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How do I stop taking shit of MIL without going NC

17 replies

littleyikes · 14/06/2020 13:19

MIL has always been a bit rude, supposedly without meaning too. A third of her family (including a sibling) no longer have contact with her due to insulting remarks over the years. She always plays the victim when talking about this, “poor me, they don’t bother with me anymore, what did I do?” DH and his siblings are blunt with her, call her out when she says something awful etc. It doesn’t change anything though.

She moved hours away (we were 20mins apart) just as I found out I was pregnant. Honestly, this didn’t bother me too much, I find her exhausting and didn’t look forward to that during pregnancy. Visiting her during this time wasn’t great, constant unsolicited advice on parenting, trying to get me to drink alcohol (and berating me for being so over the top by politely refusing) This has continued with them as babies, lots of ‘advice’ tried to feed my 4 month old a whole banana because ‘in her day..’ constantly going on and on about shifting that baby weight. If I hear her tell me about how are ‘marital bed’ should be one more time I’m going to scream.

Due to the nature of DHs work it’s difficult to stay with them other than when he has booked holiday, the house is also extremely un-baby/toddler proof, so when we stay it’s a bit stressful, but we visit as regularly as we can. This does have to fit around a hobby she has, quite often dates DH can get off work won’t work, or last minute cancellations due to hobby related things. She stayed with us once last year (rearranged several times) and we did a couple of ‘halfway’ visits.

We live just over an hour away from my parents. My DM visits at least once a week, (obviously different story during lockdown) and MIL doesn’t like this. She’s seeing it as some sort of competition. Every phone call from DH starts with “when are you/have you seen littleyikes’ mum?” She gets upset and argues with DH that she doesn’t see her grandchildren enough that we need to make more of an effort to bring them to her.
It’s now onto gift giving - what are my parents getting DC for Christmas/birthday etc? And then her go to phrase “oh yes, I use to get like that with MY first grandchild” which I thinks just a shitty statement to make. She flip-flops between tears and anger that she doesn’t see them, to acting like she doesn’t care.

She’s just draining. I feel like such a bitch, I’ve blocked her number because I’m tired of the messages and phone calls riddled with put downs and her problems, I could spend 45mins on a phone all without saying anything past hello. (DH just told her I don’t really use my phone now)

We’ve had a shit couple of weeks leading up to our youngest’s birthday because we cancelled the family party as my DF is shielding and FIL is shielding (they’re divorced) she’s now insisted we have her and my DM here... and sulking about gifts...

I’m just so done with her drama, I’m full of resentment and really just want to go NC but can’t really do that to DH, it’s his mum. Can I just follow up every insult with fuck off? 😂 I’ve been quietly polite and avoiding conflict for over a decade, how do I change my approach without looking like I’m losing it over a small remark about how I really, “shouldn’t wear that length skirt, it makes you look dumpier than you are darling.”

TL;DR - I find MIL rude and selfish and would quite like to change my approach from ‘conflict avoidance’ to a comfortable place between - ‘do you mean to be so rude?’ And ‘just shut the fuck up’

OP posts:
EL8888 · 14/06/2020 13:24

She sounds like a nightmare! It’s all about her isn’t? Personally l would have to go no contact or very low contact. She’s rude, annoying and self absorbed. It all has to be around her feelings, random hobby and it appears how external people perceive her. Sorry to not be more constructive but l can’t find any helpful to say because of the way she is

Pessismistic · 14/06/2020 13:33

I would let dh take gc on his own and when she asks why Your not visiting he can tell her straight you don’t like the way she is with you and your not here for her to speak to you like this you don’t need this shit and if your dh is busy working and can’t fit visiting into her hobby schedule she has to choose what’s more important her gc or hobby most woman would just not visit her so don’t good luck op.

Gutterton · 14/06/2020 14:14

Know what you are dealing with.

Sounds like a right narc - no boundaries or respect for anyone else, jealousy, insults, chaos and drama.

Entitled, deluded, arrogant.

Step away from it. Don’t try to fix her or expect or demand better behaviour - you will just get more of the toddler tantrums, tears, rows and threats which she uses to control everyone 24/7 - so everyone is compliant to avoid her erupting.

You are blessed that she is far away, you are ahead that you have cut the phone contact. Just keep fading from her life. Feel no guilt. Many others have found her intolerable and stepped away. Emotionally detach in your head. See her words and actions as pathetic - like some ludicrous pantomime dame. This takes away her power to hurt you. Everyone else will know how ridiculous her demands and behaviours are as well - eye rolls and the side eye help.

Be vague and non committal on everything she asks you. Vanilla responses. Make yourselves boring - grey rock - so she has no purchase.

Assume everything has a negative agenda and don’t hand her any info to twist and use as ammunition. Especially around your parents - this is obviously a war zone for her.

Let your DH take your DC and manage her directly - also as grey rock, vague responses. IME guys like this won’t even bother as they can’t stand them and it is often us who enables it.

Drop the rope on her silly games. Use your headspace and finite emotional energy and time for your DC, DH and the nice radiant people in your life.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/06/2020 15:02

Would read toxic in-laws by Susan forward.

If he wants to continue at all to have a relationship with his mother then he can see her on his own. Of course you can go NC with his mother, why would you not?. Would you have tolerated this from a friend, no you would not have done.

I agree with gutterton here but I would actually keep your children well away from your mother in law simply because narcissists make for being deplorably bad grandparents. Do not force a relationship. Children need grandparents yes but importantly emotionally healthy grandparents, his mother does not fit the bill at all.

Like many narcissists as well they tend to either undervalue or overvalue the relationship with the grandchildren. Also it will do your kids no favours for them to keep on seeing their dad or you as their mum being this disrespected by their nan. It is not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way.

She is bad news all round and I am not at all surprised that a third of her own family no longer have anything to do with her. Her behaviour towards you people to date is a continuation of what they have had. Keep drifting away and look too at the out of the fog website if you have fear, obligation or guilt.

It is really not possible to have a relationship with someone this disordered of thinking so you all really need to stay well away from her.

WinnieWonder · 14/06/2020 15:05

I think you have played a good move blocking her on yr phone. She probably never thought you would dare.

Apple1029 · 14/06/2020 15:19

But why are you so worried about upsetting her. If she was a nice person I would say just smile and ignore. She sounds absolutely horrible so why are you affording her much more allowances than she deserves?
Stand up to her and call her out. what do you have to lose? She dislikes you already so her disliking you even more isnt going to make a difference. As for upsetting your dh, he knows what she is like so he would understand your position.
She gets away with it doing it to you because you allow it. Next time call her out loudly on it.

Gutterton · 14/06/2020 20:33

Apple because if the MIL is a true narc - you do not need to provoke and then be the recipient of narcissistic rage - which will be sustained, disproportion, off the scale and likely involve a personal smear campaign.....these types don’t change.....look at the evidence and casualties amongst 1/3 of her family who have abandoned her - no doubt the other 2/3 are clenching their jaws.

They are not normal. Normal rules don’t apply. They are personality disordered. Don’t engage if you don’t want to get stung.

Rainycloudyday · 14/06/2020 20:44

She sounds awful OP but only on MN are all awful people ‘narcs’ Hmm It’s a pretty rare medical diagnosis yet from reading these boards it’s applicable to anyone who is just a bit of a cow.

AskingforaBaskin · 14/06/2020 20:53

Why are you doing this to yourself?

Gobbycop · 14/06/2020 20:57

Can I just follow up every insult with fuck off? 😂

Yes, or get fucked.

user283789563 · 14/06/2020 21:02

It does sound like you might get more enjoyment out of going to see the other relatives of your DH who have minimized contact with her...?

littleyikes · 15/06/2020 00:54

Thank you for the advice. The issue with confronting her or being equally rude back tends to be the fallout that my DH has to deal with. We're still hearing about how 'traumatised' she is from a (now NC) family member putting the phone down on her. That was a couple of years ago.

And yes, we have really good, happy relationships with the NC family members. The family that is in a similar position to us (still contact) we tend to have a more tense relationship? Mainly as the conversation is often peppered with recent drama/issues from MIL.

I think I will just go as low contact as possible, and talk to DH about him visiting alone - and IF he would consider taking DC alone. (Have a feeling this will be a no)

OP posts:
ScatteredMama82 · 16/06/2020 13:15

OP, are you married to my DH??? lol. My MIL sounds just like yours. She is a bloody nightmare and like you, I have tried for years to keep the peace. I swing between being really angry at her, then second-guessing myself and feeling bad in case I am overreacting.

I could spend days writing about all the things she's done. Like you, she brought wine she expected me to drink to celebrate being pregnant. She gave me a book on 'how to say no to children', she told me she hates spoiled children and then proceeds to lavish ours with gifts despite us asking her not to.

DH doesn't talk to her much, so she comes through me all the time. It's exhausting and I am currently really fretting as she wants us to be her 'bubble' and I've said no. I don't know why I'm fretting, why would we bubble with someone we don't like?? You have my sympathy.

Gutterton · 16/06/2020 13:24

ScatteredMama82 your post illustrates my earlier post that their sons don’t often actually want to be involved much - even though they don’t articulate this verbally - rather it’s us trying to forge contact as we want to foster a nice normal family environment (but the reality is that we are not dealing with normal or nice) so OP step back and let your DH take whatever actions that work for him......I suspect he will bother much less with her than you both are now with your facilitation.

Windyatthebeach · 16/06/2020 13:27

Every complaint just suggest she sees therapy for her anxiety and apologise for not being qualified to comment on her issues...
Keep her blocked.
Stop giving her any info about your dps /visits /gifts etc..

TorkTorkBam · 16/06/2020 13:27

@user283789563

It does sound like you might get more enjoyment out of going to see the other relatives of your DH who have minimized contact with her...?
This is the answer.
TorkTorkBam · 16/06/2020 13:33

@littleyikes

Thank you for the advice. The issue with confronting her or being equally rude back tends to be the fallout that my DH has to deal with. We're still hearing about how 'traumatised' she is from a (now NC) family member putting the phone down on her. That was a couple of years ago.

And yes, we have really good, happy relationships with the NC family members. The family that is in a similar position to us (still contact) we tend to have a more tense relationship? Mainly as the conversation is often peppered with recent drama/issues from MIL.

I think I will just go as low contact as possible, and talk to DH about him visiting alone - and IF he would consider taking DC alone. (Have a feeling this will be a no)

What you are saying there is that DH uses you as a human shield.

Other relatives do not use their partners as human shields and as a result have very little contact.

You are enabling your DH to be mistreated by his mother by letting yourself be his human shield.

Yes, when you take the shield away he will have to deal with the attacks on him. Yes, it might mean he has to follow other family members in cutting her off. Yes, coming to terms with having a bad mother will be difficult.

It is still the right thing to happen. You should stop enabling him. Just give him a cuddle when he gets hurt by her and suggest he calls one of the sensible relatives for advice. Don't revert to human shield.

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