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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 08:53

DH and I are getting divorced and I feel really confused about it.
We got married 12 years ago and the first few years were good. We had 2 boys and he was incredible through the baby stages. However, when our youngest was about 1, he got a new job that consumed him. From his perspective he worked hard to support us as a family.

So for the next 2-3 years after the job change I barely saw him. In the week he got home at 11pm and I was already in bed or asleep. At the weekend he either had to do work at home or was so exhausted from the working week that he needed a lot of sleep and rest. He was irritable with the children.

So about 18 months ago I eventually told him how unhappy I was. I felt that we had no connection anymore and we awaited counselling. He’s a very dominant person and I would never win a debate or argument with him so I wanted to wait until counselling to discuss everything. However it took 6 weeks for the first appointment and he was heartbroken during this time. The counselling didn’t help. I said how I felt we didn’t have any closeness and the counsellor seemed to take his side and we eventually stopped going.

DH tried to do things and he actually changed jobs (the new one is possibly better but difficult to tell as he’s now working from home).

I do 99.9% of looking after the boys, house, etc. I also work full time but do condensed hours over 3 days a week in a very stressful job. He says that I work part time (I used to) because I work on 3 days so I should continue to do 99.9% of the chores. He does his own washing but I do everything else.

A few months ago I broke down and sobbed and asked for his help. He said he would and wanted to know what I do so we agreed I would send him a list. I sent the list and sadly he said he didn’t feel like he could do anything to help. This was while one parent was dying and the other was seriously ill.

So then we had some complicated family situations which are too outing to mention and eventually my dying parent died.

He wasn’t able to offer me any emotional support. He has no relationship with his parents.

During the last 3-6 months he has barely looked at me or spoken to me.
So we very amicably agreed to divorce. He has found a new place and moves there in a few months.

This week has been really tough as it’s the end of nursery for my youngest, I’m exhausted, my job is physically and emotionally draining, I miss my recently deceased parent, I’m very stressed about finances. But most of all I feel really sad and anxious about the divorce.

From DH’s perspective he feels like he has tried but that I haven’t. He needs sexual intimacy to feel emotional closeness and I need the reverse. So we got stuck in a cycle of not giving each other what we needed.

I’m sad for our boys (5, 7). Sad for myself. I feel like there has been so much loss recently.

I’m interested in an outside perspective. I’m blaming myself a lot. I should add that I have supportive friends and a therapist who I see regularly.

I’m concerned this is a massive mistake.

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Busybee2912 · 04/07/2020 12:53

This is a normal part of splitting OP. I left an abusive relationship after 12 years. Ex moved on quickly which hurt me and made me remember the good parts of the relationship. He started being really great with the kids and offering me support, we became friends and got along well. I was so confused, I even asked him to give us another go because I thought he had finally become everything I needed him to be.
He turned me down and stayed with the new girlfriend. I was upset but I knew deep down that it was for the best.
I’m now with an amazing man who loves and supports me in every way. Nothing would ever be too much, he puts me first and is kind and gentle. Doesn’t have an abusive bone in his body and I’ve never felt more content, happy and stable.
It can happen for you too.
See it as part of the process, it’s a loss, you are probably grieving your relationship as well as your parent and it can bring up all sorts of conflicting emotions. It helps to remember the bad stuff too, puts an end to the fantasising about what could be.
Stick it out, it will pass and give yourself a chance at happiness and a new future Flowers

TorkTorkBam · 04/07/2020 13:18

I have some personal experience, well my sister's personal experience of when fair is fair with a fair minded man.

She and her DH were getting divorced. He had cheated. Both had been unhappy for a while because he was useless with the children and always left her, a woman with a professional full time job, to do everything, think of everything. They decided to do it without solicitors as they felt that would eat up money and set a bad tone for the future. Sound familiar?

Everyone knew that he would not be doing 50:50 childcare. There would be no week on-week off arrangement with him buying the summer wardrobe, taking them to the dentist, etc. No it would be every other weekend and one night in the week (which was challenging at that for him). She would still do almost all the lifeshit related to having children. They both knew that's how it would be.

During the divorce his divorced friends advised him to push her for 50:50 and above CMS future maintenance. Their logic was that with 50:50 he could set up on his own in a 2 bed flat outside good school catchment, then he would have low outgoings. So far so good, yes?

Then they said, look mate you won't want to be tied into a high paying stressful job forever. That's half the reason your marriage went tits up. You need the freedom to wind back, downsize, de-stress. Maybe find an easy going girlfriend maybe not. Maybe have some more time for your music and sports. You need that money up front to set yourself up to downshift. You won't need to earn so much. In a year or so you can cut back on work and then she has no choice but to accept lower monthly money because you are not earning like you were. Don't worry about that because by then she will have loads more money anyway but those gold digging women will still try to grab your money if you let them. You know she will get big promotions at work, women don't do it when married because they expect to leech off us men. She will have to step up. She will probably set up with some rich bloke before long too.

Now, fortunately for my sister this scenario resonated with him but not in the ways his mates meant.

He took the view that his intention now was to provide for his children properly. The amount of money is the same whether spread as a small lump sum and larger regular payments or as a large lump sum and smaller regular payments. He felt he would rather give her a large split (over 70:30 I think) then he would not feel pressured to keep up high income work.

Now, if your DH actually intends to give the children's lives the money he says he will, why is it fairer to do it by a smaller up front sum? Surely it is all the same? Surely it is better for everyone to keep it nice and easy. Large share for you and the children now and you are solely responsible for spending it wisely over the years. He is released from the pressure of high earning. You are released from the risk if he loses his job etc. Win-win surely? Except if he's not expecting the two ways to add up to anywhere near the same amount (or wants to keep the option open to make the future payments lesser).

Can you see what I mean?

Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:21

The pattern throughout has been him not giving support, he backs away from anything requiring support at lightning speed.
He used to be supportive but only really in the last 2-3 years since the new job started, he’s been unable to support me at all emotionally.

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TorkTorkBam · 04/07/2020 13:23

I'd assume there is a special person at work who will suddenly appear 2-3 months after he moves out.

TheStuffedPenguin · 04/07/2020 13:24

I hope you are getting 50% of his pension or at least setting these assets alongside each other . TBH I think you are mad to do it without a lawyer's advice . Many men think if they contribute financially to a marriage that is it .

Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:24

I was you, except I stayed because of the kids/scared about not meeting someone else/worried about money. Years later he left me, except I was older so even more worried.
I felt like this for a long time. Scared to make the leap. Scared to hurt the kids. Scared about how I would cope financially.
I’m 42 and am told that I still look attractive (!) but I didn’t want to be in the same situation 5, 10, 15 years down the line with more wrinkles, etc!

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:26

You & the kids deserve better than 1%.
I completely agree but I think I haven’t given enough on the romantic, supportive side. I think that’s all he wants and then he would step up more.

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:28

I’m not interested in more than 50% of anything so no need for lawyers.

We have the same size pension pots so no need to get these involved.

I’m not interested in getting more money from him.

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:30

I'd assume there is a special person at work who will suddenly appear 2-3 months after he moves out.
I don’t think so. He’s emotionally distant all round. He has no time for an affair. I asked him and trust/believe him.

I just want us all to be happy. I want him to be happy too.

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:31

I love my life and my kids are happier than they would ever have been with the overworked and knackered mama that I was in my marriage.
It sounds like you have done a great job creating a happy life for you and your children!

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:33

See it as part of the process, it’s a loss, you are probably grieving your relationship as well as your parent and it can bring up all sorts of conflicting emotions.
I felt totally fine until he started being nice and I remembered who he used to be. I hadn’t seen that person for so long.

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wantmorenow · 04/07/2020 13:33

Please get financial advice. 50:50 is unlikely to benefit you and the kids if you are having them 90% of the time. His promise of maintenance in future is completely without any substance. You are taking an IOU for the next 10+ years that has no backing legally or morally.
Even if he intends to keep his word, health, the economy, future obligations may change this. Will he be so amenable if you remarry, he has a pregnant girlfriend in a year's time?

Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:36

He felt he would rather give her a large split (over 70:30 I think) then he would not feel pressured to keep up high income work.
I’m very happy with 50:50 and don’t want more.

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:38

I didn’t come on here to get advice about a financial settlement. I came on because I’m sad and upset about divorcing my husband who is now being nice!

I know you have my best interests at heart but I have zero interest in pursuing more than 50% of anything. I wouldn’t want him to do that to me. I won’t be doing that to him.

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Busybee2912 · 04/07/2020 13:38

I felt totally fine until he started being nice and I remembered who he used to be. I hadn’t seen that person for so long.

That’s what happened to me too. It’s normal. You might even feel like that for a while yet, up and down with it. I also did the thing you said you were afraid of, dating someone else and comparing them. Over time it faded and I look back on it all now and just feel grateful to have not gone back.

TorkTorkBam · 04/07/2020 13:38

You want more monthly instead.

That's not wanting less.

It is just you wanting a different distribution of the same amount, which is fine of course if you can afford to take that risk.

Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:40

You want more monthly instead.

I asked him for the minimum suggested on the gov website. He said he wanted to pay more, which I have accepted. I would have accepted the minimum amount if he hadn’t offered more.

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Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 13:41

Over time it faded and I look back on it all now and just feel grateful to have not gone back.
Thanks Busybee.

It’s hard because there has been no nastiness, no arguments, no abuse. Just an absence of something.

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Busybee2912 · 04/07/2020 13:46

I get it. They become everything you wanted and it throws you, old feelings resurface and you question whether you’re doing the right thing.
No one tells you that can happen in break ups. It’s supposed to be, decision made and move on. The reality is different when you have a history, were once happy and in love.
No one can tell you not to go back. It’s your life and your choice. Just try to remember all the reasons it didn’t work out too, are they fixable or has too much changed.
If it’s just you feeling sad now the anger has dissipated, then it’s a completely normal stage of loss. One you’ll have to ride out, with time it becomes much easier.

Dolores42 · 04/07/2020 16:02

Thanks Busybee.

I think it would probably play out like this if we got back together...

Everything would be amazing for a couple of years but then slowly things would creep back to how they were. We’d both be busy with work and eventually after a few more years we’d be back here. With no intimacy and no emotional support.

Maybe at that time one of us would end up having an affair to fill the emotional (me) / sexual (him) void.

Then it would be a messier break up, with more hurt, more resentment. The kids would be older and possibly more impacted. I would be older and more wrinkly!

We broke up twice before getting engaged and nearly split up after marriage but before children. DH thinks we would just end up splitting again, in however many years, and maybe that time it might be mid 11+, mid GCSEs, mid A levels or degree.

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TheStuffedPenguin · 05/07/2020 15:24

@Dolores42

I didn’t come on here to get advice about a financial settlement. I came on because I’m sad and upset about divorcing my husband who is now being nice!

I know you have my best interests at heart but I have zero interest in pursuing more than 50% of anything. I wouldn’t want him to do that to me. I won’t be doing that to him.

It's not a question of "doing it" to anyone - it is what is fair in the law but it's your picnic.
Dolores42 · 05/07/2020 20:56

I think 50:50 is fair.

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