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Platonic Friendships

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Whataloadofshite · 29/05/2020 06:51

NEWSFLASH

People of opposing genders are capable of platonic friendships without any funny business, it's not unusual, and it doesn't mean anyone is cheating.

Sincerely,

okay yes I'm poking the wasps nest a bit, but people are allowed to have friends without being accused of cheating.

People who are cheating whilst claiming they're just friends, are NOT the same as people who are genuinely just friends who care about one another. It's incredibly controlling to deny partners friendships just because they're a different gender.

Romantic partners are not your personal property, and checking up on someone just because they're talking to someone of an opposing gender is toxic as fuck.

If someone has form for cheating, that is different. You wouldn't be unreasonable for worrying. But, the sheer amount of OMG I AM NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS!??1!1!!! scenerios here, and other places online, is eyeroll inducing. Please stop trying to force people into archaic stereotypes where marriage and partnerships mean ownership.

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SDM2809 · 02/06/2020 10:41

It depends, every “friendship” is different. I don’t see anything wrong if as a new partner you are introduced to a friend of the opposite sex and it’s clear that it’s only friendship. However, if as a new partner you are not introduced, messages are kept secret and are not invited to meet them then I understand how suspicions would be raised. I have male friends who all hear about my partner or have met him and he is invited on nights out and part of our group now.
However I had a ex who was “friends” with someone who he wasn’t necessarily secretive about, but wouldn’t invite me on nights out and had previously slept with. I did have an issue with her and it caused arguments he then jumped into bed with the day after we split up so I’m not surprised I had an issue with her. He made me feel like I was going mental when I was upset he wouldn’t invite me with his single female friends knowing he had a past with one (it was work and apparently partners never come) when in fact my gut feeling was right. In my mind he was cruel and a horrible man for making me feel like this (I’m sure there’s a word somewhere for what he was)

So I would say it’s all dependent on the situation and the people

pinktaxi · 02/06/2020 10:48

NEWSFLASH...... now tell us something we do t already know.

JessicaDay · 02/06/2020 10:57

I thought that sexless platonic male-female friendships were normal and unremarkable in my teens and twenties. By my mid-thirties though, every single one of my male platonic friends had made a pass at me at some point, including one of twenty years standing.

Here’s the thing. Platonic love didn’t mean without sex, not originally, if you look into how Plato spoke about love. It mean not solely based on sex. So it means the type of relationship that is largely inspired by personality, virtue or interests, rather than the type where you feel only strong physical attraction.

Wondersense · 02/06/2020 11:42

@JessicaDay How are your friendships with them now?

NameChangeNugget · 02/06/2020 12:44

Great point @YRGAM and sadly very true on here

JessicaDay · 02/06/2020 12:48

@Wondersense Basically none of them are in my life any more, mostly their decision or their partner’s preference. A few of them are in a place I’d consider dormant rather than gone. If I was in my late teens again and knew what I know now, I’d probably invest less time in friendships with guys.

Couple of them took being politely declined pretty badly, so they ended the friendship immediately.

Another (the one I’d been friends with for 20 years) I did kiss, to see if there was something there for me and because mum had always thought we’d end up together (so did his). There wasn’t anything there for me unfortunately. We tried being friends for about six months afterwards, but he became quite manipulative, trying to engineer it back to romance, so I put some distance between us. I ended up moving for work not long after. I think if we had stayed in the same place we might have gone back to being friends eventually, just by bumping into one another after enough time had passed.

One was pretty clear he would like to take the next step by having a “friends with benefits” type situation. He did that very respectfully and talked to me about it. I didn’t want that. That was probably the saddest one. I’d pretty much say we were in love with one another and both knew that on some level. We had lived together for a while as flat mates, done quite a lot together in environmental activism. Most people who knew us thought we were a couple, didn’t believe we weren’t together as we were pretty inseparable. He was newly divorced and I’d had a bad break up (broken engagement), and I just don’t think either of us was ready to be open again after being hurt. Bad timing. We stayed friends for a bit but ultimately it was just a bit too painful for us both I think.

There are several were the friendship just petered out, because the ease of the friendship had gone. I noticed with a couple of those, they hung around for a bit but disappeared when I got into a serious relationship.

Another few we stayed friends for a bit, but they disappeared when they got in serious relationships.

One definitely because his girlfriend didn’t like him hanging out with women in general- she’d had two marriages break down due to infidelity. So he just couldn’t do that to her, he did she tried to be ok with things and and he could she she was in pain about it. I respect him for that a lot actually, her too actually. She did genuinely try- we socialised together and you could tell she liked me as an individual. It just brought up too much stuff for her.

One was a guy with a lot of female friends generally. He got married quite quickly and his wife was fine with his female friends. She met me once and basically I never heard from him again and he didn’t reply if I tried to contact him. Based on how he was the time we all met, I get it. She wanted to go home quite quickly, he told her to go home and he’d stay out with me. He also kept remarking on my appearance, which was something he’d never done before. He basically kept saying “damn girl you look good”.

Another just got too busy being a husband and a dad and a lot of his socialising went, then they all moved to Germany to be close to her family when she got pregnant for a second time.

And another one, his girlfriend and I got really quite friendly. I ended up falling out with him because of how he treated her when they split up! Really saw another side to him I didn’t like.

JessicaDay · 02/06/2020 12:49

And there was another one that it was pretty close to attempted rape. Just cut him out completely and warned every girl I knew well enough about him. Really don’t like to think about that one much.

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 02/06/2020 13:03

If I made friends with a man who I was completely unattracted to sexually and wanted to maintain a platonic friendship with him I'd be puzzled and disappointed if my partner had a problem with it.

If he made friends with a woman and told me he wanted to maintain a friendship with her, including texting and meeting up socially etc, I would be absolutely distraught, would overthink every possible scenario and would probably end the relationship over it.

I'm a massive hypocrite. I know 😳

cheesyrats · 02/06/2020 13:44

[quote Whataloadofshite]@cheesyrats

There's a difference between dodgy secretive behaviour, and a genuine friendship. They're nothing alike. [/quote]
Well, obviously.

But how is someone's partner to tell t'other from which?

Wondersense · 02/06/2020 16:33

I definitely haven't had as many as you but I can relate a bit. I don't want to turn good friendships away, but I'm more focused on making female friends because I don't want another friendship drifting or going stale because things got weird.

Pinkbubbles12 · 02/06/2020 17:09

Im am so sick of being judged because my best friend is male, we have been friends for 14 years.
I am married and have children, he is married and has children we all go on holidays together, nights out the lot
Yet every now and then my husband has a hissy fit about it, im very good friends with bestfriends wife and all our kids get on.

Im absolutely sick of comments not only from my husband but my mum.
Ive actually said a few weeks ago after yet another argument that he pushing me away trying to say who i can be friends with.

TodayIHaveGotThis · 02/06/2020 17:43

I have a lot of male friends and have had over the years. I can count in 3 fingers the number of them who havent declared an interest in me at one point or another.

Having a wife/girlfriend/partner made no difference to this.

Really pisses me off, tbh, because I considered them good friends until that happened.

I'm not bothered if a boyfriend has female friends but I'm not stupid either.

Whataloadofshite · 02/06/2020 19:11

@Wondersense I'm forty-three.

When I was younger, I'd been conditioned (as many of us were) to believe that opposing genders couldn't have platonic relationships, and even fell in line with it because I didn't know any better. Men called the shots and could be friends with whomever they liked (hypocritically of course), but the moment women even looked at someone of opposing gender? Major trouble, arguments, violence etc.

An ex boyfriend told me I wasn't allowed to go to a party without him, because he didn't like the idea of being in a room with other men in it, when he wasn't there. That relationship didn't last long.

I understand that it's not always possible, but the immediacy of the way people here fly from zero to cheating when someone talks to someone who's a different gender, is frightening.

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Whataloadofshite · 02/06/2020 19:20

@Casmama for me, I don't necessarily agree that if a friend knows more about me then my partner does, that it's a bad thing. Many people are partnered with people that are an excellent for them, but there (because we are are only human) might be subjects they can't broach with them for a ton of reasons. In an ideal world we'd all have the perfect partner of whom we share absolutely everything, but that's not how stuff works. We have insecurities and fears and they stop us from sharing, that doesn't mean we will never tell our partners everything, it's just friendships are different and can help you work things out until you CAN talk.

I hope they made sense. I'm kinda fried.

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Whataloadofshite · 02/06/2020 19:26

@Pinkbubbles12 god I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I get that some people can't grasp that this stuff is not only POSSIBLE, but that it's okay.

How do you handle it when hissy fits happen?

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Pinkbubbles12 · 02/06/2020 20:49

It's really difficult, to start off with i backed off from the friendship but it just made me so upset.

I habe bever ever cheated on my husband in the 20 years we have been together,ni have never been inappropriate with friend so i started to argue back about it, ive now said if he bringd it up again the im done with it all, we have done nothing wrong and i won't be treated like we have.

My mum got told to mind her own buisness at the weekend

Whataloadofshite · 02/06/2020 21:23

@Pinkbubbles12 good for you. I know this stuff is ingrained for a lot of people, but the hypocrisy on here and everywhere else, is ridiculous. Some people do recognise it and admit it's problematic and hypocritical, but that's speaks more about insecurities and the competitive side of things between opposing genders. I know that's a patriarchal doing, but we've progressed in lots of ways, and remained very backwards in others. I understand that this does come from people cheating and using the "we are just friends line", but real friends and genuine partners will be open about things if it's purely platonic.

I hope you don't have to keep battling this, I've set my own mum straight a couple of times and she didn't like it, but it's tough shit really.

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Pinkbubbles12 · 03/06/2020 08:59

It's such a shame isn't it.

I think my husbands issue is he cheated about 7 years into our relationship and i guess he saw how easy ot was too and thinks i will do it. Just ridiculous really.

Good for you for setting your mum straight too, it's hard when everyone is against it

Whataloadofshite · 04/06/2020 02:58

@pinkbubbles12 WOW. He really has zero room to talk about fidelity etc. He's lucky you chose to stick with him.

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