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BatisteHairForOneMoreDay · 24/06/2020 09:40

Background - Been engaged to DP for 3 years, together for 5, we have a mortgage and he has 1 DD from a previous relationship.

2 years ago, I caught him on Fab Swingers (I logged into his laptop which was connected to his iPhone, all history etc was synced) messaging disgusting things and viewing photos but no proof he had actually met anyone. In fact, it was him making excuses not to meet and there were no verifications. We split for a few weeks but got back together. We've been happy so far, despite his mistakes and he's never ever made a fuck up (that is aware of) since.

However... the dreaded feeling is back and he is being sneaky with his phone (popped in his daughters room for 2 minutes and came back to get his phone off the side) and every time I'm in the kitchen, I walk back into the living room his face is in phone and is reading the "news".

He's a very sneaky/clever person by nature and he's changed his settings on his laptop so his phone no longer syncs but he can say "babe, don't worry, check my laptop whenever you want to!" Well you've changed all the settings.

I know he's not meeting people, his car mileage is the same and his iPhone tracking is always where he says he is but he's clever, he knows how to hide stuff and I think it's all online.

How do I catch him out? I know the obvious answer is to leave but I'm not sure whether my anxiety is playing a part and making me overthink which in turn makes me paranoid but I'm not stupid. I know the clues by now.

OP posts:
Lozzerbmc · 24/06/2020 11:29

He’ll do it time and again - you know it, you have to trust your instincts - if you are happy to live with it then carry on!
Just dont be like my friend, who let hook up site and tinder (both discovered by accident) go, snooped and found another, despite reassurances it would not happen again. It means the happy wonderful relationship is not true doesnt it...

BettyS89 · 24/06/2020 11:46

Make an account on the fab swingers and try to find him out on there! From the other thread that was in a similar situation she was able to tell it was her DP from the picture and bio!

kellihay · 24/06/2020 11:53

There are literally so many messaging sites. Some are very anonymous. The only way to really know is to get into his battery / screen time - you can't delete that.

Hailtomyteeth · 24/06/2020 11:55

A while ago, we heard about AdultWork every day. Now this. It makes me wonder how many posts are really just promotions.

BatisteHairForOneMoreDay · 24/06/2020 11:58

A paid promotion for FabSwingers? Don't be so stupid. I can send you the screen shots I took of the disgusting website if you wish... weird comment. Confused

I've made an account on Fab & searched for him but he won't be on there to openly look at. I know his username and have searched that but he wouldn't be so daft to use the same name/pic twice.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 24/06/2020 12:05

Does he actually have to have sex in front of you for you to accept what he's like? What would it take?

lazylinguist · 24/06/2020 12:09

It's all very well to say you're happy and will only leave if you find proof, but even if you find no proof this time, what about the next time he's acting shifty? And the time after that etc etc? You don't trust him. Failing to find proof this one time isn't going to fix that permanently.

KentuckyBlueberry · 24/06/2020 12:19

@Carlottacoffee

What is it with Fabswingers? I’ve never heard of the site and there has been two threads in two days?

@Hailtomyteeth

A while ago, we heard about AdultWork every day. Now this. It makes me wonder how many posts are really just promotions.

I saw the other thread too the other day, and when I saw this one, out of curiosity I did a quick google – then wondered the exact same thing. Hang on a minute, I'd never heard of this thing before, now I'm suddenly googling it Grin

Not suggesting your post is made up OP! But did strike me it'd be a way to promote and get click-throughs onto a site.

SortingItOut · 24/06/2020 12:39

@BatisteHairForOneMoreDay
I am on Fab and unfortunately there are a lot of non-single men.

If you find him on there but he has no verifications what are you going to do?

Is the fact he has intent not enough for you to end things?
When you search is username whst does it say?

What made you be able to take him back last time?

Fab is very addictive which is why men go back to it time and time again (or never actually leave)

I put up with shit like this for 17 years and it destroyed me completely, I've been free for 2 years and life is great.

ravenmum · 24/06/2020 12:49

If it's a swinging website, surely the vast majority are not single?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/06/2020 13:03

I can hand on my heart say I would no longer entertain this relationship if I found something

I mean this gently, OP, but you're kidding yourself and I suspect you know it
There's nothing to be ashamed of if you feel you're not yet ready to leave him, but if this is the case, "finding something" will just result in you rationalising it while the trauma goes on piling up

You already know this man isn't to be trusted and your instincts are obviously good - all you need is to step back and make the choice, but the timing of that is something only you can decide

SortingItOut · 24/06/2020 13:06

@ravenmum
It is a swingers site but it's also a casual sex site.
Couples who swing have a couples profile so its very clear, sometimes they meet alone so they might have their own profiles too but mention they're a couple.

What a lot of men do is have a single profile and dont mention they are not actually single.

nolovelost · 24/06/2020 13:36

I think if I was in your position I'd want to find out, but on the outside looking in, you may as well end it. He's done it before and you don't trust him. You'll always be looking over your shoulder.

JayeAshe · 24/06/2020 13:57

OP you can't prove a negative, as stated above. Stop trying. Use the headspace for something/someone worthwhile.
Flowers

backseatcookers · 24/06/2020 15:23

I can hand on my heart say I would no longer entertain this relationship if I found something

OP you found something before and now you know that although you wanted to try and work through it, you are unable to.

You are not happy in this relationship. You don't trust him. You believe he is capable of betraying you again. You want to check up on him because you know he is capable of such dickish behaviour.

You do not need permission to leave him.

You don't have to find something 'bad enough' to warrant leaving him now.

You tried. It hasn't worked. You aren't happy.

Why do you think this is what you deserve? You deserve more.

You are allowed to change your mind about staying with him. And I hope you do.

BatisteHairForOneMoreDay · 24/06/2020 15:41

Thank you guys 💗

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Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 24/06/2020 16:11

If you have to play Hetty wainthrop isnt it time to call it a day?
Really either you thrive on the drama or the trust he broke just cant be regained.
I was like you, became so good as P.I I could have worked for NASA at one point. Did some stuff I regret like hacking my exh accounts etc, actually illegal.
Found my evidence, but he gaslighted me to the point having found real evidence and him lying, caused me severe mental health problems and a total breakdown.
What would I do now with the benefit of hindsight and experience?
Run run run and dont look back. Would have saved nearly five years of total mental health illness physical illness loss of career and respect of my family.
I happily remarried now. My ex? Still a total punter, abuser hook up merchant according to a friend. Whatever I cant actually think of him without feeling physically ill and at one point thought he was amazing. He is not. He got better at hiding it to me but believe me when I say these 'men' do not or dont want to change.
Its okay to not stay with him.

oreoxoreo · 24/06/2020 17:10

Omg @Mintypylon...
Need to print this out and frame it.
I am with a tosser who has been on Fabswingers.

BatisteHairForOneMoreDay · 24/06/2020 19:04

@oreoxoreo it's soul destroying. How long ago did you find out?

OP posts:
BumbleBeee69 · 24/06/2020 20:47

What is it with Fabswingers? I’ve never heard of the site and there has been two threads in two days?

me too Confused

Nicolastuffedone · 24/06/2020 21:18

And this is the HAPPIEST relationship you’ve been in you say??

backseatcookers · 24/06/2020 21:21

@Mintypylonsfryingsurplus

PREACH 🙌🏻

TableDesk · 24/06/2020 21:31

That's me with the other FabSwingers post.

Unfortunately I'm 100 not in the market to advertise it.

It's a soul destroying place.

I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush, however morals seem exceptionally low on it Hmm

Have a read of my thread to either put an end to your suspicions now or be wondering in a years like is your partner rimming 99yr old non smokers (read the thread, you'll understand)

Much unMnHugs from a similar Hetty Wainthrop Flowers

TableDesk · 24/06/2020 21:32

Low morals are for my ex partner and @oreoxoreo btw

TableDesk · 24/06/2020 21:32

Shit @oreoxoreo 's PARTNER Sad

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