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Am I being controlling?

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Iamtheproblem · 10/07/2020 21:43

ExH and I split a few years ago due to his violence. We share a DD who is almost 6.

There’s a CAO in place but it does not stipulate who is responsible for pick up and drop offs, in court I stated that I wanted to do all pick-ups and drop offs. Court said it was unusual as usually the abuser would be responsible for those, but they wouldn’t stop me. He insisted he be allowed to pick her up from school 1 night a week though. Contact is EOW for 24 hours and 1 night a week for tea.

I have PTSD because of what happened to me, I have extreme trusts issues to the point it’s unlikely I’ll ever have another relationship as I don’t even trust my own family. I have had and am stilling having counselling.

The only thing of the whole situation I can control is pick up and drop offs, I cannot stop DD seeing her father (and I wouldn’t no matter what he’s done), I cannot control how he parents or what happens while she’s there, I can’t even force him to listen to the medical advice to do with her medical issues (trust me I’ve tried but unless what he does directly harms her he doesn’t have to follow it). At least I know she will be there on time and returned to me on time.

ExH recently moved. He is refusing to tell me his new address, keeps telling me he is now in charge of pick ups and drop offs, and there’s nothing I can do. He calls me horribly controlling as do his family, saying I am ruining his time with his daughter, and that he should be allowed to return her when “he sees fit, if that’s never then I will have to learn what it’s like to be apart from my daughter”. He returns her late every time, ignores texts messages, and basically doesn’t care, he says it’s my own fault for splitting up her family and they have a right to see her. Last Sunday he returned her 2 and a half hours late (was due to return her at 5.30 and I got her back at 8pm she had school the next day!) his excuse was a family gathering – the first since lockdown started apparently. I’ve called the police before but they’ve said without powers of arrest attached to the court order all they can do is a safe and well check and they can’t tell me where she is if her father choses not to return her to me.

I’m trying to go back to court as my solicitor thinks I should at least know his address and that if he won’t return her to me on time then I should be responsible for pickups but it’s all been delayed by covid and it’s looking likely due to the backlog we won’t receive a court date for a long time yet. My solicitor has told me not to withhold contact at all until we have a court date because he could get an emergency hearing if I do which makes me look petty.

I don’t know whether this is all worth it? Whether I am being controlling by not letting him just do what he wants. I don’t want to stop her seeing him (even though she hates going and has told her teacher that) but I want to know where she is and that I will get her back at the time on the court order, or at least within a reasonable timescale (5-10 minutes) and that problems or extensions of contact should be discussed with me. But I worry that I am doing the wrong thing, I have DD for 95% of the time, I can basically do what I want with her, and on days she doesn’t have school or anything the next day then of course I might keep her out after 5.30pm (and do so).

All through our relationship ExH told me I was the controlling one, that I was suffocating him and he hated me, so I don’t know whether I’m clouded by that. Please tell me straight if I am the problem.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2020 22:05

No you are not the problem here at all. He is and he is projecting here. He is still the one here suffocating you, controlling you and hating you. Such men truly hate women, ALL of them.

He has not changed since you were together and went onto separate from, this is who he is.

Ask your own self why you do not want to stop your DD from seeing him given how he abuses and controls you still as her mother. You certainly would not want her to be with a man like her dad when she establishes her own adult relationships.

If you have not as yet spoken to either Womens Aid or the Rights of Women (particularly them here as they can give legal advice) I would urge you to make contact with these organisations asap, certainly this week.

What do you think of what your DD is saying re her dad, she does not want to see him and has told her teacher the same. Is your Solicitor aware of this comment from her?. How adept is your Solicitor too at dealing with such manipulative abusers like your ex?.

Iamtheproblem · 10/07/2020 22:09

@AttilaTheMeerkat

No you are not the problem here at all. He is and he is projecting here. He is still the one here suffocating you, controlling you and hating you. Such men truly hate women, ALL of them.

He has not changed since you were together and went onto separate from, this is who he is.

Ask your own self why you do not want to stop your DD from seeing him given how he abuses and controls you still as her mother. You certainly would not want her to be with a man like her dad when she establishes her own adult relationships.

If you have not as yet spoken to either Womens Aid or the Rights of Women (particularly them here as they can give legal advice) I would urge you to make contact with these organisations asap, certainly this week.

What do you think of what your DD is saying re her dad, she does not want to see him and has told her teacher the same. Is your Solicitor aware of this comment from her?. How adept is your Solicitor too at dealing with such manipulative abusers like your ex?.

I have spoken to both Women's Aid and Rights of Women both told me I had no chance of stopping contact between DD and her father unless he hurt her and even then he'd have to put her at deaths door, a slap or whatever wouldn't be enough, so I truly believe I have to be ok with her going otherwise I'd drive myself mad.

When she told her teacher it was reported to SS, and I mentioned it to my solicitor but it was glossed over in court as a child not liking her parents being apart. My solicitor has pushed it, but the courts threw it out. I have no power to stop him, this is the only thing I can control.

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Vodkacranberryplease · 10/07/2020 22:15

Wow. No you are not controlling - you are traumatised. And he is a manipulative cunt who knows how much this upsets you so is abusing you through her. His family are just as bad but then they raised him so they would be.

I'm not sure what your counselling is but maybe look at other types. Jesus. Sometimes you just want to do something really extreme like spike his drink with a tab of acid and record his spin out of control. I honestly don't know how you are going to keep it together - is there any way you can move away?

This is appalling, abusive and you are not controlling. You are an abused woman desperately trying to feel safe by controlling the one thing you can, around your DD who means the world to you. He knows that and is using it to twist the knife.

Yet again you are going to have to leave. But check with a solicitor first.

Iamtheproblem · 10/07/2020 22:28

@Vodkacranberryplease

Wow. No you are not controlling - you are traumatised. And he is a manipulative cunt who knows how much this upsets you so is abusing you through her. His family are just as bad but then they raised him so they would be.

I'm not sure what your counselling is but maybe look at other types. Jesus. Sometimes you just want to do something really extreme like spike his drink with a tab of acid and record his spin out of control. I honestly don't know how you are going to keep it together - is there any way you can move away?

This is appalling, abusive and you are not controlling. You are an abused woman desperately trying to feel safe by controlling the one thing you can, around your DD who means the world to you. He knows that and is using it to twist the knife.

Yet again you are going to have to leave. But check with a solicitor first.

I am so worried that if I move away and ExH takes me to court he'd end up with full residency, plus I've got my support network here even with trust issues I have slowly built up a little network I can trust. The thought of starting again scares me and it could be enough to send me over the edge with my MH. The whole things sucks.
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Cheesesconegone · 10/07/2020 22:47

No. He’s trying to control the situation by unnerving you.

I had to deal with this and I just got brilliant at not reacting when he played games. It works, though even now, DS father pulls a blackmail shocker like threatening to pull maintenance if DS doesn’t choose that A Level or that 6th form etc.

Ignore his family, they raised an abuser and are probably similar to him. How you respond to his antagonism is everything. You have the law on your side and protection from the arrangements in place. Ignore the games and feel safe. You are not controlling, you’re understandably anxious because you have to deal with a horrible person. But if you can learn to anticipate he’ll behave like this to scare you - but learn to not be triggered by his moves, you will remove the fear he takes you to. In reality, he can’t do much at all and has to stick to the pattern arranged or he’ll end up with supervised visits.

I know it’s probably not a lot of help, and having being there myself it takes a huge leap of faith but you can do it. Be brave. You’ve got this Flowers

Alwaysinpain · 10/07/2020 22:58

You need to get your own emergency hearing OP by the sounds of it

redastherose · 10/07/2020 23:01

I would guess that he has done this simply because it upsets you.
Until you can get to court you need to try to ignore his behaviour. Don't text, don't beg him for his address etc as this is feeding into his control and enjoyment of the situation. Read up on grey rock, it is the most helpful thing when dealing with a controlling individual. If you don't give him the response he wants he won't get the satisfaction he craves and eventually it becomes less worth his while to carry on with that behaviour. If you can start doing things you enjoy when your Dd is with him (perhaps have friends over) and just show him you are having fun and enjoying yourself when you have free time I would imagine that he will suddenly be much less happy to keep her for more time.

Vodkacranberryplease · 11/07/2020 01:14

And never forget abusers always accuse you of the things they are doing. Every word that comes out of their mouths is a lie and every threat complete and utter crap.

Sorry you can't move away. Perhaps you should start telling him he's a lying prick and you will remove all fucking contact if he continues to abuse you. He can't do anything about it regardless of how nasty he is.

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