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He's so 'wrong' he lied about being abused as a child

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NoMoreDickheads · 15/05/2020 11:04

I realized yesterday that not only did my ex lie about being terminally ill, it's likely he also lied about being abused as a child.

I would never think that victims of abuse lie about it, but I think this narc did. He lied about a lot of things, so nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted.

What he described sounded more like a fantasy, and also that it was to confirm certain beliefs he had about children.

I will go into more detail if people feel I should.

Of course he probably lied both for his amusement and also to manipulate me by pretending we were close and he'd shared one of his deepest secrets with me.

He acted as if my response of trying to empathize etc wasn't right, making me feel like a failure as I didn't comfort him supposedly. This would've made me even more determined to do what I could to make him happy, thus manipulating me yet again into doing what he wanted.

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Greysparkles · 15/05/2020 11:08

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. You'll never know and you shouldn't care. He's an ex

NoMoreDickheads · 15/05/2020 11:12

@Greysparkles I think he did. The details were 'salacious' as if it was a perverted erotica to him. It helps me if I see the extent of what he was like. IDK if this particular detail will help, but realizing his lies helps me try and avoid these types in future. Hopefully I'll never meet, or at least be intimately involved, with one as wrong as him though.

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MyHappinessProjectx · 15/05/2020 11:13

God, what a headfuck.

If he wasn't abused then he was still extremely damaged from some other type of abuse to make it up.

If he wasn't sexually abused perhaps he was emotionally neglected. Childhood emotional neglect can leave BIG SCARS on people, they can be vulnerable narcissists voracious for admiration, only wasting friendship on people who can validate them, kissing up, kicking down, or they can go the other way and be co-dependent people pleasers. I fell in to the latter camp.

Never made up a lie on that scale but when I was younger I fibbed a bit.

I agree with @greysparkles though, he's an X. Luckily you don't need to figure this out. Luckily you no longer need a reaction that he deems correct.

He cast you as a monkey in his circus though, and you didn't know, I'm not surprised you are discombobulated by the discovery.

Digest it. It was weird. Let yourself think about it for a couple of days. You have to re-order you index cards in your memory....

Then change the mantra to ''close shave, thankfully none of this is my problem''.

Vellum · 15/05/2020 11:14

You may well be right, but does it matter now that you're no longer with him? If you know for a fact that he lied about being terminally ill (was this when you were actually in a relationship with him???), then he clearly has a track record of seeking sympathy for dreadful things he has imagined, whether out of pure calculatedness, or perhaps more likely out of a deep sense of unworthiness. He's not capable of being loved for his own sake, so he has to get people to pity him by faking.

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 15/05/2020 11:14

I think it's a bit flippant to say you shouldn't care as he's an ex. Hmm
I had a really manipulative ex who messed with my head for years. Eventually I ended up seeing a counsellor about something I thought was totally unrelated but it all came out. Could you consider talking to someone to help you get over it?

Sn0tnose · 15/05/2020 11:15

I don’t think it’s healthy for you to be giving him any more room in your head.

MyHappinessProjectx · 15/05/2020 11:15

That's an even weirder level @NoMoreDickheads, that it was like erotica to him, and he made you be the ear while he spoke it out loud.

That was a violation and no mistake. I'm sure you are angry. I think you have a right to be.

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BrevilleTron · 15/05/2020 11:16

His name didn't begin with G did it?

MyHappinessProjectx · 15/05/2020 11:19

@sn0tnose, that would be true if the op had found out a year ago but actually, it's very healthy to be able to recognise that a boundary was disrespected. To be made the audience in somebody else's erotica bullshit is not a small thing. That needs to be processed.

OP, i had a shock once, something weird I discovered about an x, and I thought about it obsessively for 72 hours and then less and less and less until when I think of him now as I type this, I can hardly be bothered to roll my eyes.

noyoucannotcomein · 15/05/2020 11:25

Is this the guy who was married and was your therapist, and you were going to send his wife the letter detailing all his other affairs? Or another of your married men? Or another ex altogether?

Because if it's the first, or even the second, I don't see why you're so shocked.

slipperywhensparticus · 15/05/2020 11:28

It's a mind trip to realise someone would lie about something so serious my ex lied about possibly having cancer I was due to be in another town to have my car theory test I was expecting him to say something to try and stop me so I had my its YOUR day sort your own childcare response out ready (he said it to me before but lets me down a lot on "his time" iyswim) I tell him I'm not going to be home on that day so make sure he isnt late I cant cover him etc etc he said I've found a lump they are testing me for cancer I dont know when it could be anytime I tell him your day your responsibility get your mom to collect them then spent days freaking out thinking I'm the worst person ever what if he was dying turns out he lied nearly cost me my theory because I was so wound up

NoMoreDickheads · 15/05/2020 12:13

@MyHappinessProjectx I know what you mean, I'm a people pleaser too. His home life was unpleasant but he is an overt narcissist. I don't have any sympathy for him due to how he acts, and I don't feel the need to have any.

If you know for a fact that he lied about being terminally ill (was this when you were actually in a relationship with him???)

He lied to me that doctors had told him he only had a few years to live. My best friend has the same condition, so I know doctors would never tell someone with that condition that, as they can all live for an indefinite amount of time. I didn't realize until after we split that this was bollox, but due to my detailed knowledge of the condition I should've known. I suppose you just never expect someone to lie about something like that, so if you don't realize what they're like it wouldn't enter your mind.

whether out of pure calculatedness, or -- perhaps more likely - out of a deep sense of unworthiness

Whether it was due to unworthiness or not, it was still calculated. He deliberately came out of it to get a response/aid in manipulation.

Could you consider talking to someone to help you get over it?

@GiveMyHeadPeaceffs I see a psychologist for other stuff, but at the moment I don't have a problem/am not concerned with my emotional process about him. It's only been a few months since I blocked him, and I have a lot to learn from what happened. We stigmatize anger in this society, especially in women, but all my emotions about what he did are completely natural and I find them manageable. Obviously if I was consumed by it and it negatively effected the rest of my life I'd feel the need to seek help about it. But yes, I do have someone to talk to about it if necessary.

I don’t think it’s healthy for you to be giving him any more room in your head

@Sn0tnose It's natural and healthy after such an experience to process it, especially as it'll help me develop better boundaries/trust in my 'spider sense' etc in future.

@BrevilleTron No, but unfortunately he's not the only pathological liar/narc. Sad Angry Sorry if youu had the misfortune to meet one.

and then less and less and less until when I think of him now as I type this, I can hardly be bothered to roll my eyes

HappinessProject Yes, I don't think of it obsessively, it's just one of many activities and doesn't take up much of my time. You're right about the eye-rolling, it's just like a soap opera really (though a sick one) and eventually loses impact.

^Is this the guy who was married and was your therapist, and you were going to send his wife the letter detailing all his other affairs?Because if it's the first, or even the second, I don't see why you're so shocked.*

He wasn't my therapist, he just happened to be a therapist, not that that makes it much better, I know it's probably gormless but I didn't realize he'd told me a pack of lies, I thought he was a friend. He said he had sexless marriage (which I think was a lie- a lot of blokes seem to use that one, it's the modern ' my wife doesn't understand me.') He said it was only after ten years of his marriage being sexless that he began to seek a sex life of any kind for himself. He made it sound like he had been a hero for putting up with the lack of sex for so long. He said he only didn't tell his wife what he was upto so as not to hurt her feelings.

I'm shocked as I find out/realize more stuff about him- I had no idea, although people around me did. I think his wife has a right to know and I'm not alone in thinking that. She could have another 20 or 30 years to do something else with her life, if she chooses to.

Slippery- How deranged they are. Well done for seeing through it and calling his bluff. Glad you past your test despite him. xxx

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Sn0tnose · 15/05/2020 12:27

@sn0tnose, that would be true if the op had found out a year ago but actually, it's very healthy to be able to recognise that a boundary was disrespected

@Sn0tnose It's natural and healthy after such an experience to process it, especially as it'll help me develop better boundaries/trust in my 'spider sense' etc in future.

And ordinarily I’d completely agree. However, having read previous posts about this ‘relationship’, there is nothing healthy about this situation.

noyoucannotcomein · 15/05/2020 14:39

I think his wife has a right to know and I'm not alone in thinking that.

You just didn't think so while you were sleeping with him, or the other women's partners/husbands?

Concentrate on your own morals. He is what he is and it's nothing to do with you anymore .

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