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Lied to about my family heritage.

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user170620 · 18/06/2020 00:08

It's a long and confusing one sorry! Also name changed as it must be outting!?

Since growing up I was always told my maternal grandad immigrated from Spain and was Spanish. My dad, his family, my mums friends, her employer all were told the same. My grandad died when he was very young.

My mum cut contact with my auntie and grandma when I was a child, they were the only family she had. In 2011 I was 14 and saw my grandma for the first time when she was dying. We used to write letters to each other but I remember that my mum used to open them first and read anything I had written first. When my grandma died I helped my mum clear out her flat and I found an immigration pass, merchant navy documents and some photos of a south Asian man. I really wasn't sure who it was but I didn't tell my mum I found them as my mum has always been very secretive about her family and used to get annoyed if I asked anything. I asked my dad about it but he dismissed it and my brother did too so I left it.

Cut to now and I've started doing my family tree using ancestry. I was talking to my cousin about what my grandma and grandads names were as I couldn't find her and he told me to ring my auntie if I wanted to know anything as he wasn't sure. I did and my auntie told me the truth, my grandad was from Bangladesh he worked in the merchant navy and settled here in the late 40's/early 50's where he met my grandma who was already married with two children. My auntie only found out about the other siblings in the 90's she told my mum and she already knew, my dad doesn't know about the siblings but that secret doesn't upset me and feels more personal to my mum and auntie.

My auntie fell out with my mum because she wanted to see the documents and only photos of my grandad but my mum said she put all of it in my grandmas coffin. I'm not sure if she did as I might of seen them since but I can't be sure if that was before the burial.

My mum and grandma told my auntie never to talk about her dad in front of my dad before my mum and dad got married as my mum wasn't proud of her heritage. I think also my dads racism probably played a role in that, my auntie didn't agree or disagree when I said that! My auntie used to have to remind my cousins when they came over not to ever say anything. My auntie is really proud of her dad and her heritage but agreed not to say anything as it was my mums choice.

Luckily my grandad was a well respected man in my city and he is spoken about in some research papers I've found. He helped create the first mosque here, was involved in helping other Muslim immigrants integrate and find jobs. It is amazing to read about him! I feel so lucky that I can find out about him. His burial was a huge event and people came from all over the country, they collected for him and gave him a Muslim burial in spaces that he had helped purchase specifically for Muslims in the cemetery, the first ones in my city designated only for Muslims. He also had 4 brothers, my auntie knows of at least two uncles that also moved to the U.K. i am contacting people to find out more about them and if any of them are still alive. i am passing on everything that I'm finding to my auntie who is very happy to help me and receive any new info. She was only 4 when he died and wasn't encouraged to discuss him.

My grandads grave/headstone was racially vandalised and destroyed in a spree of racial attacks in the Muslim section of the cemetery. I actually remember it been on the local news at the time but had no idea it could of been related to me.

I can't describe why I feel so angry about the lies but I can't let it go I'm constantly thinking about it. My dad makes soo many comments about Pakistanis, Indians, refugees, immigrants, benefits all that stuff. I've always disagreed but still, my mum has been there and she's agreed with him too.

My auntie told me if I tell my mum about any of this then I should be prepared for her to cut contact with me, I think she probably would too. I'm also worried she might throw away the photos and documents if I tell her I know if she hasn't gotten rid of them already. I won't be carrying on the lie to my son but how do I stop him ever mentioning anything? She'd of lied to me for the rest of her life I'm sure of it. She will still lie unless I tell her I know and I don't want to hear another lie.

I will probably have to delete this and I'm not sure what I want from posting it. It feels good to write it all down though. I've always loved my mum but I feel very differently about her and my childhood now. I keep remembering every time she told me something that wasn't true and she took away my chance to understand my own heritage.

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Apileofballyhoo · 18/06/2020 00:17

You sound very well adjusted about such a huge family secret. I'm glad you have your auntie.

user170620 · 18/06/2020 00:27

@Apileofballyhoo I am glad I have her too but I know that would bother my mum even more than me finding out. She is so stubborn. I kind of knew when I saw the documents in my grandmas flat but I thought my grandma must of lied to my mum too. I didn't ever think it would be to stop my own dad from knowing. I didn't think my mum would get the whole family involved in lying to us.

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namechangethursday · 18/06/2020 00:30

@user170620 I'm so sorry that this is happening to you. I've just name changed for this post. I went through similar last year where I found out after 40 years that my father was not my birth father. My mother lied to me and briefly continued to lie to me after me finding out. The ancestry dna tests will bring out all kinds of skeletons so its best to brace yourself or don't go any further with research. It sounds like you gave your auntie to lean on which is good.

Try to get copies of any other documents before you confront your mother as she will likely destroy them.
I think it's really important for me to know who I am and my background no one has the right to deny you knowledge of your heritage. Do tread carefully. Good luck.

user170620 · 18/06/2020 00:40

@namechangethursday thank you for your post. I am so sorry that happened to you and that you're mum kept lying but I am glad you found out the truth. I hope you and your mum are in a new chapter where you can be open with each other.

I can't get the documents as my mum has them unless she did put them in the coffin. I'd love to see a photo and I know my auntie wants that more than anything else which is why I'm trying to find anybody that might have some. It's difficult to know what is right because my mum isn't proud of her heritage but that's also mine and I would of wanted to know. I don't know if my mums override mine and I don't want to force my mum into a corner about it. It's so hard to know which way to go. She is very stubborn, I've never seen her cry in fact my auntie said the only time my mum has cried to her was before the wedding when she was worried my auntie was going to say something. My mum had to give her fathers name in the registry office and she was worried my dad would find out.

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LouLouLoo · 18/06/2020 00:41

Sorry, I'm a bit confused! You say your Grandma was already married with 2 children, was your Mum one of these 2 and is your Aunt child 3 but with a different Dad? Have you therefore got another Aunt/Uncle that you've never known?

Ancestry has also thrown up a couple of surprises for me, although to totally unexpected. It's amazing how many people get unexpected results.

It sounds as though you're making great progress, good luck!

namechangethursday · 18/06/2020 00:45

Unfortunately my mother passed away shortly after finding out so she has taken all of the information with her.

If you grandad was a community figure I would go with continuing to research online and make contact with some of your matches you should be able to find a photo and some information about him.

user170620 · 18/06/2020 00:49

@LouLouLoo my grandma had two other children before 1950. She left them and met my grandad (not sure if there was an affair). She had my auntie and mum with my grandad in the late 50's. My auntie remembers my grandma taking her and mum to see two older children after grandad died but was never told who they were. One of those children has passed away but one is still around which is the name of one of those children my auntie met. My grandma told her years later she had a still born son under the same name but I wonder if she said this when the adult son died as a way of expressing grief but not saying the truth?

I've given my auntie the name but I'm not sure if she wants to try and make contact. But yeah my mum had two siblings. I also think there's a good chance my grandad had other children and possibly a wife in Bangladesh as he was 30 when he first came. It's not all roses! I've found out a lot and only started researching a week ago.

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Ikeatears · 18/06/2020 00:57

I'd recommend doing the ancestry DNA test. If you decide to and want some help piecing everything together, I've done quite a lot of DNA tree building. PM me and I'll give you my email. I'm happy to point you in the right direction once your results are in.
With regards to your son, dependant in his age, just tell the truth. His grandmother finds the subject uncomfortable and you don't want to upset anyone. I traced my birth father and haven't told my adopted father or my step mum. My children know though. I would never expect them to lie if asked but they know it's not a subject my parents would be happy to talk about so they don't bring it up around them. (Dc are 9, 14 and 18)
Good luck, it can be quite a journey! Smile

user170620 · 18/06/2020 00:59

@namechangethursday yes I'm emailing places. Unfortunately the first mosque isn't around but I'm sure they'll keep documents it's just figuring out where they went. Not many people reply but one man who I stumbled upon in a video with his dad talking about the early communities has been very helpful asking his grandad questions for me, his dad knew my grandad and great uncle and they are from the same village. The lengths I've had to go to is crazy when my mum lives a few streets away and knows everything. Such a shame I can't do this with her

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user170620 · 18/06/2020 01:04

@Ikeatears thank you so much! My brother did a dna test before I found all this out but it's with 23 and me. Would I have to rebuild the tree on there? I'm waiting for Kew archives to open so I can order a document that might be my grandads british citizenship. Do you know anything about how archives are listed? I've got a few questions on dates in the document (can't open the document as not digitised)

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LouLouLoo · 18/06/2020 01:04

You've made amazing progress in a week!

Quite a story and a shame your Mum can't/won't help you. It's very sad that she feels the way she does about her heritage. I hope you find all that you are looking for.

Ikeatears · 18/06/2020 01:11

@user170620 23 and me is good but it's quite 'American' You're likely to get more 'hits' on ancestry, although I'm not sure how many people from Bangladesh test. In some countries, France for example, commercial DNA testing is against the law so French ancestry isn't always as easy.
You can build trees on either site, although again, I'm not very familiar with the 23 and me format.
Have you got a subscription to ancestry? You may be able to find the citizenship record or an immigration record on there. I have a sub if you want me to do a search for you.

LouLouLoo · 18/06/2020 01:20

I have done both Ancestry and 23&Me. You can't upload data from one to the other. If you were going to do one I'd recommend Ancestry as they have the biggest database.

user170620 · 18/06/2020 01:22

I do have an ancestry subscription but thank you for the offer.

I've found a boat coming from Calcutta to U.K. with my grandads initial and surname, the address he gave is the exact address I've also found that matches his brothers name in an electoral record for the same time however the age for him on the boat is 'wrong' which is why I think he was older than he said he was, older than his headstone and death certificate say too. I know the only way to check his age would of been through his teeth so it wasn't very accurate but the age is off by 10 years. I'm fairly confident it is him but my auntie isn't sure. The surname is very popular for the village he is from but the brothers name been at the same address seems like too many coincidences? There has got to be some record of his immigration that says full name, age, I'm not sure where though? The immigration pass I found at my grandmas had his full name and fathers full name, that info has to be somewhere else too?

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user170620 · 18/06/2020 01:23

@LouLouLoo thank you Lou Lou, I'll probably do my own dna test on ancestry then. I can't go through the whole thing again, I'd lose the plot!

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Ikeatears · 18/06/2020 01:31

My Greta grandfather came over from Ireland and my grandma only found out on his death that her father was about 15 years older than he'd claimed to be!
Have you any idea what the document was? There are some great Facebook groups with some very knowledgeable people on them.

Unagi1 · 18/06/2020 01:36

I too am of bangladeshi heritage and over the years i have found things out about my family such as step siblings from both sides and lots of things that im not allowed to ask about. Initially i was quite angry, however ive come to realise that times were very different back then and its hard to relate it to current times.

Growing up I hated being brown however theses day I love being Bangladeshi, the history, the culture, the food ect it all makes me so proud. The sad thing is I don't look it and when I speak bengali people ask where ive learnt to speak it and are shocked when i reply its my mother tongue. It's a shame your mother is going to great lengths to hide so much, i hope she has the courage to come to terms with things.

I can empathise with wanting answers and I hope you find them.
Good luck

Aussiebean · 18/06/2020 07:37

It sounds like she is a product of her time and hasn’t moved on.

Trying to erase your heritage was common. In Australia, if you were pale enough to pass as white, you were forcefully taken from your family by the government and adopted to white families. If you weren’t, you were put into camps and abused while they ‘civilised’ you. Horrible horrible times and it only stopped in the 1970s.

When you grow up being told by society that it is shameful, I am not surprised your mother went so far to hide it. Then she married a man who would judge and reject her for her heritage and it sounds like he has not changed, so why would she?

We are only just now embracing heritage that isn’t white European and unfortunately a lot of the older Generation still hold it true.

It is lovely that you are breaking that cycle with your dc.

ittakes2 · 18/06/2020 07:55

I can see why you are upset. But I hope you can process things and move on without falling out with your mother. Things were different back then - we tend to look at things in the context of our own generation. My grandfather at 95/96 was hesitant to tell me what he saw as a huge family secret / slur on our family name.....that his grandmother had an affair and her husband and his family cut both her and their child (his mother) off and he whispered to me his real grandfather’s surname never to be repeated. When he died his children burnt any letters from this time that would explain the details. Of course I was sitting there thinking this all sounds very exciting - but the shame of it that his family carried down was so real that out of his 6 children and 30 odd grandchildren, I was the only person he told this secret to (we were very close and I was interested in ancestory.
We were also told the reason my grandfather had very dark skin was due to a Spanish ship captain generations ago - but after my family doing ancestory dna...there isn’t any Spanish in any of our dna. My dad thinks like you everyone was told Spanish to cover up a less desirable heritage at the time.

User170620 · 28/06/2020 19:48

I thought some of you might like to know the progress I've made in finding other family members. I've now miraculously made contact with my grandads niece and we spoke for two hours on the phone about all of her family.

My grandad had 4 brothers and 1 sister, 1 brother is still alive and lives in Bangladesh, I've got a photo of him! Crazy. So far I've been told about the families of three of the brothers and with that I know that my grandad has at least 26 nieces and nephews, still two of his siblings to go through as well. The neices and nephews mostly all have children so it's probably 100+ names I will end up been able to add to the family tree.

The niece I spoke to was so nice and she was happy to hear from me, she's tried to find my mum and auntie for so long and remembers playing with them when she was little. She has invited me and my aunt to her house to talk about the family tree when things calm down covid wise, it will also help having her there to check my spelling of everyone's names. I couldn't ever of imagined finding living relatives a few weeks ago, it still seems weird because they have lived totally different lives to us, most of them follow Islam and know Bengali, they go back to Bangladesh to the village quite often, they know so much about their family, even my great grandparents siblings. It's difficult to grasp that is also my family though! I feel very lucky I've contacted someone who is as interested in the family as I am. Very surreal

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Aussiebean · 28/06/2020 20:52

What a wonderful update. Flowers

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