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Is this a trauma bond???

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JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 09:11

Ok I post on here a lot, but i think that just goes to show how confused my mind is. I've posted before about my marriage a number of times and have often received quite demoralising responses saying that leaving my husband is a no brainer, or basically saying I'm weak and failing my daughter for staying and keeping my child in this situation. However I just don't see it as being that simple. My brain is constantly working, thinking and never coming to any conclusion. I know his behaviour is wrong at times, but I can't see what others see and I feel that I am heavily to blame for the situation and should be working harder to make things better.

My sister is convinced my husband is abusive and controlling and I haven't told her anywhere near half of what goes on. She works with abused women, so she would know I suppose. A lot of people on here have told me his behaviour is abusive as well. But I really struggle to see it. He accuses me of being abusive and angry, so most of the time I end up putting any argument on me.

My mum is an alcoholic and my dad was an incredibly angry and critical man when I was a child, so I had a very difficult childhood, and at 17 jumped straight into a relationship with my husband. Perhaps like a drowning person clings to anything to survive. We have been together 13 years, married for nearly 4. Even in our formative years, if I think back, he would make jokes at my expense. I just thought that was 'banter' as it were. He would make snide comments about my driving, criticise my family, laugh at my hobbies, mock my music taste, or what I wanted to watch on tv, I'm the butt of jokes in his family for my cooking skills. I'm very clearly thought of as undomestic. As a young women who has always has to put up with such comments both at home and school where I was bullied mercilessly, it didnt occur to me there was anything wrong. Obviously over time this have moved to much worse name calling and general nastiness. But not all the time. And he can be nice sometimes. However I started to feel that the nice came at a price, that would be used as ammunition against me at a later date. 'I cooked you a meal, you are so ungrateful' if I got something wrong.

I have drawn a line. He is currently not at home after I walked out 2 weeks ago, saying it was over. At this point I was physically and emotionally exhausted, of what I feel is a never ending rollercoaster. We would have arguments, I mean massive rows that lasted sometimes for days of him refusing to be civil to me. Then we would make up and for a few days or weeks there would be a peace. Only the time between rows grew shorter. The highs were not as high and the loss were lower. Lockdown has not been my friend and I have to admit that I felt my only choice was to get in the car and stay with my sister. He has since moved to his parents.

However I have conceded ground on my initial 'its over' stance, to saying we need to get some help for our issues, before we can live together and make this work. And for a few days I really believed this. But he is now up to the old tricks of messaging me inflammatory comments. I'm trying not to respond. He then accuses me of not trying to fix anything, of stringing him along, of all this being on my terms. I have asked for space and yet he has messaged me every day. Obviously we need contact because of my daughter.

I'm sorry this is such a long post. But I cannot see things clearly at all. My head is a complete mess. Deep deep down I know this needs to end. But I can't do it. Is this a trauma bond? How do I make a decision? How can I see things more clearly? Has anyone escaped this mind f* rollercoaster and lived to tell the tale. Any solidarity would be great.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/06/2020 09:37

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

You learnt a lot of damaging lessons about relationships when you were growing up. No-one sadly ever thought it necessary to protect you from seeing abuse at home and your own boundaries got skewed by seeing all that too, you internalised it. It is therefore not entirely surprising that you went onto choose an alcoholic and or otherwise critical and angry man for a husband yourself. Your H was a way out from your shit life at home but he is really another version of your parents here because that is what you've always and only known. Its familiar to you sadly and it needs now to be different. You absolutely deserve a life free from abuse and being abused at the hands of other people.

Do you have much if any relationship with your parents these days? Probably not. Am sure both your parents can be "nice" sometimes but their nice/nasty cycle is a continuous one too. They are and remain abusive towards you as well, such people do not change and they also never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions (your H is doing that too). It is not your fault they are like this and you did not make them that way. You did not make your H the ways he is either, he just wants a scapegoat here and currently that is you.

You can and should break this cycle now for your DD as well as your own self. You matter!!!. You do not have to put yourself last here. You would not want her to grow up with her seeing a trauma bonded and otherwise emotionally preoccupied mother and her angry and critical dad together day in and day out. What sort of man would she then go onto choose in her relationships?. Yep and the toxic dysfunction continues. Its no legacy to leave her.

You have made an error of judgment here in backing down from your "its over" position because he will now seize on that as he has already done. You can tell him that you have changed your mind; he would have twisted all your words anyway to suit his own ends here. He is not going to be further kind and or reasonable to you here when it does come to you divorcing him; he is not your friend and he will make this as protracted and difficult as possible for you. This is not to say you should not divorce him, you should absolutely go ahead here. He cannot and will not respect a boundary you asked for now; i.e to have some space. He is denying you that by calling you every day. He is never going to be at all reasonable and or amicable because he senses too he is losing control over you. That is what abuse is all about; power and control.

Abuse like you describe thrives on secrecy so please start opening up to other people like your sister here. She likely knows that things have been bad for you at home, she can support you and she can point you in the direction of further help from domestic violence organisations. Shine sunlight on this and rebuild your life without him in it day to day.

JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 09:51

Thank you @AttilaTheMeerkat. Wise words as always. And I think I know what you are saying. But at the same time, everything churning in my head and I can't think or see clearly again. I spend much of my time terrified I'm doing the wrong thing. And currently I'm finding it impossible to take a step in either direction. I'm just rooted to the spot, scared of moving in either direction.

Oddly, I have a good relationship with my parents these days, much to surprise of my counsellor. However I'm aware of their behaviours and they are a safe distance away. I know their behaviour was wrong, but I also feel life is too short to hold a grudge.

Currently my husband is blowing hot and cold, and it just continues to fuel my confusion. I was hoping some space would give me more clarity, but he is not really giving me any space.

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Menora · 06/06/2020 10:01

Yes, it probably is some form of trauma but this might not be a bond, it’s that you fear your own decisions and are confused by your own feelings. Essentially you don’t trust yourself and need your H to be the grown up/parent figure, he is in this role of your parents and you may be the child. Possibly you are stuck here because it’s familiar, and familiar is less terrifying than being alone. To get away from him you need to heal the trauma that makes you doubt yourself and feel so vulnerable and incapable of trusting your own thoughts and feelings
He is doing a good job of keeping this dynamic going for you by making you doubt everything

You need counselling alone
Sooner rather than later
You cannot have couples counselling with someone abusive - no counsellor would let it happen. They would stop it the moment they saw it.

Been where you are - out the other side

Menora · 06/06/2020 10:09

If you want more info I can provide it
I was not nurtured as a child and had no protective parenting. I was also told my thoughts and feelings were not correct (gaslighting) and that I was just hysterical and needy and badly behaved and all manner of negative behaviours were placed on me and I wasn’t allowed to challenge them. I was an anxious child and When I became an adult the anxiety got worse and worse. I’m now 40 and only just learning to speak my own voice and feelings and trust them. I now won’t allow anyone to come along and repeat this behaviour of my childhood as it finally feels wrong, and not familiar

Canoo · 06/06/2020 10:09

I was in an abusive relationship. We weren’t married and had no dc but it was still really difficult to get away from. My friend told me I was “addicted to the drama” and she was right. I haven’t heard the phrase “trauma bond” before but that rings true. We shared so many intense experiences it was hard to break away from, we’d have tortured discussions about how to make it work. I spent all my time thinking about it, it was so exhausting.

I’m afraid the only thing that worked for me was meeting someone else. Suddenly the fog lifted and my ex was easy to get away from. It turns out I wasn’t difficult or the cause of arguments. I’ve never had a row with my husband. A calm relationship with no drama is so much better!

It is like an addiction and difficult to break away from. The only thing I can suggest is to meet new people so that you can see that most people are calm and kind and you don’t need that kind of drama in your life.

Menora · 06/06/2020 10:12

I think if you have had an abusive childhood it is not as simple as meeting someone else as you are not healed and it will very likely repeat itself

AnnaNimmity · 06/06/2020 10:22

The way to see things more clearly is to go no contact with him. I know you have children, but you really don't need to speak to him several times a day. You should set up an email account for him and just use that for contact. With distance you will see more clearly. Of course he's not giving you space! He knows you'll break free. But you need to take it.

The PP that says abuse thrives on secrecy is right - be open to your friends about what's happening (or one good friend - who you know won't enable you, but will be supportive).

You know that your relationship is toxic and no good for the children. I would suggest getting counselling on your own. The advice is not to go to counselling with an abuser. They don't really ever change OP, but promising to try to change is part of the script.

I don't know if you are trauma bonded - this comes from a cycle of abuse - extreme loving and horrible behaviour in turn. I was subject to this with someone who was exceptionally loving, fun (lovebombing) and would then just dump me out of the blue. I would be left reeling and going back to him was completely inexplicable to any of my friends. But I did, more than once, and his treatment got more extreme, (and like the PP they would say I liked the drama - but I really didn't!), feeling that you loved the person beyond anything else.

category12 · 06/06/2020 10:27

He's what you know. You went from abusive household to abusive household and it's your normal.

You've done the right thing leaving, nothing will change if you go back, he can't even keep a single boundary for a moment even after you walked out.

You can actually block him and communicate only on your own terms, you know. You don't need to be at his disposal to message and harass. Make space for yourself, as he won't give it.

JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 11:28

Just to clarify. I am going to separate counselling. We tried joint counselling, and of course it didn't work. The counsellor was quite firm with him about his anger, but never suggested there was any abuse.

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CodenameVillanelle · 06/06/2020 11:32

We don't seek the love we need, we seek the love we know. You know abuse, so his abuse feels comfortable and normal to you.

Your life will never change if you stay with him. That would be one thing if it was only you having your life ruined by him but it's not. You'd be ruining your child's life by staying with him. You've made the decision to leave, now stick with it.

JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 11:32

@Canoo what you describe is exactly how I feel. Especially to tortured discussions aboutnjow to fix things and the perpetual thinking and worrying about it. I honestly can't imagine meeting anyone else right now. I came straight from a toxic family home, to this relationship and have never really been on my own. I'm desperately trying to find my way as I feel like I have never done anything on my own. Apart from the fact, with small human in tow, I wouldn't even know where to look for anyone else. Even if I wanted to.

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JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 11:34

@Menora thank you for responding. I am having counselling on my own, in a bid to solve some of my own issues and I hope this will make me stronger to resist his demands.

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Crossroads19 · 06/06/2020 12:57

I could have written this post myself.

I told my dh it was over 3 weeks ago. No sign of him leaving yet. Things are very tense.
For what it's worth, it sounds like you're doing the right thing. Go easy on yourself and give yourself space to breath. There is no rush for anything and your feelings count too.
It's a really brave thing to do. I got to the point where I thought I was going mad last year, when I realised, i was in an abusive relationship. He will never see it though and i am realising that i don't need to justify myself anymore.
Good luck with your journey xx

JustBeingMoi · 06/06/2020 13:20

Thank you @Crossroads19. Good luck to you too. It has taken me a long time to start feeling my feelings count. I often just hold on to them, because I feel they will infringe on other peoples thoughts and feelings.

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Dragongirl10 · 06/06/2020 13:20

You need to find yourself and learn to love and respect yourself. Nothing can improve without that happening and it will be impossible to do this if you are with him.

longtimecomin · 06/06/2020 13:38

This is abuse, you will be trauma bonded to him but just bite the bullet and end this and make a new life for you and your daughter. You need to show your daughter a better life as it will be repeated for her.

user11129563 · 06/06/2020 19:49

You've been together for a long time and it's just not working.
Surely it would be better for you to be apart and start moving towards what would work for you, what can work for you.
It doesn't matter who "ought to" change and how because very clearly ... that is just never going to happen.

Life is short, the past cannot be changed, but the future is in your hands.

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 06/06/2020 19:56

The fact he won’t give you space when you’ve said you need it says it all. Abusive men won’t give you space, as that’s space to realise how you actually feel and how abusive he is. They don’t want that.

You need to stay away from him as much as possible and be clear that it is over.

lasagnecheese · 24/03/2023 21:20

I know this is an old post but wondering if you managed to leave? I'm in an abusive marriage with a covert narcissist and have been researching trauma bonding. That's me 100%. Have two kids, the fear of leaving is so real. My husband is also applying similar tactics to yours. Did you get out? How did you start? It's been nearly twenty years of marriage for me. I didn't recognise what it was for the longest time. I see it now. Trouble is I'm now financially dependent and my self esteem is all time low. Doing lots of work on myself but very interested to know of you managed to heal and leave?

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