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Arguments - what is acceptable to say during arguments for you?

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 24/05/2020 13:08

I know its different for everyone, but just so that I have an idea of whether I'm being totally unreasonable, is it ok for your DH/DP to tell you to fuck off every time you have an argument?

It will usually start out with something small, eg yesterday he phoned me up (we don't live together) and said that he'd missed me. And that he was in a bad mood, because he'd just had to shout at his ex to fuck off because she wasn't helping him - I presume with tidying the kitchen after lunch, or helping with the DCs while he cooked etc.

I carried on with the conversation but he could tell that I was pissed off, and when he asked why, I replied that I didn't really want to hear about his ex hanging out at his house all the time, that it bothers me when I don't hear from him all day and then the first thing he talks about is his ex. It bothers me that he has her round for lunch all the time. He says of course its for the DCs, but it just seems ridiculous that she's still so involved in his life and after 8 years, I'm still on the outskirts.

FWIW this is what most of our arguments centre on.

For reference, she sees the DCs at his house every day, they rarely go to stay at hers any more. (She lives in the next street so its not a huge upheaval for his DCs to go to her house, but they just prefer it at his.) So she's there a lot.

I don't stay there anymore as I've always felt uncomfortable about the place. In the early days there were photos of them together all over the house, pics in every drawer (one of him holding her boobs in the bedside drawer) and I even found worn knickers in the bedside drawer once. Whenever I'm there she drops in, I surprised him one night by popping in on my way back from somewhere to drop something off for him, and yes, she was there at 11pm (with her BF) all having had dinner together together. There are always wine bottles there even though DP doesn't drink and her vaping stuff left there, and the house smells like her vape stuff. Its gross. Its like she still sees it as her home - in fact he talked about moving once and she objected "you can't sell the family home!"

I just feel like I don't have a place there. So anyway, when I point this out, he tells me I'm attacking him, that I need to chill out, she's not ALWAYS there, that its for the kids etc and then when I say I've had enough of hearing about her, hearing her loud annoying voice when he's on the phone, hearing about her mum, who's also always there, and that nobody else would put up with an ex being so involved in their relationship, he'll tell me to fuck off and hang up on me.

I know this isn't AIBU, which is why I'm putting it here, because I don't want a pasting, I just want to know if I deserve being told to fuck off on a regular basis because I object to his weird relationship with his ex.

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Tableclothing · 24/05/2020 13:10

Not ok by me.

This situation with his ex will never change, so you need to either make your peace with it or leave.

borntohula · 24/05/2020 13:11

I say 'fuck off' when I'm really angry. Better that they are amicable than making kids' lives difficult.

LochJessMonster · 24/05/2020 13:13

I think you’ve wasted 8 years of your life and need to not waste a day more.

8 years and you don’t feel comfortable living with him. Move on.

Baseline2815 · 24/05/2020 13:15

Your problem isn'y what he says during an argument. (It's a problem, but not the main one.) The bigger issue is that you don't want to live the life he's got going on. Fair enough. Dump him.

TheStoic · 24/05/2020 13:15

It’s not ok. If someone told me to Fuck Off, I’d give them one more chance. If they said it again, I’d absolutely fuck off and I’d stay there.

BlueBirdGreenFence · 24/05/2020 13:16

Being told to fuck off during arrguments ain't good. We would never speak like that to each other during an argument. The worst has ever been one saying to the other during an argument "You're being a dick" or similar. That aside, he has made plain he wants to and will continue to have a close relationship with his ex. Her boyfriend seems to have accepted it. So the question really is: can you? And if you can't, the only alternative seems to be you end the relationship.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 24/05/2020 13:18

You're all right I know. I've always been of the school of thought that its better to be amicable, I am with my XH, but I do have boundaries. I'm happy for the ex to come here for dinner on occasion, but I wouldn't be happy if he was here every day, and neither I suspect would DP.

I agree, I think it will always be like this, I've been waiting it out until the DCs grow up so that its not such an issue, but I think its the lack of any consideration for how I feel about things that will continue to be an issue into our future.

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roarfeckingroar · 24/05/2020 14:13

It sounds like they have a great relationship and it's good for the kids. I don't think you really fit into it and you should walk away.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 24/05/2020 17:10

Yeah I can’t help thinking you’re right. But after 8 years it’s not so easy to do. I keep wracking my brains for a way to be ok with this. What if he never speaks of her or what if I just make myself really busy so I don’t care what he’s doing when he’s not here? But it’s just a bit shit.

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ChristmasFluff · 24/05/2020 18:14

There's 'amicable' and there's 'overly- involved'. I think you know which they are, OP. She has no respect for what should be his primary relationship, and worse, he doesn't either.

The 'fuck off' thing is the least of your worries. But it does tend to imply contempt.

that, along with his lack of consideration for you, would be a deal-breaker for me. I certainly wouldn't be learning to love with it in some way! We all deserve a partner who values us and treats us accordingly. Otherwise what's the point?

dudsville · 24/05/2020 18:27

Telling anyone to fuck off isn't reasonable to me. I know this sounds boring but if you're so angry that you can't communicate effectively anymore then the conversation has to be paused until you calm down.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 24/05/2020 20:14

She has no respect for what should be his primary relationship, and worse, he doesn't either and consequently their DCs don’t either. His DD was 9 - we’d been together 5 years - and she said to him in front of me “dad, if you won the lottery you could get back together with mum”. I’m fighting a losing battle I know. But when he’s here and I’m not being in any way needy or demanding we have such a good time together. And he’s dynamite in bed My counsellor said that maybe he’s just FWB material, not husband material. I tried to readjust my thinking on that, but I don’t want a FWB.

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Shoxfordian · 24/05/2020 21:22

You're wasting your life with him

SunshineSmellsLikeSummer · 24/05/2020 21:43

If someone told me to fuck off, i would.

backseatcookers · 24/05/2020 21:58

I would fuck right off out of this relationship it sounds awful.

You're wasting your life on this man when he doesn't have the ability or desire to put you first.

Not saying he should put you before his kids, he shouldn't ever put a woman before them of course.

But that doesn't mean you have to stay with him when you're clearly unhappy.

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