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What is emotional abuse ...

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PandaLife · 28/06/2020 20:00

Hi everyone, I don’t really know how to word this or ask it.. or even make much sense of it. One of those things that I’m unsure whether it’s happening or in my head. Or am I the one doing it??

So for a while now I’ve struggled with anxiety and depression, I had CBT about a year ago or so then began counselling sessions with someone else. Since speaking to my counsellor every week I have begun to notice a pattern in the things I speak about ... more so, who, I speak about.

A couple of years ago my DP (been together for approx 15 years and have a child), almost left me because I wasn’t having as much sex with him as he wanted. He’d get angry with me, sleep on the sofa, make a real point of being pissed with me but without actually telling me what the issue is. He’d literally go all day without speaking to me the following day too ... then that evening try again. Oh course, I’m walking on eggshells at this point so why would I want to have sex with him?! So it’d just be this continuous cycle until I gave in, then he’d be all happy about it. It took a lot for him to actually tell me what the issue was but then would say things like ‘I can’t help feeling this way, it’s frustrating. The feeling won’t go away’. Anyway, we had a big row over this and I shared how it made me feel ect. Since then, it hasn’t happened (as seriously as before), it does still happen but not as ‘big’ as it was. I still feel as though I’m walking on egg shells and have a horrible feeling every time he tells me he’ll come to bed at the same time as me - from past experiences, he mostly does that when he wants something. He tries it most mornings too. Again, gets a bit huffy when he doesn’t get what he wants. Throughout the day he’ll sometimes be off with me and snappy with our daughter. I then have the added guilt of my not-doing-it with him, causing upset for my daughter. I usually end up giving in just to make life easier for us all, rarely because I want it. Him kissing or touching me makes me cringe.

So that’s one thing. The next I’ll give an example of because I’m unsure how to describe it:
Me: I’m meeting my sister at XYZ this evening
Him: Go out to spend more money then?
Me: No, to get out the house for a bit (this was very recent since the shops re-opened).
Him: But you’ll buy something though. You’re buying too much at the minute.
Me: So you want me to cancel then?
Him: No, you can do whatever you want!

I can’t remember exactly word for word it went, but it went in a similar way to the above. At this point I felt guilty about going, I didn’t particularly want to buy anything, just wanted a catch up with my sister and to do something other than sit in front of the tv all night. But I considered cancelling .. one, to make him feel guilty for basically telling me not to spend money .. or go? I’m not sure. And two, I was questioning myself as to whether I have been buying too much and maybe not realising? In the end I went anyway, but didn’t buy anything other than a snack on the way out. When I walked in, he didn’t ask me if I enjoyed being out or how my sister was ect. He asked what I bought. When I said nothing he accused me of lying - but in a sarcastic way of course. Everything is sarcastic and when he says something nasty, he’ll go ‘I’m only joking’ or ‘god, you can’t take a joke’. I’m forever doubting myself and worrying that I’m doing the wrong thing.

Whenever I talk about what I want to do (we work together currently but I don’t enjoy the line of work, even though it pays really well. I want to go in to something which pays nothing in comparison but I genuinely love), he gives me every reason not to do it and why it won’t work and will list out the things I won’t be able to buy or not be able to go on holiday ect ... One minute he’ll be semi-supportive of my ideas, but changes his mind quickly.

I ran my own business for a while but got massively stressed with it and at the time he told me ‘I earn enough, give it up’. With our newest venture, almost everything is in his name (property) because I can’t get finance. So all money goes to him. Everything is named to him. I am financially reliant on him. I literally have nothing in my name apart from one property which is joint with someone else. Yet, I’m the one working 90% of the time to gain these properties but feel as though I have nothing to gain from it. For tax reasons, we pay me very little from the company. About £700 per month. It goes fairly quickly and I often have to ask for money to be put in my account. Which is the worst thing ever. I feel like a child for doing it! He can also be horrible to our daughter, shouts at her all the time and tells her she can’t do things that I believe a child should have the freedom to do (such as playing in a shallow lake like all the other children are doing, but he told her she wasn’t allowed. If I put my foot down and told her she could, he’d get angry at me for ‘putting him down’ or allowing him to lack authority over her’. He’s often said ‘fine, I won’t tell her what she can and can’t do. You do it all!’.

These things, along with a few other bits, have been bugging me for so long but I’ve never put it all together and looked at the whole picture. I want out but 1. I’m scared of losing everything and having nothing. I need to live around here so my daughter can continue at her school! 2. What if I become homeless .. and my daughter?! Will I be able to leave with her or will he try and keep her at home? I doubt he would because he takes as little responsibility as he can most of the time. What if his mum stops contact with me and my daughter, she adores her grandmother. This is all adding to my depression and anxiety, my meds are being increased still, but I feel as though I’m still heading south.

Am I in a toxic relationship?? Please tell me it isn’t normal behaviour! And what do I do from here??

OP posts:
Nellydean21 · 28/06/2020 20:03

No it's not normal behaviour. It's not right to live on eggshells. You have been fantastic in helping yourself, and now you can see the abuse. It's a huge step .

Shoxfordian · 28/06/2020 20:06

Yes you're in a toxic relationship with an abusive man. The sex thing is enough to end it with him, he sounds like he tries to coerce you into it. Can you leave him?

Perfectstorm12 · 28/06/2020 20:16

From what you have written it sounds enough for me to feel the tight, horrific feeling of walking on eggshells that you have described above and that is enough for me to know that you are in an emotionally abusive relationship. You can't be yourself with him, he is controlling you, and that feeling of not wanting to have sex but feeling like you have to to help his mood is enough to make me want to vomit reading it. I don't know what you need to do, because only you know, but I would be very careful about aligning your own mental health based on behaviour you have to do currently to 'please' someone else. Your motivation for change has to be for yourself and for the little girl who is learning from you about what adult relationships 'should' look like. I wish you the very best of luck to gain freedom. Take care.

1235kbm · 28/06/2020 20:20

OP the sex issue is abusive. Him sulking because you won't have sex and refusing to communicate with you is leading to coerced sex. I think it would be a really good idea to speak to a domestic abuse organisation and discuss this with them as I don't think you're giving the full extent of what's going on and they will ask you questions that may present a bigger picture.

Domestic abuse is so poorly understood and women are so conditioned to keep the family together, work on the relationship and 'be nice' that it can be very difficult to see that it simply cannot be fixed. You cannot fix an abusive relationship, you have to leave.

He shouldn't be shouting at your daughter that's dreadful parenting. I'm wondering if he undermined you regarding the business which is why you felt overwhelmed. He may have seen your business as a threat and you are now financially reliant on him.

I can see that you are ruminating on the 'what ifs' and they are all obstacles you can deal with when it comes to it.

You need to start gathering information and advice. Once you have a plan, things will become a lot easier.

PandaLife · 28/06/2020 20:33

Thank you everyone. It makes me feel so sad because he ‘rescued’ me from an abusive family at the early age of 16. My stepdad was very controlling and mentally abusive with me, my siblings and more so my mum. I see that as abuse and it’s very different to what I’m going through. So maybe that’s why I’ve never really noticed it?

I really don’t think I can go yet. I have a franchise agreement for £1300 per month for the next four years and my car is £500 per month. I’d seriously need to look in to those contracts to see what I can and can’t do. I have two dogs too, so I need to think about them. Maybe try and put money away. I don’t know. It’s very overwhelming.

Part of me feels relieved to now understand and see what’s happening .. but equally sick to the stomach at the thought of what I need to do to get away and the hurt I might cause to my daughter for doing it. I know she’ll be fine, but it’s still another guilt straw isn’t it?

I have my counsellor tomorrow, so I’m going to have a good chat with her. Ugh. I can’t even face going in the house right now :(

OP posts:
1235kbm · 28/06/2020 20:46

It's so, so common for adults from abusive homes to get into abusive partnerships.

Places to contact for help and advice:

Your local domestic abuse organisation which you can find here.

You can get money advice here
Debt advice here

Gingerbread for child related issues such as child contact, maintenance etc

CABx guide to ending a relationship here.

YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 28/06/2020 20:47

It makes me feel so sad because he ‘rescued’ me from an abusive family at the early age of 16

Oh dear, that’s classic abuser too, im afraid.

ThePathToHealing · 28/06/2020 20:58

OP, I read the first ten or fifteen lines and could already see the emotional and sexual abuse (sexual coercion is abuse).

Talk to your counsellor, they will be able to help you and contact local domestic abuse charities. They may be able to help with the practical things.

With history of abuse, we tend to focus on the one bit we don't want to repeat. So e.g I won't settle for a man who hits me but abuse is so much more than that and we can think things are ok because he doesn't do that one thing but everything else he does is just as bad.

category12 · 28/06/2020 21:03

Also financial abuse.

Summertime87 · 28/06/2020 21:13

Read this
"Why does he do that"

sa1s3.patientpop.com/assets/docs/85477.pdf

LilMissRe · 28/06/2020 22:39

I could have written your post OP!

This is definitely an emotionally abusive relationship, as well sexual and financially abusive.

I stayed too long in my relationship wit exH because I questioned my own sanity and reality and had nothing to compare the relationship to. All I knew was what verbal abuse and physical looked like because I'd seen it play out on tv. I could have spotted that a mile away but couldn't a finger on what my situation was- I used to jump out of my skin when I saw his car approaching the drive, or the keys turning in the lock- I used to run to the kitchen and pretend I'm doing some domestic duty- instead of having a cuppa or seemingly relaxing infant of the tv. I used to wish he'd hit me because at least the abuse would be obvious to me and everyone around me. He was repulsive in bed and had a very high sex drive and like you, he would make me feel so down about myself and then be surprised that I'm not spreading my legs for him. He said I had a duty to sleep with him and wondered if I was a lesbian for not wanting to.

Yours is not healthy!

Please look after yourself and if you can, I urge you to leave this toxicity- you deserve better! This will not get better with him.

LilMissRe · 28/06/2020 22:40

blimey those typos!

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