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TB's "moving in with dp" thread

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tammybear · 11/10/2004 18:44

We're not going to be living together til next year but I would like to be well prepared for when the time comes (we're looking at least half a year away). There are lots of things I know that need to be considered and would like Mumsnet's help to make sure I hae everything sorted out.

Our current situation for anyone that doesnt know it too well, is that I live in Watford on my own with dd (22 months), and dp (who isnt the father) lives in Kent. He is doing the 2nd year of his degree, and is going to do the third at a uni nearby which he is applying for now. He currently works part time, and Im a SAHM living on benefits. Dp is willing to move up here as he doesn't want me to be too far away from my family as I need my mum's help with dd a lot. I am currently renting a house (contract runs out around the time he wants to move here) but we think it is best that we find somewhere new together rather than him just moving in with me.

We haven't had a proper chat about this yet, as I do think it is better to talk him in person about this rather than on the phone (don't know why, just seems more appropriate) and wont see him for 2weeks so want to be well prepared knowing what we need to think about. But when we first spoke about it, dp said he thinks it would be best we get a three bedroomed house so there's plenty of room for all our stuff and plus his parents can stay over if they are visiting (which I don't mind).

Im not sure what dp is thinking of, but I do think he's thinking of us buying our own house (not that we can afford it unless his parents are feeling rather generous lol). I think we would be better off renting for probably the first two years just to make sure we don't end up killing each other, and that us living together is a good idea. But as I am on benefits, I know these will be affected.

There are also a lot of other factors that will be affected. I have already told mum yesterday, and although I think she'd be happy with it as long as she gets to know dp a bit better (they do talk but they rarely see each other) and if we are willing to try and overcome all the obstacles together that are ahead of us, she'll be supportive. Things that need to be taken into consideration are:
*benefits
*dp's job - he'll need to get one when he moves here
*dd - how dp living with us is going to affect her, but she does get on well with him
*telling dp's parents
*finding a new suitable place
*being able to afford furniture, deposits etc
*getting myself a well earning part time job (if there can be such a thing)
*dd's father - he got very angry when he found out i was going on holiday with dp and that i was with him, and so I can imagine how bad he is going to be when he finds out about this

So my first question (first of many most likely) is what will be affected? I am on income support, child tax credit, housing and council tax benefit, and child benefit. Will this all be affected (except CB) if we're living together? I am hoping to get myself a part time job (although it seems to be taking forever) as I do want to try and save what I can, and dp is doing the same, but I was just wondering how much benefits would be affected if say he was just working part time or if we were both working part time? (sorry if that sounds really confusing and sorry for it being so long!!)

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coppertop · 11/10/2004 18:53

I don't know the ins and outs of IS but if you and/or dp are working you will probably qualify for Working Tax Credits. You could use the Inland Revenue site's calculator and put in a rough figure of what you think you might both be earning. You may even discover that you will be better off.

Haven't had a chance to say CONGRATULATIONS yet. I hope it all goes really well for you all. xx

turquoise · 11/10/2004 18:54

www.adviceguide.org.uk/
Tammybear I'm just on my way out but wanted to say hurray at the news about dp, and that is a link to the CAB website which should give you some info about how your benefits might change. HTH

turquoise · 11/10/2004 18:54

Why don't my links ever work!!!! That's the address anyway.

NomDePlume · 11/10/2004 18:55

I agree that it makes sense to rent first, that way of it doesn't work out quite the way you planned then you can go your seperate ways at the end of your short-hold tenancy (6 or 12 months).

I'm afraid I know nothing about the benefits system, so can't advise you there.

tammybear · 11/10/2004 19:16

thanks. Ive had a look at CAB, but a lot to look through so will do that when I have a bit more time. And I'll be able to get Working Tax Credit if I work over 16 hours (but will come off Income Support) or if dp works over 30 hours.

Another question: when's the best time to tell his parents? I told my mum as I think it's best she knows well in advance because of dd, and I like to know what she thinks of it all etc. But would it better for dp to tell his parents on his own, or with me there?

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tammybear · 12/10/2004 12:52

Just had a thought. Me and exp dont always see eye to eye. At times we get on, but most of the time we don't. Like I said when he found out that I was going on holiday with dp, he got very angry very quickly (luckily we were in the garden and dd was inside with my mum but even then my mum could hear exp screaming at me and was afraid exp was going to hit me at one point). He then said he doesnt want to hear stuff like this from me (but I only told him as I didnt want him to come whilst I was away).

as dp is moving in with me and dd, i suppose exp does have a right to know, but when do i have to tell him? this is one thing im not looking forward to, as i know how he'll react. it'll be "you're just doing this to get me out of the picture and have dp take over as the father" (which from day 1 me and dp have always said wont be the case) He'll get angry, and probably like last time won't come to see dd for ages (he didn't see her for 12 weeks after the holiday incident) He also brought up about Parental Responsibility which he always brings up as he thinks Im threatened by it (???) and so I know he'll bring that up again, demanding he gets it. He'll probably also moan that he doesnt want to come to where me and dp live.

oh and the reason exp doesnt have PR already is because he only brings it up when ive upset him and he doesnt get his own way, or he has lost/forgotten the forms. and also the last time i spoke to him about it, he said he didnt understand what the forms meant. idiot, why doesnt he go to his solicitor then?? neway...

so basically how and when do i tell him? all suggestions welcome.

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:06

tough one! And i should know. I never actually told exp that dp moved in, it was more a case of him staying over, and over and over. Thats the cowards way out, but he would have reacted exactly the same as your exp would/will.
Does he deserve to be told, you say he never treats you with respect, maybe do the same with him.

I am DREADING telling exp that i am pg. I know how he'll react - varying from total agression to sad and wishing things were different (which he doesnt really) its just his way of controlling me.

tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:14

i know my mum will be encouraging me to tell exp. maybe i should let her tell him joke. like i said after i told exp about the holiday he said he doesnt want me to tell him stuff like that, so i could argue that he told me not to say anything, but thats just an excuse not to tell him He knows that dp stays over a lot, and if i sort of bring up a conversation that does have dp somewhere in it, he will change it immediately and start having one of his panic/nerves attack

exp is emotionally unstable, and my HV has seen him in this state, and has told me to never allow him to just be alone with dd. i remember when he saw me, dd and dp in town together and we were all just playing a Playstation2 demo in HMV and i never noticed exp stood there watching us until dp noticed him. after that exp stormed out of HMV and rang my mum up screaming at her. oh dear this isnt going to go well, although i did warn exp that i was thinking of moving to another place sometime next year so i guess im partly there

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:16

aaagh! sounds like your exp is MINE!

tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:17

lol

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:18

Only mine too clever to ever show his scary side to anyone else!

tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:22

i know it would be easier to not tell him, as it would save a lot of arguing etc, and dp will probably be out of the way anyway cos theres no way exp is going to be civil towards him. well not any time soon! but i know mum's going to keep going on about it

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tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:29

how does your exp react to you dp "staying over"?

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:37

total nightmare, STALKER. Fed up of him following dp, constantly asking anyone and everyone about me and then denying it. When i actually confront him he denies it until he realises i have positive proof he says "oh well you lie to me too"
I drive ds to and from his visits because i cant bear him to have a legitimate excuse to be anywhere near my house/street/area.
He is the first person in my whole life that i actually wished dead - OMG what a revelation - I am a really nice person who tends to see the best in everyone and am a very tolerant and understanding person. He is actually schizo, i am frightened of him but no-one apart from one aunt of mine has seen this side and he spent about a month bad mouthing her and totally making out she was lying on my behalf. At the moment he is in a good mood, and i just hope this lasts as long as possible because when he's bad he's B A D
Sorry, big long rant .................

tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:42

thats quite alright northstar. i am quite confused on what to do, as me and dp hid our relationship from him because we and my mum thought if he knew he would stop seeing dd. I know how stupid that sounds, and now that I think about it, I shouldn't have bothered because that is no excuse for him to stop seeing dd. He rarely comes to see dd now. He came 4 weeks ago (before that it was 12 weeks). He's suppose to be coming this Sunday but I havent heard from him so I dont think he is. I hate him messing me about but I dont see why I should chase after him finding out whether he's coming or not.

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:46

Universal lone parent problem i think tbh. How much shit will we put up with to forge a relationship between exp and ds/dd. It has been echoed a thousand times on the lp topic and there are a thousand answers.
I know that exp is not a particularly good influence on ds but ds loves him to bits and would miss him hugely. How does your dd react to exp's visits? Do they hug?

tammybear · 12/10/2004 13:50

dd acts the same with everyone. when exp came for the first time after 12 weeks, she kept looking at him as if she recognised him. and she would get him to play and read books with her, but she is like that with everyone. i didnt say that to exp because i didnt want to burst his bubble (but maybe i should have). I suppose I should tell him, and then just let him decide what he wants to do. But (a stupid question) do you know if PR will give him any rights to say no to dp moving in with me? Its not like dd and dp don't get on. dd loves dp, and follows him around and hugs him. hmm... oh dear, maybe she's starting to think of dp as her father. havent thought of that

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northstar · 12/10/2004 13:57

Tammybear your exp will NEVER EVER have a right to comment on your private life - let alone have any say in who you live with, or where you live.
You are making a rod for your own back if you let him influence your life in ANY WAY.
PR might entitle your exp to receive a copy of your dd's school report in the post in years to come, and entitle him to some type of visits (from 1 hr supervised upwards) based on your recommendations. He would probably legally be entitled to this anyway as her biological father. I cant stress enough to you - keep him in his place - make him earn his priviliges. If he is behaving decently then treat him accordingly, otherwise ........................

northstar · 12/10/2004 13:58

sorry if this sounds harsh but i mean well

tammybear · 12/10/2004 14:01

lol northstar, its quite alright. Im just worrying over everything because this is the one of the most important things Im going to do and want it to be right. And I can see exp trying to ruin it for me, in any way that he can.

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northstar · 12/10/2004 14:03

Yes, me too so DONT LET HIM. your life is too important to mess up. Take care, i hope you're feeling better, im very m/s today and tired so going for a nap with ds. Talk soon

tammybear · 12/10/2004 14:04

ok thanks northstar, take care xxx

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harrassedmum · 12/10/2004 22:36

Hi tammybear, glad things are going well with new relationship. All benefits will work out ok, im sure you'll end up being better off with tax credits etc, plus if he is applying for student loan you get extra money for dependents. I would tell exp if you get the chance, but its your life and you have had to move on, so tough if he doesnt like it, and if he's not careful then dd will end up thinking of dp as dad instead. But then, men like to make things as difficult as possible dont they?

tammybear · 19/10/2004 22:16

Oh dear, dp told his mum today that we're thinking of living together next year, and it didn't go well at all I mean I know he's her mum and is going to think of the negative things to think about like my mum did, but at least my mum was "happy" for me (just as long as Im 100% etc) Im suppose to be staying with him at his parents next week, so am now scared of facing his mum Stupid i know, but I don't want her to feel like Im taking him away from her (as he is her youngest and her eldest is still living at home) even though he is old enough to do what he wants. Oh dear Just a mini rant

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