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Partner moving in - Arrangements regarding property

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Dacquoise · 02/06/2020 09:04

Hi Everyone,

My partner is shortly going to be moving in with me to start a new life together. However, we have hit a bit of a bump regarding the arrangements about property ownership and I am wondering if anyone has had the same experience and can give me some suggestions.

We have been doing a lot of work on my house which has a mortgage in my name and is in my sole name on the deeds. I have around 70% equity in the property. The intention is for him to buy 50% of the property making it joint ownership.

However, he can't raise a mortgage on 50% of the property but doesn't want to cash in his investments or pension to pay off my mortgage and give me the money for the other 20%. He would like to take over the mortgage payments and give me lump sums for the rest in installments which is okay, only he wants some assurance for the amount he has already paid out i.e. he has financed the work we have done on the house with a view to offsetting half of it against the cost of buying his share of the house.

We have looked into drawing up a beneficial interest but my mortgage company want him to go on the mortgage to do this. This would effectively make me equally liable for the mortgage although technically it shouldn't be mine as he would be paying it to pay for his share of the house. I am also not keen on the expense of going through the mortgage process with him when the mortgage is already fixed at a very good rate.

Any ideas/solutions regarding this would be greatly appreciated?

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PerfidiousAlbion · 02/06/2020 23:31

You seem far more concerned about him not losing out financially, than you do about your own potential losses. You’re being overly generous. Ask yourself why.

Hanab · 03/06/2020 00:13

See a solicitor asap!

Besides the house do you have investments? He would seem to be in a better place financially then you.. what happens if you separate? If you due before him? Does your daughter get her fair share?
So many things to consider for yourself but you come across to me as being more concerned about him 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hanab · 03/06/2020 00:13
  • die before him
Aquamarine1029 · 03/06/2020 00:17

I think you are burying your head in the sand. DO NOT risk your financial future. You need a solicitor and a very big rethink. Don't be foolish.

highmarkingsnowbile · 03/06/2020 00:29

Why the rush to give away your financial security to an unmarried partner? Honestly, this sounds ridiculous. See a solicitor. Hopefully he/she will talk sense into you.

RantyAnty · 03/06/2020 02:15

How much has he invested in the house?

Cinderella66 · 03/06/2020 02:24

If the partner has already done improvement work on the house, more than maintenance, and or has made direct payments to the mortgage, he already has an equitable interest in the property. This type of thing can get messy very quickly and OP really needs to take legal advice to avoid ambiguity and protect what share of the property she wishes to retain. It's still an unwise thing to do.

For everyone else who wishes to avoid giving away an interest in their property, the 3 general rules are do not allow them to make direct payments against the mortgage, be very clear it is not your intention they should ever have a financial interest in your property and finally, do not allow them to do any home improvements. And the golden rule, don't marry them!

category12 · 03/06/2020 08:04

You need to get independent legal and financial advice on your own about your specific circumstances and what you want to do, not advice off the internet.

Pay out for professional advice. Do it before you commit to anything.

7yo7yo · 03/06/2020 08:33

OP has left but if they ever come back I’d say you would be foolish to do this. He has investments but doesn’t want to cash them in? Your partner wants 50% of the house for 30% of the money.
Sorry that you didn’t hear what you wanted to.

Dacquoise · 03/06/2020 10:25

Blimey this thread has really run away with itself and I am not sure if some posters have actually read my original post as there are a lot of assumptions being made. @7yo7yo where did you get the idea that my partner wants half the house for 30% of the money?!?

To put everyone's mind at rest I will summarise the situation and answer your questions one last time:

My partner is buying 50% of my house. We decided against selling my house and buying something new together. We have made improvements to mine and like it a lot so have decided to stay here. Not an unusual decision in the grand scheme of things. If I had decided to sell, I would have been left with some equity left over to do with what I wanted so I am not sure why posters are getting so hung up on him buying into my house. It is also the commitment we have decided to make to each other in lieu of marriage which we may do later for inheritance tax purposes.

The house is bigger than I need as a single person and has taken a lot of renovation. I would have downsized if I had remained single so I am not giving up the security of my house or as some are suggesting making myself potentially homeless in the future. My daughter will be moving on in the next couple of years and I have already made the provisions for her below which is another reason I don't need a house of this size to myself. If things don't work out with my partner and I have to sell to take half the house towards another property, I have pension funds that would cover the difference if I decided I wanted to replace the size of house I am leaving which I probably wouldn't do. I would buy either a new build apartment or a two bed cottage, smaller, cheaper.

In the event of my death, I have an insurance policy that pays out to my daughter for a sizeable sum of money. She would also inherit my pension funds, again sizeable. She would be well set up to buy herself a property outright straightaway with lots to spare.

In the event of my death my partner will either have to sell the house and take his share to buy another property and the remainder goes to my daughter or if he has purchased the whole 50% at this stage he can remain there until he dies at which point my daughter will inherit my 50%. I will have a will drawn up when he moves in to reflect this. It will only reflect the amount invested already, we will have to update it as the amount changes.

I have already taken legal advice about the beneficial interest but as I explained in the initial post my mortgage company require my partner to go on the mortgage which is not in my interests. My question was about the other technicalities of ensuring that the money he has already invested is recorded was what I was seeking advice on. Although most posters seem to have jumped on my reasoning for selling half my house!

My partner does not want to cash in his investments or pension at this time because the stock market has taken a hit because of Covid 19 and it makes much more sense to pay my mortgage at the low rate than lose the value of the shares. He is very canny with investments and that is a sound reason not to cash them in. It isn't possible to raise a 50% mortgage on a property which has someone else's equity for the other 50%. Nothing sinister about it. I would also add that my partner behaved impeccably and with total integrity and honesty in his divorce negotiations, something my ex husband definitely didn't. Hence why I want a future with him.

The intention is for him to wait until the stock market increases and pay off the whole mortgage in one hit in around 2.5 years when my fixed rate ends, avoiding redemption fees.

The money that is released to me from the 20% equity he will purchase will be reinvested by me, probably shares, to enable me to retire a bit earlier than planned and a lump sum given to my daughter for her own property purchase. I would have taken this money from my pension fund. It makes more financial sense to leave my pension fund, which is a SIPP, alone as it is powering away despite the recent dip caused by the stock market. One of my funds has achieved 46% increase in the last few months. My house would not do the same and it is very likely that house prices will fall soon.

So in summary the person most vulnerable in this situation is my partner as:

  • he has already invested a large amount for house renovations on a property that he has no legal claim on. He is not on the deeds or the mortgage and will remain that way until he has paid for the 50% he intends to buy. I will put him on the deeds as a joint owner at the point he paid off the mortgage and settled the other 20%. We are not married so the maximum he can claim is what he has actually paid for which is fair in the scheme of things.
  • we have talked about him paying the mortgage and agreed that should we split up before him paying the whole lot off, he will be refunded what he has paid minus an amount for rent he would have paid for accommodation. We intend to split the bills 50/50 although he pays for a lot of our social life, trips away etc (memories!) as his income is a lot higher. He is very generous.
  • I am as sure of the relationship as it is possible to be. All relationships have an element of risk. There are no guarantees, hence why I have thought through all eventualities.

So ladies, please calm down!

I was only asking about how to get this tied up legally not for a critique of my life decisions.

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Cinderella66 · 03/06/2020 11:00

he has already invested a large amount for house renovations on a property that he has no legal claim on

This is incorrect, as he already has an equitable interest in the property by virtue of the monies put into it for the improvements. This is one of the reasons I express concern, because you don't seem to understand the operation of equitable and legal interest and how he already has a claim on the property. What you are asking is how to have that equitable interest reflected in a document that would protect your partners interest. In actual fact, the document will only lay out the intention of the parties. The fact is that he will continue to build and increase his equitable interest by continuing to make payments against the mortgage.

You need to seek legal advice because you demonstrably do not understand the operation of this area of law, and you need to, in order to protect your legal and equitable interest.

The document you require is a deed of trust but as I said earlier this may be contrary to your mortgage terms and conditions. You need to seek legal advice to have a deed of trust drawn up. But you will both have to take separate legal advice in order for it to have effect.

What you propose is unwise and I would even say foolhardy whatever your financial position.

yesterdaystotalsteps123 · 03/06/2020 11:10

He's not that canny if he's investing huge amounts of his money in your house and isn't legally protected. Sounds like he's using that to manipulate the situation to get what he wants (your house) be careful

Dacquoise · 03/06/2020 11:11

If the intention is for him to have an interest in the property and we are trying to set it up on that basis I am not sure what the problem here is?!?

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Tappering · 03/06/2020 11:13

You would be far better to re-mortgsge, give him the cash for what he's spent on your house and keep the property in your name only - he can pay rent for his share. But you seem determined to go ahead regardless.

Best of luck to you. I sincerely hope that we don't see you back on here in a few years, posting for advice because your partner is trying to cash in on your house and you have no way of stopping him.

okiedokieme · 03/06/2020 11:35

We are drawing up a separate trust agreement stating how we would split assets, it's not fully legal but the solicitor said the court would consider it carefully and have to have good reason before overruling - only cost me £60 (wrote it myself, solicitor advised and notarised it). We do think we will marry at some point but I haven't legally divorced yet, was hoping the law would change but covid slowed it down.

Sunsetboater · 03/06/2020 14:07

It's the part where you say he wants some assurance for the amount he's already paid out for the house improvements?
How did he originally come about making those improvements? Did you ask him? Did he just offer?

Interestedwoman · 03/06/2020 14:11

I wouldn't. Make sure you've paidd half towards the renovations etc and then you're square.

If he wants his own property, he can get one, although it sounds like he must've been a bit feckless at one point or something, so is finding it hard to get a mortgage.

If he just is given half of what you've worked for, he's riding on your coattails.

You can't rely on him staying with you and paying it all off via the mortgage. 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce, and your not even married and have both been married before, so your risk is more, maybe 75% chance of splitting up or something. So you have a 75/100 chance that this won't work and only a 25/100 chance it'll work. These are just my made up statistics but you see what I mean.

In fact, I just found something that says it's completely accurate at 75% even for second marriages. www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/heart-the-matter/201704/do-half-all-marriages-really-end-in-divorce

If you end up doing stuff with your pension fund or anything, you could end up really fucked or not in a pleasant position at all

Otterhound · 03/06/2020 14:52

With whats happened to the stock market he’d be mad to cash in investments now.

OP, you do need some legal advise in how to arrange this so that you are both covered as I cant see how it would work any other way. It would be money well spent

Personally I see this as a good way to free up equity in the house. And if the boot was on the other foot the naysayers would be telling you to get on the deeds come what may, even if you didnt have a penny to your name.

Dacquoise · 03/06/2020 15:19

Thank you @Otterhound Flowers

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