...the members have been where she is and won't just say LTB... but they'll give sound supportive advice.

Tell her to have a look and maybe she can post her story
www.survivinginfidelity.com