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I feel stuck

22 replies

Frazzledcat · 22/04/2020 20:53

I have name changed due to the fact that some of this may be outing. I read this board frequently in hope of coming across something that will help but feel I now need to post. I hope that someone can offer some advice from an outside view. I have been with my husband for 19 years, two children. I have recently re-trained as a midwife. For a long time I have felt smothered by him. He is very loving, always says everything he does is to make me happy. He is kind and really will do anything for me, except be honest. He has never really socialised with friends, only ever me and my friends. I have a wide circle of friends and am very sociable. He texts me very frequently, telling me he loves me, if I don't reply then sometimes he will text again 30 mins later saying the same thing, he misses me, I'm his world etc If I go out it's the same. He will message to see how it's going, will offer to pick me up no matter where I am or what time it is or will be awake when I get in. He will constantly try and kiss me when we are at home. If I'm busy getting on with something he is there in front of me wanting a kiss. I can often feel him watching me often from across the room. If I look up he will just say something like you are so beautiful. All this seems very caring, but I feel it's more about control. From the outside, everyone thinks he is wonderful, he's helpful and friendly to anyone. In our younger years together he had a stint in rehab due to cocaine use. At the time all this happened we split up. It was not a world I was used to. We later reconciled and went onto have our 2nd child, me believing he would not go down the same road. On and off over the years there have been periods where he has sneakily done it. I would find evidence. He mostly denied it or sometimes would admit it and say it was a one off. Recently it came to light that over the last couple of years he has been doing it more frequently behind my back. And had run up debt it doing so. I have been suspicious and questioned him over the period but he would always deny it. His excuse for doing it was he was unhappy because I am always tired/busy studying the last few years and turning his advances down so he feels unwanted. But he realises now it's not the life he wants and he has stopped and wants us to be happy. There is also an issue with sex, quite honestly I just don't feel like it and haven't for a long long time. For years he has asked for it daily. If I say no, he will text and ask for it. Then he will try and bargain and offer to do something practical for me if I just do it quickly. A lot of the time I've just done it for an easy life. I know it can't be nice for him if I continue to turn him down and I feel guilty that I don't feel that way towards him. I question if it's me and I'm being selfish by rejecting his advances when he cares for me and has supported me with my change in career, which hasn't been easy for him. Should I be happy? If not, I just can't see how to change the life I am living. The house, business, children, everything that goes with it. He appears to love me more than anything and I fear the fallout if we were to split. I know he would not leave me alone easily. I just don't know what the answer is.

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bigchris · 22/04/2020 20:58

Oh honestly you'd be so much happier without him

bigchris · 22/04/2020 20:58

I'd see the new career as a new start and ask for a divorce

NoMoreDickheads · 22/04/2020 21:07

He's controlling and sexually coercive. You don't need him. xxxxx

RandomMess · 22/04/2020 21:10

It's ready over Thanks

RainMustFall · 22/04/2020 21:15

I can see how hard it is to leave if the man was thought by everyone to be lovely but he's not lovely is he - it sounds like you're not allowed a life outside the marriage and he's a sex pest.

No, you shouldn't be happy in your relationship it's claustrophobic and I would agree with bigchris. I have no doubt that he will not make it easy but that shouldn't stop you. Do you still have children at home as that complicates things more?

Take it one step at a time. See if you can get financial info together and I don't know if free half hours with a solicitor are still available but I would see one nevertheless.

Is there anyone you can talk to in your life about this? I think you will find that an enormous help.

Good luck.

Frazzledcat · 22/04/2020 21:57

Thank you all for the replies.

Yes we still have children at home. One is school age.

I just find it so hard because like I say a lot of the time he is kind and life ticks a long smoothly in a family sense. But you are right, I always feel claustrophobic. I think he honestly believes he loves me and does no wrong which almost makes it harder. If he was being an absolute arsehole I feel like I'd have more of an excuse.

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Frazzledcat · 25/04/2020 00:13

Just bumping up in case anyone else has had a similar experience?

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LiteraryType · 25/04/2020 07:29

The drug problem aside (that's a whole other issue) I think you need to think about what you want - the whole package including the practical things like home etc - and, If appropriate, have a go at making it work. You say it can't be nice for him and I think you are right. It sounds like he is trying to be affectionate and is getting knocked back. Men are simple creatures and a bit of affection/sex goes a long way. It is harder for us as we need emotion but any sex counsellor will say that you can fake it till you feel it and at this time of extra time perhaps you could try and improve the relationship with intimacy. I've felt uninterested at times but once I get into it I enjoy it. If nothing else, reading these posts tells me there's no Prince out there. You might leave this guy and end up with a whole load of new problems. Think about the alternatives.

He probably needs help for his drug problem at a later date though.

category12 · 25/04/2020 07:40

Well, a miracle isn't going to happen. He is as he is, and he doesn't change.

I think you should start looking properly at the practical options for splitting. I think if you had an idea of how it could work, it would help you decide.

That way if you decide to stay, it's out of choice, not fear.

category12 · 25/04/2020 07:50

Oh, and just to say, I'm horrified by the way he behaves around sex - bargaining for it and asking for you to do it if I just do it quickly . What sort of man wants to have sex with you knowing you're not into it and want it to be over ?! It's horrible, op. It's not normal.

SJaneS48 · 25/04/2020 08:01

OP, this isn’t a stage show and you’re not going to get a chance to live your life again & make different choices. Splitting up from someone when you have kids and work is loaded with so many complications (and after you’ve done it, really perfectly normal to have times when you miss being part of a unit & think you’ve done something incredibly stupid) - but quite clearly you are really not happy and fell out of love with DH some time ago. Mentally put aside all the practical convenience of living with someone, when you look back at your life when you are 70, is your current situation really what you’d want for yourself?

Treesinthewind · 25/04/2020 08:12

I’m so sorry you’re experiencing this. I’ve experienced the sexual coercion and pressure around it, and I don’t think I realised how abusive it was until I left. I can’t say things have always been easy since we split, but the freedom of knowing I never have to have sex when I don’t want to feels absolutely amazing and I am grateful for it every single day.

Ignore any posts on here that victim blame and suggest his issues are ones you should be fixing. His addictions are not your responsibility. I highly recommend reading Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood.

Frazzledcat · 25/04/2020 14:18

A little bit of affection goes a long way. I get this and I'm not always turning his affection away. By nature I am an affectionate person myself. It's just very tiresome when it's constant. After 19 years you would think we could go about our day without the constant contact.

I think it's one thing feeling uninterested and getting into it. It's another thing when you feel shameful afterwards because it feels wrong.

when you look back at your life when you are 70
When you put it like that, no it's not what I would want and I fear I would regret never knowing if I would have been better off breaking free.

I highly recommend reading Women Who Love Too Much by Robin Norwood.* Thank you, I will have a look at this.

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BackseatCookers · 25/04/2020 15:18

@literarytype

There is also an issue with sex, quite honestly I just don't feel like it and haven't for a long long time. For years he has asked for it daily. If I say no, he will text and ask for it. Then he will try and bargain and offer to do something practical for me if I just do it quickly. A lot of the time I've just done it for an easy life.

Yes it's not nice being rejected but do you think it's normal and acceptable for him to ask his wife to just have sex quickly even though he knows she won't enjoy it or want to do it? Offering her things in return, knowing she doesn't want to?

Surely you can't think that's what a good person would do?

Aerial2020 · 25/04/2020 15:46

Blimey.
This is abusive behaviour. The smothering texts and picking you up (he's checking up on you) , the drugs (!) The corceive sex.
Awful.
And where are your needs and what you want???
You must be completely drained
.sounds exhausting
Think about what YOU want. Forgwr him for a second
Look at what you want for your life.

Aerial2020 · 25/04/2020 15:47

Sorry typo forget him for a second

Aerial2020 · 25/04/2020 15:51

@LiteraryType
Get help for drugs at a later date but fake it til you feel it for the sex??
Hmm
Yes poor man. All he wants is some affection. Never mind how abusive he's being, as long as he gets his sex.
What a ridiculous thing to write.

LiteraryType · 25/04/2020 16:08

@Ariel2020

I'm just acknowledging that he has needs too and that sex therapy would say to participate if you don't feel like it and see if the feelings come. It's not fair to anyone to deprive them of a sexual relationship with their partner without working out why and what would improve things. Frazzledcat has children with this man. She writes: I know it can't be nice for him if I continue to turn him down and I feel guilty that I don't feel that way towards him. I question if it's me and I'm being selfish by rejecting his advances when he cares for me and has supported me with my change in career, which hasn't been easy for him. Should I be happy? If not, I just can't see how to change the life I am living. The house, business, children, everything that goes with it. He appears to love me more than anything and I fear the fallout if we were to split. I know he would not leave me alone easily. I just don't know what the answer is. and I am suggesting she tries to improve things before ending it but that may be what she decides to do. She has an opportunity now were locked down.

Aerial2020 · 25/04/2020 16:24

@Literarytype
It is an abusive relationship so what you have quoted from the OP is actually her response from years of him making her feel his needs come first and she does not fulfill him enough. It is pure manipulation and if you have enough years of it, you begin to believe it.
What the OP wrote it is clear it is corceive sex, which is abuse.
What about the kind of sex life the OP would like? What about her needs.
It is not fair to deprive him??? He is smothering her & controlling her. She does not have to do anything she doesn't want to because he wants it.
Get out OP. This will get worse. Look at how he is treating you.

Aerial2020 · 25/04/2020 16:30

He is in debt from drug use d he is blaming you.
He is taking no responsibility.
This will get worse. Everything will be your fault. You could give in and have sex with him all damn day(please don't give in to him) and he will find something else to be your fault.
Looks at what you've got. Great kids, a great future with your new career.
He will drag you down. You will be OK without him. This is not love, it is control.
Please think of yourself

Frazzledcat · 25/04/2020 23:13

Thank you everyone for the replies. It really helps. I felt quite emotional to read that you all point out it's a form of abuse and in moments of clarity, I can see this. Other times I feel so anxious about turning his world upside down if I am to end it, he honestly does not see any wrong in his behaviour. His world seems to revolve around me.

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justilou1 · 25/04/2020 23:30

OMG - I keep seeing him wearing a 70’s t-shirt with “Love is the Drug” in psychedelic lettering and a hideous pornstar moustache. Addicts replace one addiction with another if they haven’t dealt with the reason for their addiction issues. He needs his own life. You can’t be his sole reason for living. It’s too much responsibility. No wonder you’re feeling claustrophobic. You’ve finished with the kids hanging off you stage of life (bet he was jealous of them then, too) and now he’s like a bloody baby marsupial - ick! At the very least, he should be encouraged to take up cycling!!!

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