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Mothers and daughters

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MrsHairyPoppins · 04/06/2020 16:47

Who has a near perfect relationship with their mothers? I had when i was younger - in hindsight it was because I did everything she wanted / told me to. I got divorced two years ago and everything changed. She told me - verbatim - i have torn our family apart (my ex and i didn't have kids, amicable divorce, no hard feelings) and taken their son away from them. Zero support from either of my parents. I have since moved on, new relationship, happy etc. My mother seems to think everything is forgiven, yet my parents have both let me down - more my mother because i really needed her at the time - but it's left such a deep scar that i don't ever think we will have a "normal" relationship.

It is what it is. I don't expect my parents to change and I can't change the past.

My question is what is your relationship with your mother like and if anyone has ever overcome a big obstacle / fallout?

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Biber · 04/06/2020 21:21

Hi Mrs Hairy, that sounds so like my birth family. No discussion of issues, just an expectation that with time everything would be firmly in place under the carpet and we'd carry on as normal. It didn't work. Or, I wasn't happy growing up and became very distant with my parents.

Now I'm a mother. My daughter and I were very close when she was small but the relationship fell apart when she was in her teens. Mainly my fault. Or that's how I see it. I, and her father sometimes, made some severe errors. Add that to her sibling being autistic and developing some severe difficulties at the time meant she did not get enough of the motherly support she needed as a young teen. We became more and more estranged as she grew into her twenties.

One time we were visiting my mother, her granny, together. It was a long drive together. On the way home, I broached the subject of her teenage years and said I wanted to apologise for the things I had done wrong. It led to a deep and difficult conversation where we both were honest and cried. She had some things to confess and ask forgiveness for too. Being on our own in the car helped. We had to focus on each other but didn't have to look at each other.

Now we are very very close. Not suffocatingly close. We respect each other and both are very happy if either of us gets told we have a temperament like the other. She's a mum as well now and wants me involved with her family.

I do realise this is the other way round to the story you wanted to hear, but I wanted to show you that a difficult mother/daughter relationship can be healed. With love and open conversation and above all, listening. In my case, some very hard listening. Our past has not changed but we have moved on from it.

OP, I wish you well and hope you find some way of living with the hurt of being let down by your mother. I must say that the one time I tried to bring up some difficult issues with my mother she was not at at all receptive. In retrospect, I dare say I was overly acusative, rather than approaching the subject in a less aggressive way. In fact we spent some months not talking at all. Yet we still got closer as she got older and more inform. Particularly after my father died. Now she needed me, she was a lot warmer.

Initiating a challenging discussion yourself might not be effective, but it might also be very productive. Your call as to whether or not you try it. But if you do, it would be worth opening up more diplomatically than my bull in the china shop approach.

CrotchetyQuaver · 04/06/2020 22:08

I don't/didn't, she's in a nursing home now and the roles have reversed somewhat. It took me a very long time to realise she had it all completely wrong. I suppose that's what happens when you been bullied/controlled all your life and slapped down for any independent thinking. Once I'd worked that out, age about 50, I basically started to do the opposite with my daughters of what she had done with me. I'd say I have a lovely relationship with my girls, now mid 20's so definitely young adults. Much love and affection with mutual respect where we discuss issues and reach a consensus on the way forward without tears, drama, shouting or flouncing off and I am so happy we can be this way with each other. If we don't agree then that's fine too - we tell each other that and move on.

Why it took me so long to work things out when she had absolutely no friends and had fallen out with her entire family beats me... and how relaxed and happy and FUNNY my dad is now shes not around constantly telling him off.

CrotchetyQuaver · 04/06/2020 22:11

Oh I was left in no doubt that divorce would bring shame on "the family" and there would be no financial support forthcoming. I stayed married. Much easier anyway when you can dismiss the constant drip drip drip of criticism about DH from certain quarters.

Babdoc · 04/06/2020 22:33

My mother was a narcissist, and incapable of loving anyone but herself. She was vile, critical, selfish and completely destroyed her children’s self esteem. I went no contact with her when I was pregnant with my first child and never saw her again.
My own daughters are now 29 and 30. We have a lovely relationship, mainly because I did the opposite to my mother in virtually every aspect of parenting.
My DH died when they were babies, and I raised them alone, so we had a close bond. I’m proud of how confident, well balanced and loving they are, and how well they are doing in life. They both live 50 miles from me, in our nearest city (where their jobs are), and prior to lockdown often came back to our village for weekends. I also drove into the city to see them for meals, concerts and days out.
I’m chuffed that they have both frequently invited me on foreign holidays with them - they are lovely travelling companions. I think it’s important to give them some breathing space too, so I don’t smother them or try to live in their pocket - I have my own clubs and hobbies too, with my retired friends.
Mother/daughter can be difficult, competitive, controlling or bitchy as a relationship, or it can be a hugely rewarding and loving one, if you put in the spadework when they are young and handle the teenage years sensitively.

blankethog · 04/06/2020 23:01

Me and my mum are best friends. We've never really had a big falling out. I flounced a lot in my teens and she got frustrated with me and I'd often go stay with my nana for a few weeks but as soon as I became an adult we've had the best relationship, I go to her for everything and she comes to me for everything. We call everyday and she has a brilliant relationship with my DS. I wouldn't be without her tbh.

FluffyPinkSocks · 04/06/2020 23:15

Nope, haven’t any relationship at all. We were NC for 13 years and I reached out to her because of the pandemic (guilty conscience and all) but she has t bothered to reciprocate, she gave out to me for getting in touch. Her loss, not mine. She’s just missed out on the opportunity to meet her 5 grandchildren. I parent nothing like her at all, I just hope my children grow up to know their mum loved them and did their best for them, and to be honest at the minute I think I’m winning there!

LovingLola · 04/06/2020 23:20

My mother died many years ago, just after I got married. It’s probably the biggest sadness of my life. We had a good relationship but I so wish it could have grown and evolved. She would have been a wonderful grandmother

dayswithaY · 05/06/2020 18:56

I've just come back from my Mum's after a socially distanced visit. As usual, I feel awful, angry, resentful, guilty. Mum spent the whole time talking about my sister and how wonderful she is, whatever the topic of conversation she would tell everyone my sister's opinion on it - my sister wasnt even there. I tried to tell her my news but she just talked over me about sister - so hard-working, so stressed, let's all feel sorry for her, she's a brilliant parent. It was relentless. Now I'm feeling so petty and childish for being like this, why can't I just politely listen and feel equally proud of my sister and not feel so jealous. I also wonder is my Mum at fault for being so insensitive and displaying favouritism so obviously? It's like I'm so uninteresting and irrelevant to her. Am I wrong to feel like this?

Treacletoots · 05/06/2020 19:31

@dayswithaY sounds like my mother to a 't' except, I went NC with her years ago and have never regretted it.

She knows exactly what she's doing. She is making sure you know you are not her favourite in an attempt to keep you subordinate.

The only advice I can give is to go NC. Your life will immediately improve..

dayswithaY · 05/06/2020 19:39

I probably should but I lack the courage to do it.

CraftyGardener · 05/06/2020 19:49

Sorry your mother hasn't been supportive during your divorce. I was similar to you, always a rule follower and as the eldest did the majority of helping out around the house and looking after siblings. Over the years I've come to realise my mother is... kind of a bitch. She's lovely to me, but very negative about people and kind of a bigot. So while we are still close and speak often I keep things limited because it's kind of like hanging around with a dementor. She just sucks all of the joy out of the room 🤷‍♀️

SeahorseSaddle · 05/06/2020 23:45

I had a good relationship with my mum also until my marriage failed.

My husband was emotionally abusive and financially controlling and during the separation was extremely difficult about everything.

I was crying down the phone over an incident to do with our separation agreement to my mum and she offered to step in and help, up till then I had handled it myself but that day I was so on my arse I just couldn't deal with him or the situation so I accepted her help.

He called me not too long after to gleefully relay that my mum thought I was being very unfair to him and she thought that I was being unreasonable, which at the time I thought was just more hurtful nonsense from him since he was now willing to adhere to the agreement.

I called her to thank her and told her what he'd said and she "couldn't really remember if she had said anything like that" - this may seem fine but this is actually my mum not wanting to straight up lie by saying she didn't say that at all, but also not wanting to admit that she had said that.

It set my alarm bells ringing and so I asked a bit more and it was changed to "I might have said it to try and keep the peace" and then to "I just assumed you didn't have a separation agreement" I told her we did have one to which she replied "well you don't have one written down of course" we did.

She had said it. To my abusive EXH who she knew all about. She knew we had a separation agreement, knew he was avoiding keeping to it and that's why I had tagged her in.

It felt like a huge betrayal at the time, it still does. We don't speak now but I have had flying monkeys come to tell me how upset she is that I won't talk to her - because she won't apologise and expects me to forget it ever happened - and that she really needs me - well I kind of needed her, I still do but she wasn't there, instead handed my abuser another stick to beat me with and refuses to acknowledge any of it.

She says she's apologised but it was a "I'm sorry you feel that way" non-apology. Since leaving my ex I've noticed a lot of behaviours similar between them, it's quite unpleasant.

It really hurts actually and I now feel like I have no one in my corner.
Hope you're ok OP

SeahorseSaddle · 05/06/2020 23:49

FWIW I really wasn't being unreasonable, he was very much so.

Lollypop4 · 05/06/2020 23:52

Im really close to my mum.
But...when there are fall outs..its forgotten in days, swept under the carpet by both my parents.
Ongoing example is one of mt siblings, to be blunt, is a prat, his behaviour is at times so very wrong.Despite the arguemnets this causes with everyone , and my parents knowing how wrong he is, they pretend all is well after such fall outs
Drives me insane.
They wont change so Ive just excepted it

Lollypop4 · 05/06/2020 23:53

*accepted

Wolfgirrl · 05/06/2020 23:56

I havent seen my mother in years. I'm in my late 20s and have a nearly 1yo daughter.

She is a sociopath in the true sense of the word, and made my life miserable for years before I decided to go NC. Not just put down comments etc but stuff way, way, way beyond that.

Best decision ever, I am raising my daughter in a happy peaceful home where she will never have to walk on eggshells or wonder what mood I am in when she wakes up in the morning.

It is really really sad, but I've accepted it I think, and I rarely lose sleep over it any more. Life goes on.

To be forgiven she must be sorry - do you think she regrets what she said?

FruitPastillesaregood · 06/06/2020 07:54

Interesting to read these accounts. I have a very difficult relationship with my mother and also my sister, who is always supportive of her because my mother doesn’t show her shadow side to my sister.
I find it difficult to work out why my mother is as she is. She is very negative, critical and rigid in her thinking. She expects me to dress and behave a certain way . She looks for faults in me ceaselessly and never offers praise except sometimes in a rehearsed artificial way, so I know it isn’t genuine. I think she may be jealous of me, I just can’t understand her hostility and dislike.
She’s used my daughter as a proxy, punishing her for things she’s angry with me about. I haven’t seen or spoken to her in nearly a year. During that time she has been super nice to my daughter, in a way she certainly wasn’t before. It hurts that I feel excluded , but it’s also a relief. I know I have to get back in touch now but I’m dreading it. Last time I saw her she was really unkind and I left very upset. She’s never apologised. She never regrets her behaviour. I don’t know how to deal with her anymore. She’s had such a damaging effect on my life.

Happynow001 · 06/06/2020 12:57

@FruitPastillesaregood

She’s used my daughter as a proxy, punishing her for things she’s angry with me about.

During that time she has been super nice to my daughter, in a way she certainly wasn’t before. It hurts that I feel excluded , but it’s also a relief. I know I have to get back in touch now but I’m dreading it. Last time I saw her she was really unkind and I left very upset. She’s never apologised.
Your toxic parent is obviously manipulating both you and your daughter - I'm not sure why you wouldn't go very low/no contact with her. Doesn't sound as if she has any love in her for you - or for your daughter if she behaves this way.

How old is your daughter - can she withdraw from this "relationship" at all?

Antipodeancousin · 06/06/2020 13:27

I too thought I was very close with my mother until I was 16 and I did not ‘back her up’ RE an important decision she and her husband disagreed on. He got his own way and she spent my last two years at home being thoroughly vile and hateful towards me which I knew was wrong even at the time. It is very hard to have a relationship with anyone who blames others and casts the self as the victim.

FruitPastillesaregood · 06/06/2020 18:36

happy

She is an adult. She knows what my mother is really like, as she lives with her for six weeks out of necessity at one stage. My mother was vile to her. I think my mother does love me in her own way, but she has suppressed a lot of rage and unresolved feelings from the past. She’s like a volcano. Spilling out when least expected.
I will keep things LC when I do get in touch. I will keep it very minimal.

MrsHairyPoppins · 17/06/2020 15:53

@SeahorseSaddle i identify so much with your post.

I guess the same way birds push their babies out of their nests and pandas (who almost always have twins) shun the one in favour of the other, mothers and daughters will always have complicated relationships.

I really do hope that I won't have the same relationships with my children. It's easy to say "oh of course I 'll be much different", that is what my mother says about hers.

I wonder if parents know how much they can f**c up their children? I suspect not.

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