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Could this be some sort of odd lovebombing?

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lollylaughs · 10/07/2020 08:28

I wasn't sure whether to post this in Relationships, as I am not in one, but think it is the best place to get some opinions on this.

Brief backstory: I got divorced from 19 year marriage. 3 years after separating and not that long after divorce official, I started a relationship with a friend, whom I met up with again quite by chance. We were in a relationship just over a year. I broke it off as there were too many red flags and I felt completely smothered by him. I would describe him as a lovebomber in the relationship. Bought me expensive gifts for no reason, only went to the best places, basically he loved to flaunt money. I asked him to stop buying me stuff as I am probably the least materialistic person around, but he would insist we only shop at the best supermarket etc etc. He says he has good taste is his reasoning for this.

As we have been friends for a number of years, we have kept in touch, but only as in a general messaging a few times a week, will send a meme etc. He has made it obvious that should I change my mind then he would be happy to start the relationship up again, but I won't (I was in and EA marriage so these red flags became like flashing beacons towards the end)

So, my daughter had a milestone birthday recently. She has also been quite ill this year and has been hospitalized on numerous occasion, so things have been tough. He asked if she needed anything sending for her birthday to which I said no, she isn't in need of anything and that I was just trying to make it as special as possible as it's during lockdown, so getting her friends to send video clips and to make it as personal as possible. He said he was going to send her something anyway, and wanted to because its a special birthday and she has been through a tough time. I said ok if you want to that's fine, but it is not expected and not necessary.

The birthday passed and his package was delayed due to Covid.(he lives a few hours away) I couldn't really afford a massively expensive present so I bought her a lovely gift, but it was a thoughtful more than expensive. She loved it, and her day was really nice.

The gift arrived a week afterwards (not his fault as was sent a few days in advance of birthday) and when she opened it, I nearly fell flat on my back. It is a very expensive piece of jewellery. As in so expensive that I will need to insure it.

When he bought it he kept suggesting he send me pictures of it, asking did I want to see it in advance etc etc. Really pushy in fact, to which I just said no I don't want to know what it is and that I will see when dd opens it.

So when we realized the value of the gift (which is way more than all the gifts she received from me and her dad), she said she didn't feel she could accept it. Then she changed her mind and said that in fact she does want to keep it, as if things get difficult ever, it is something that she can sell. We only know the value of it as she Googled where it was from and found the item online.

I just messaged him to say thank you and she sent a voice note to say thank you as well, and I have now said no more to him since then.

What would you make of this? I think its completely inappropriate for various reasons.
We are no longer dating.

He knows I could never afford to buy my dd something like this, so I am wondering if he is trying to 'outgift' me if that word makes sense.
Is this a ploy to try to get me back?
Or is this some sort of message to say 'look what life you could have had"

I spoke to a relative about it, they just said Oh that is lovely, he is such a nice chap.

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cosycatsocks · 10/07/2020 14:05

No atilla sending the jewellery back is about setting boundaries. Then grey rock.
Op your daughter is a child, it is up to you to decide. Secondhand jewellery is generally worth very little.

cosycatsocks · 10/07/2020 14:08

Having seen your updates please block him everywhere and contact the police if he gets in touch. Start collating evidence of harassment in case you need to get an injunction.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2020 14:28

Sending the unwanted gift/trojan horse back is contact in its own way and a response which is also what such manipulative people want; that to them is the reward. OP made herself clear, and if he chose to ignore that so be it; she can still maintain no contact.

cosycatsocks · 10/07/2020 20:45

Whatever Attila, I disagree.

Lollylaughs · 11/07/2020 07:03

I am not sure if there is a 'right or wrong' way to deal with this, as I don't really know what the underlying message is for him doing it.

If I send it back, he gets my attention.
If I don't send it back, he thinks he's got my attention by me pondering about it. But he isn't sure as I have not reacted.

Since I haven't reacted, he's sent through various forms of hooks. He sent a few links of random things. I haven't responded, or even opened them. Now I see he's tagged me in something on Facebook.

As I mentioned in a previous post, we have been friends for a long time. We have a lot of mutual friends. I left a WA group we were all on, and I returned to it again some time later as he left it. Now I think that he is in contact with one of the others asking if I am posting there as he has linked to something similar to what we were discussing on the group. So yes it could be random but I'm doubting it. So I have left that group again. But it shows the lengths he will go to.

I will block him, but I will only do this after a certain date. I know once I do it, it will rile him up. I know he is going to be near my home on a particular date soon for a work thing and I don't want him turning up here out of the blue. (we had a ldr, he lives quite far away from me) After that date he will be in another country so I'm going to wait until then.

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FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 11/07/2020 08:01

Does he have any way of contacting your daughter? I'd get her to proactively block his number and social media now before he can, as now he might think there's a connection between them he can use to play on her emotions.

Lollylaughs · 11/07/2020 09:36

Flavia, no he doesn't. Whilst we were together he did ask for her number but I never gave it to him. I never thought that there would ever be a reason why he would need it. When the last blocking happened I made her unfriend him from any social media, he didn't take too kindly to his either. I see he's made a comment on a post my sil made yesterday. He met her once, and I know the comment was for my benefit Hmm. He's a piece of work really. True colours really showing now.

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cosycatsocks · 11/07/2020 12:10

Sounds like a good plan op.

whiteblue · 11/07/2020 12:16

Are we talking a value of £100's or £1000's here?
If he's wealthy a few hundred may not mean much to him?

Lollylaughs · 11/07/2020 12:34

About £1.5K White

He has a well paying job but is not excessively wealthy. But that isn't secure anymore with everything going on, so it does make even less sense to spend that amount.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 11/07/2020 12:46

Sending the unwanted gift/trojan horse back is contact in its own way and a response which is also what such manipulative people want; that to them is the reward

I agree with this. Quietly popping it in a drawer to sell at some point in future is the least drama, and therefore doesn’t play into the manipulators hands.

Anything at all that shows a reaction - especially one that he can claim is unreasonable - is what he’s looking for. So OP returns the gift and says “it’s too much, we can’t possibly accept” and she’s opened up a dialogue where the gift giver can now paint himself as a victim - he’s tried to do something kind, he’s generous and thoughtful, and OP is a villain here, not allowing her poor DD to have a beautiful gift, given with love etc

It’s not worth the aggro. Grey rock, ignore, no drama. You’ve sent a thank you. That’s it done.

JoinTheMicrodots · 11/07/2020 12:58

I’m missing something, clearly, because I don’t really see what the huge red flags were in your relationship, other than him being excessively generous to you? He’s been a friend of yours for years and clearly holds a candle for you, so whilst I can see that it could be cloying and uncomfortable to have someone want to lavish you with stuff when you’re not that into them, I don’t see where that makes them a dangerous predator?

Lollylaughs · 11/07/2020 13:06

I have not brought up the red flags on this post Join, but there were many.

The 'lovebombing' was just one part of it.

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MarioPuzo · 11/07/2020 16:47

Wow, he sounds quite frightening: the excessive gifts, spying on you through friends and being angry that your teenaged daughter unfriended him on Facebook. Shock When is he moving to another country? I hope very soon, then you can block him 100% from everything.

I agree that quietly fading out is the best way to handle him until he's safely abroad. Also invest in a Ring doorbell if you don't have one already so he won't be able to surprise you at home.

Bunnymumy · 11/07/2020 16:54

I would not agree that it is your daughters choice to keep the item (unless she is 18 or over). She is under your roof and supposed to be your protection and this man could be anyone. Dude could be a paedo or anything.

That being said I dont see much point in sending it back now that she has sent him a voice recording to say thanks (another bad move). Just delete and block him on everything. Make sure your daughter is on board with that.

SuzieCarmichael · 11/07/2020 16:56

If it is new, your daughter needs to be aware that the resale value will be significantly less than the face value. She’d be lucky to get half the price it was bought for. Perhaps that would change her view on whether it is worth keeping?

user1486723488 · 12/07/2020 05:07

I'd take it to a jeweller and sell it. Then put the cash into your daughter's saving account with all her other savings and she can spend the money sometime in the future on something she wants or needs when it's source is entirely forgotten.

Zaphodsotherhead · 12/07/2020 08:44

He says he has good taste

Could you send a message that just says 'thank you for the gift. DD says it's beautiful, but not really her taste - too flashy'.

Or would that be too bitchy?

Lollylaughs · 12/07/2020 13:35

I have known to come out with a bitchy phrase every now and then 😊, but pretty sure this isn't the right occasion.

Although you aren't far off, it's yellow gold and she wears silver.

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