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Decision time, what's going to do the least amount of damage to DC?

57 replies

mmmmmmmmno · 21/04/2020 10:05

Apologies in advance as this is likely to be long and rambling...

Background- Married 7 years, together 10, 2 DC 5 and 7 yrs plus my 2 DC from exDH 11 and 13.

We have had a difficult relationship from the outset, I was head over heels in love with DH at the start, we knew each other from 10 years before we got together when we used to go to the same nightclub as teenagers.

When I was 16 I had my first serious boyfriend, he was abusive and violent but I was obsessed with him. He dumped me when he went to Uni, I had other relationships but this boyfriend would always come back into my life and I would fall fr I'm all over again, I thought he was my soulmate. I married exDH at 21 through fear of being left on the shelf (my sister had married the previous year and when I met exDH I had just been dumped). We had 2 DC together but I found him annoying. He was very passive aggressive and had a short temper, he shoved me a couple of times, once when I was pregnant as I turned the TV off when he was watching football. Anyway, I ended our marriage as the horrible first boyfriend came back on the scene and I fell for him all over again (not something I am proud of. this was 11 years ago. We were together just over a year, he was violent, sometimes in front of my DC. What I didn't realise was I was being groomed by him. I can't actually remember how found out the truth but he told me, probably to get in first before the police did it fr him. He had a criminal record and was on the sex offenders register for downloading and distributing child pornography, I finally got the courage to really end it and he attempted to strangle me, I got him off and left. I told a good friend who told my parents just to make sure there was no going back. He also left me over £13,000 in debt as I took out loans and credit cards in my name and give him the cash! Writing this all down for the first time makes it seem like some cray story, and not actually my life.

Anyway, a week later I bumped into DH in a bar, we remembered each other from 10 years before and got chatting. He was gorgeous and there was an instant attraction. I had vowed to be single for at least a year given everything I had put my children and myself through but he was different. We swapped numbers and things went from there. DH met the DC after about 2 months, he was great with them initially, bt then things started to change. I remember he was at my house one day and I had just changed DS1 nappy, he was only about 20 months old, I rolled it up and stuck it down and left it in the garden next o the full bin, DH came in and started having a go at me for being disgusting. Following this he slowly started trying to stamp his authority on how I parented my DC, lots of the time he probably had a point, I was too relaxed with them. A few key things I remember are him making them go to bed at 6pm instead of 7, him instigating us moving into a flat from my rented house as he didn't like the neighbours and he felt like it was just my home, him causing all sorts of issues between me and exDH, controlling when he could phone to speak to the DC, him picking on DS1. I have lost count of the amount of times I have ended our relationship but something always pulls me back. DH's dad passed away suddenly 8 years ago, I was like a rock to him and his mum, this seemed to soften DH for a while, I fell pregnant with DS2 and DH proposed to me. We married shortly after DS2 was born, I thought it may be a mistake and even cried on my hen do but went through with it because it was easier and I loved DH. I then fell pregnant with DD2 who is now 5. Things have always been bumpy but I have always tried accept my proportion of the blame, I think I am damaged by my past and project this onto DH. My 2 DH say they hate DH, even DS2 who is DH son regularly tells me he doesn't like daddy. DH had a very strict upbringing, he has carried this on in his style of parenting. He talks to all of us with this derogatory tone of voice if we have done something he doesn't agree with. When things are going his way he is pleasant and can be fun. Most of the time it's like living with the fun police.

We brought our house about 3 years ago, we have completely renovated it. DH has done most of the work as he has the strength and the skills required, I do not. He has made me help even when he hasn't really needed me to, leaving the DC bored and mischievous. I took them out once when my dad came to help DH with the work and everytime we fall out DH delights in telling me how I have done nothing to help around the house and how I just swanned off and left him to do everything. I have one lots of the work, plus all of the caring of he children and looking after the day to day running of the house, cleaning, cooking washing etc.

DH used to tell me I was lay when I was on maternity leave, I was often told I just sat on my arse all day. I now work full time.

Sorry this has indeed been long and rambling, to get t the point, on Sunday I told DH I have had enough, he was telling me all I care about is myself and I do what I want when I want, I told him what I really want is a divorce. He told me that I need to tell the kids, I said no, its between us, he went and told all of the kids to come out as mummy has something to tell them, I tried to save the situation and said we were going for our daily exercise, DH told them mummy needs to stop lying, that's mummy's problem, she lies. I took the DC and went out without him. We have barely spoken since.

What is the best outcome for the DC?
Is it best to stay with Dh in our home with the financial security that brings? DD2 loves daddy and would be devastated. DS2 loves him too but hates the was he is impatient and doesn't allow them to voice their views or have their say.
Or do I walk away, risk loosing our home and take DC 3&4 away from their father but give DC1&2 the relaxed life they deserve?

OP posts:
Ohohohwhereyougoing · 22/04/2020 12:39

The damage has already been done with everything they've already been through and witnessed.

Get out and focus on your children. I am truly sorry for the trauma you've been through but clearly you make really shit choices and the children have not been prioritised. My mother was just like you, please get some therapy and learn how to be alone.
Your kids deserve their mother pouring everything she has left of their childhood in rectifying this.

Techway · 22/04/2020 13:08

Being in your 30s is a good thing as you could get a long mortgage and still lots of time to rebuild.

Does your H have a pension? That could offset equity. Did you go through any finances when you did a trial separation?

I think you need to learn about abuse, Lundys book and Patricia Evan's will be a good start. There are also useful videos on youtube. Consider narcissism traits, the cycle is idealise, devalue and discard. Each cycle gets shorter.

Do you have any family support?

category12 · 22/04/2020 13:30

You have to be careful your dc's inheritance isn't mental health issues and feeling they never came first.

WafflesandPancakess · 22/04/2020 13:38

Sorry but it sounds like you have always put men first and failed your children in many ways. My Mum did that and I’ve never gotten over it.

I understand you’ve had a hard time but please do the right thing, leave and stay single.

unicornsarereal72 · 22/04/2020 14:13

@mmmmmmmmno I see this has moved on. Get things in order. Look at turn2us site for benefit Information. UC take 5 weeks to come through but they can give an advanced payment at the start. I don't get a lot. But they cover 85% of my child care and that really helps. Cms for money. Solicitors advice ref separating. Getting all the information you can and make steps to move yourself forward. It might not be in the next few months but start making a plan.

2 bed place sounds fab. Few more years and your older ones will be thinking about leaving home. You can make it work.

He sound very similar to my ex. Who is ex Forces. Everything was shouted and had to be done there and then. No allowance for them just being kids. His way or no way. And yes there were some great times. He would do the camping. And sand castles and bbq. But it came at a price. It is only now I see how the children are when he is around that I know him leaving was a blessing. I don't have a lot financially. But we are happy and have a happy home the kids feel safe in. I have tried a bit of dating But it's not for me. I want to enjoy the children. They will be off doing their own thing soon enough.

Be brave and imagine how great it will feel to be carefree at home and not have him hanging over you.

mmmmmmmmno · 22/04/2020 15:40

Thank you @unicornsarereal72 your post gives me hope.

This is probably a silly question but I don’t feel like I have written that much about DH, what is it that is so bad that you are all unanimously saying the kids will be less affected if we leave rather than stay?

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LiddyJim · 22/04/2020 15:45

I have just read your post and I am surprised but also sad you ask that question. He is bullying your children and he won’t be able to bully them anymore when he isn’t around them. You cannot sacrifice the happiness of the DC1&2 for the sake of 3&4. They will still have a dad they can see but no one has to live in such a horrible household atmosphere. If you are going to choose which children to put first then that is very wrong in itself

WafflesandPancakess · 22/04/2020 15:48

what is it that is so bad that you are all unanimously saying the kids will be less affected if we leave rather than stay?

Because you said your kids hate him? Confused

WafflesandPancakess · 22/04/2020 15:49

I also think you need to get some counselling if you need to ask that question.

unicornsarereal72 · 22/04/2020 16:15

You know that feeling you get in your stomach when you are worried or anxious or get shouted at. Growing up feeling like that even once a day isn't ok. It's like the shit and tea analogy. Even if there is a tiny bit of shit in your tea. You wouldn't drink it.

I use to think it was ok because I managed the situation always on high alert for his mood. Or what the children might. Do and how he would react. I made it ok. But actually it wasn't. The children are much more relaxed. Contend and happy now in a stress free home. Although I do get shouty it is in a normal way rather than at nearly everything.

mmmmmmmmno · 22/04/2020 16:24

Yep, I’ve got to do it.

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mmmmmmmmno · 22/04/2020 16:25

It’s so hard when you are in it, I feel like I can’t see or think properly. It’s all become normal. Then I read some posts on here and I think shit, he’s not that bad, maybe I am overreacting. But... then you all help me to see things for what they really are.

Thank you

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unicornsarereal72 · 22/04/2020 17:19

You get desensitised to it and it is your normal.

Apple1029 · 22/04/2020 18:04

OP take it from some one who’s been there - you really need to start taking responsibility for your own shit and stop drifting.

x1000

your poor kids especially your older ones have been through this twice. And partly due to your bad choices.
Your focus needs to be on getting out of this toxic environment, whether renting or not. And it needs to be sooner rather than dithering about waiting to buy a place.

mmmmmmmmno · 23/04/2020 07:05

Last night DD1 was in our bedroom on her phone, the older DC chill in our bedroom once the younger ones go to bed as they share rooms. I usually take their phones 1 hour before they go to bed but last night I was watching a film and forgot. DH said to me just before we all went to bed “Intake it DD1 still has her phone?” I said yes but she isn’t on it, she is watching tv. I knew she was half on it and half watching tv but this was 10 mins before bed so thought crap I forgot, no point now. Anyway, DH went into our room and told DD she shouldn’t me on her phone, DD responded saying I knew she was on it, then DH told her off for having attitude. I went into bedroom and DH told me I needed to go and say something to DD about her attitude and being rude to him, I refused and he was getting all arsey with me, I went to see dd and asked her what had happened, she explained it her way and I went to bed. This morning DH has got up and on his way out the door to work he said he doesn’t want anyone in our room tonight, he is not being spoken to rudely by anyone.

DD1 is 13, she does getting stroppy sometimes, she can’t help having hormones. Now this evening is going to be unbearable. I’m so tired of shielding DC from him.

OP posts:
mmmmmmmmno · 23/04/2020 09:15

What do you make of these? Do you think he actually believes he is the victim?

Decision time, what's going to do the least amount of damage to DC?
Decision time, what's going to do the least amount of damage to DC?
OP posts:
LiddyJim · 23/04/2020 09:20

He is just deflecting his behaviour back on to you. And it’s working as you believe it

LiddyJim · 23/04/2020 09:21

I would stop talking to him about your feelings as he doesn’t care about them only his own

Techway · 23/04/2020 09:37

In this case your daughter broke the rules re her phone so he spoke to her. Was he aggressive with her?
I can relate to him not wanting the bedroom being used though.

Being a step parent is very difficult and very few people cope well with it, especially when the children become teens. I think it is why so many 2nd marriages fail.

Upshot is you are not happy around him and you don't feel comfortable. This will impact how you are parenting your children.

category12 · 23/04/2020 10:11

It's interesting that you lied to avoid confrontation with him, (and accidentally threw her under the bus). Are you afraid of him?

mmmmmmmmno · 23/04/2020 10:30

@Techway no he was not aggressive with her. He can't cope with being wrong, so when she said I had said it was ok (meaning I had been in and seen she was on her phone) he snapped at her and told her off for her attitude. She probably did roll her eyes at him or huff at him when she said I knew. He thinks the kids are arguing back or being rude often when he thinks they have done something and they are trying to tell him they haven't.

@category12 I'm not afraid of him being physical, I just can't stand the atmosphere he creates. On this occasion I lied because I had been up and down sorting kids out whilst attempting to watch a film and I was being lay in not wanting to get up again. Also, I know DD1 is upset so I just wanted to cut her a bit of slack.

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GrumpyHoonMain · 23/04/2020 10:34

I don’t mean any offence here but it clearly seems like your instinct to choose men / relationships is broken. Divorce your DH, take your DC away, and focus on getting counselling for you and your DC. You need time to understand and get to know yourself and why you gravitate towards abusive men before going into a relationship now.

EvilHerbivore · 23/04/2020 10:50

Please look at (online at the moment) freedom programme courses near you

mmmmmmmmno · 23/04/2020 10:55

@GrumpyHoonMain I don't know what to think anymore. After reading some of the responses I think DH may have a point. Maybe it is my fault for not standing up for him with DC, for not being firm enough with them. I just think they are only kids once, I know I have made some shit choices but I love my DC and I just want them to be happy and grow up content well rounded people.

DS1 has a very short temper, he speaks to me so rudely and shouts at me a lot. He reminds me so much of his dad.

I think the relationship between DH and DC 1&2 is broken. There is no respect there either way and I am stuck trying to manage everyones emotions. @Techway I can see being a step parent is hard, he has been in their lives since they were 1 and 3 though. Maybe we need some form of family counselling.

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category12 · 23/04/2020 12:30

You should put the kids first, not your relationship.

It seems like you go along with his rules for the kids even though you disagree (why does he get the deciding vote on parenting?) and then you give leeway to the kids behind his back, lie to him and then your dc are thrown under the bus - they're getting confused messages and you don't have the balls to stick up for them.