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Should I leave my children with their father and move on with my life?

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AragornsManlyStubble · 15/05/2020 20:11

Please be kind if possible.

I have three children aged 12, 10 and 8. Their father and I split when the youngest was 18 months old. Since then I have been trapped. All three have additional issues of varying degrees. My ex has always worked in a field with shift work in which the shifts are never the same week by week. He does not attend any medical or educational appointments even if off from work and all decisions, planning and execution of those decisions is down to me.

For backstory, we got together when I was 18, 3 weeks after I lost my mother who I had been a carer for since I was 15 and 6 weeks since an early miscarriage from a fling. I had had a sheltered upbringing and wasn’t very independent, had never had a father or father figure. I feel he exploited that. He made me feel as though I could do nothing right and did everything around the house or with the children himself, complaining at every turn that he had to do it because I wasn’t capable, and over 5 years made me almost fully dependent on him, which he then ridiculed me for, often in front of people. He still maintains now that I’am useless and incapable of caring for the children despite them being almost solely in my care. I eventually found the strength to kick him out, got a job that I could fit mostly around the children and moved on. He continued to abuse me emotionally and mentally, and frequently used tricks to get his own way.

I went on to have another relationship (now ended) and child and still the constant digs, criticism and abuse continued. He has almost complete freedom to see the children whenever he wants to, and he makes the final decision, I have no real say on when, and we’ve never had a firm agreement because I have to work around his shifts. Any time he has accommodated, which is rare, it’s never been to the detriment of his work, so never time off if they were sick etc, I have always had to cancel my commitments. And it’s always with the air of him doing me a huge favour.

My eldest child has had similar issues with her father, has had nightmares about him, an eating disorder and was seen by Camhs due to feeling depressed and suicidal. Attempts to help her communicate her feelings to him were unsuccessful and he won’t listen to my thoughts on how he could build a stronger bond because he thinks nothing of my opinion on anything. I have made it clear that she never has to see him if it’s not what she wants and withdrew access to all three for a month last year while I got legal advice. She still likes to go because of the treats and fun trips he does.

So now to what is on my mind...

Two years ago he started seeing someone and they recently got engaged. Kids are happy, but my eldest is still struggling with him. Knowing he won’t listen if I tried to approach him I messaged his fiancée to ask her if she could talk to my daughter and find a solution with her. My daughter wanted me to listen in as support while she talked and listening to someone else parent my daughter and help her when I can’t broke my heart. Hearing her tell my daughter how much her dad loves her really, and excuses for why he acts the way he does. I didn’t recognise that person that was being described, I never met him, he doesn’t exist. The reality is cruel and selfish, manipulative and cold. Hearing how they are going to make a lovely home for the children and they will have their own rooms while I know our home here is an embarrassing mess because I never get long enough alone to really sort it.

I’m trying to be the grown up and not let my selfish feelings get in the way of what is best for my children but the idea that I’m not the only mother in their lives now is killing me. It’s not the fiancee’s fault, she’s doing the right thing by my children and I’m grateful but she doesn’t know what he did to me, how he really can be. The children came back from seeing them today with an anecdote where she described them as ‘my children’. I want to scream that they’re not, they are mine. But I can’t, because she is in their life now.

My whole life has been on hold to look after his children until he decides to pick them back up again, and the one dream opportunity to get on a career path I’ve always wanted I had to turn down because he refused to juggle his work in order to pick the children up from school one day a week. I have to watch him change job, go on holiday, go out with his fiancée, have a whole life while my world has been shrunk to just my house and the children and their issues.

I cannot go through life watching them be happy families, parenting my children when they choose, acting like I’m useless and worthless, judging me constantly before leaving me a dried up husk when they finally charm away my children to their perfect home, leaving me with the mess of a thousand memories. I’am terrified that his aim is to get them to want to live with them and think maybe it would easier if I just finally stopped fighting him, stopped being angry and accepted that Karma won’t get him, nothing’s going to turn around and bite him in the arse. Maybe I should let them go to him and let him be trapped alone dealing with every issue with no support and go and make a life for myself while I still have the will to. I’m angry every day.

This sounds so self pitying and selfish and it’s not meant to. I’m keeping everything inside so no one knows. I’m trying to find things I can do now that I can enjoy and get a sense of purpose from, and making plans for when they get older but there’s no end in sight. I’am just so worn down. I know I can’t really leave them with him and run but why do I need front row seats to his manipulation of them?

OP posts:
AragornsManlyStubble · 17/05/2020 21:12

My son has Down Syndrome and twice in the last year his dad has lost him in the same place and needed to involve security. He has lost him other times too. Both my daughters voiced concerns over his ability to watch their brother safely and they witnessed both incidents. Add that to my eldest needing CAMHS intervention and my younger daughter stating she only meltdowns with me because her dad doesn’t handle it right, then yes, I feel that they’re physically, mentally or emotionally safe. The legal advice I took though said it wasn’t enough for me to withdraw contact completely.

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AragornsManlyStubble · 17/05/2020 21:14

The bar’s low because of the past. I never got support then so I don’t expect it now. I want it and I need it, but it just won’t happen. I can’t force them to be more involved, I’ve just got to do what I can so the children know I always tried every day so they had some kind of relationship with their fathers.

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AragornsManlyStubble · 17/05/2020 21:21

DS also had major surgery earlier this year which the sole responsibility for came down to me. His dad did the last three days/nights in hospital with him so he could splash his excellent parenting of his ‘poor little man’ all over FB, then left me to it through a 4 week recovery which saw his son back at two different hospitals 5 days out of the first 7 home, one of which was Great Ormond Street Hospital. He then told me I was neglecting him because I wasn’t doing something they had done in hospital, which the nurses had told me not to do myself. He’d seen them do it and assumed I didn’t know what I was doing. He only did the essential part of my son’s care for the first time two weeks ago. I’ve done it every day for 5 months.

He will never never know what it is to really really need support.

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IdblowJonSnow · 17/05/2020 21:30

OP it sounds very tough for you atm. You are doing an amazing job with your 4 kids. I dont know how you do it.
Please get some advice and support if you possibly can. Hopefully life will get easier as your kids get a little older. If I read your original post correctly you're still fairly young and will have plenty of time to retrain/study whatever you want.
But you must stop taking the emotional abuse from your ex. He sounds absolutely awful.
Flowers

LannieDuck · 17/05/2020 21:45

I agree with you, it doesn't sound as if he keeps them safe :(

If your recent Ex looks after your son well in the 1-2 hours/week, maybe focus on getting him to up his time? Would he try taking your son for 1/2 a day? Once he's done 1/2 a day, doing a whole day isn't that different...

TheABC · 17/05/2020 21:49

I say it with the kindest of intentions, OP but you really fucked yourself over with your choice of men.

I second the Freedom Programme (online), if only to get your head straight and give your emotions the support they need.

Next, assume you will get no respite from either father for the next 5 years. By that point, your youngest will be eight and able to remember basic safety measures. Your eldest will be 17 and looking at colleges (which are different beasts to secondary schools and a lot of HE kids thrive in them). In the meantime, build your support network and think about alternate care to give you a break. For example, the youngest will be eligible for free hours once the sodding virus is beaten back. And you can call on college students to watch/teach your eldest as she moves into more challenging subjects.

Above all, take heart. Your life and career are NOT on hold. At a guess, I would put you at early thirties? That gives you another 50 years to achieve your dreams, travel the world (if you want to). After bringing up four kids on your own, DURING A PANDEMIC, you can do absolutely anything you desire.

Huge respect, OP. Protect your heart and get your head straight. You've got this.

Saz9 · 09/07/2023 23:02

Hey

I'm wondering how you are ?

I've just read your story and I'm feeling the same tonight, similar but different circumstances.

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