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Partner's Emotional Affair - What to do?

26 replies

stubbedout · 18/04/2020 13:20

Hey all,

Figured I'd reach out to you as there's not really anyone else to talk about this with (other than a therapist). Thanks in advance for your time.

In a nutshell my wife is having an emotional affair and I just don't know what to do anymore.

Been together 12yrs, married for 3ys, both in our early 30s. I'd say the cracks started to appear soon after marriage, she was going out, staying out late, and generally drinking a lot more.
I put it down to her finally having enough disposable income to really enjoy life.
Looking back I was more focused on work, providing for us, and our home rather than being attentive to some of the needs she was calling out for (I realise this after reading Hold Me Tight, really fascinating, like learning a whole new language)...she confirmed it was partly an escape from our issues.

Anyway, fast forward and she's now making hush hush calls to a man on the other side of the world. They met through work about 6 months ago, I don't believe anything physical happened, but their relationship has continued, he even sent her a bracelet that she wore around the house till recently (I had to ask where it came from).

We've talked about this multiple times and about how we're in a period where she just isn't emotionally attracted to me because of my prior complacency/inability to understand emotional needs etc, we agree to try and fix things and that the calls will stop.
However, we've gone through this rodeo twice already, it starts with peace and getting on well, then a few days later Whatsapp pings, it's him, the secret calls start again, I get downhearted/distant/angry.

This is the third time now, I don't think I'm even feeling miserable anymore, I feel more like laughing at a bad life joke.
We are all stuck in quarantine, we are fortunate to be comfortable in our home but mentally it's taking a bit of a toll.

I do know she cares about me and doesn't want to see me miserable, but deep down I fear this relationship is over, that maybe things would just be better if we moved on, that maybe there is no point even getting a therapist.
And let's not forget kids, they're part of the equation, she's under pressure to have them (not from me but the bio clock and friends) and I know she kinda wants them deep down despite always saying how much she dislikes them, but let's say we work this out, there's no chance in hell I want kids for at least two years whilst our relationship stabilises after this.

What really gets me is I've learnt so much so recently just from going through all the research and talking about it with the wife, she says she'll read it but she won't (and she's a proper reader unlike me), it's like the answers and solutions are right there in front of us but I've been too slow to avoid the iceberg and now she's unwilling to really commit.

I'm super angry at myself, I have sympathy for my wife, but I also never betrayed her trust and I'm super annoyed at her total lack of self-research into how she was feeling before. She thinks that all the things she's been feeling recently are unique to her, and that comparing our relationship to her friends who are in 4yr relationships is healthy, there are just many things that even someone as stupid as me know are just downright stupid.

Should we look into a video call therapist, one last hoorah perhaps?
Am I being naive, should I just start planning the separation, home, cat etc.

I would love to get back to fully trusting my wife again, but I also realise the importance of living in the real world.

If you've made it this far, thanks for sticking through, would really appreciate any experience or wisdom you have, best.

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Jellybean27 · 18/04/2020 14:05

You kinda already know huh?

SandyY2K · 18/04/2020 14:07

It sounds like you don't have kids yet. Keep it that way.

Time to accept the marriage is over and separate. She's having an affair with no regard for you... that's no way to live and it will make her find you even less attractive in her eyes.

Get yourself out of this life...you aren't powerless.

goldpartyhat · 18/04/2020 14:12

Please do not bring kids into this awful situation. Your tried. She's tried in a half hearted way. It hasn't worked, and it never will. She is not behaving in a way that shows any commitment or respect for you. In fact it's appalling.

Please get out now (or as soon as possible). Just look for someone who will appreciate you and not be involved with someone else. Don't waste more of your life on something that's hasn't worked for a long time.

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 18/04/2020 14:13

I think you know already - it sounds like you've done a lot of work on yourself and you could make a success of a new relationship.

Your wife clearly has no respect for you and is treating you appallingly, I would move on and find someone who will put energy into your relationship - your wife doesn't sound worth the effort.

SandyY2K · 18/04/2020 14:21

there are just many things that even someone as stupid as me know are just downright stupid.

Well no need for her to have a child with a man she thinks is stupid then is there.

You need to cut the cord. Read 'No more Mr. Nice guy' by Gary Ridgeway.

Don't let her walk all over you, or you'll lose your self confidence. You can't make a marriage work while one party is having an affair.

stubbedout · 18/04/2020 16:24

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the honesty. I guess I kinda do know already, I change my mind on this so often these days but am also cognisant it’s probably more to protect what we have already (home), and to avoid the awkward social dynamics this is going to bring.

Sandy, touché. I’ll check out the recommendation thank you.

Everyone thank you.

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category12 · 18/04/2020 16:31

And let's not forget kids, they're part of the equation, she's under pressure to have them (not from me but the bio clock and friends) and I know she kinda wants them deep down despite always saying how much she dislikes them,

What? Confused Why don't you just take her at her word? If she says she doesn't want or like kids? You seem determined that she doesn't know her own mind, over all, and possibly she is saying what she means but you're not listening.

But anyway, sounds like it's done, so no point dragging it out.

Jellybean27 · 18/04/2020 17:27

The “awkward social dynamics” will surely be easier to handle over being fully aware that her heart isn’t in your marriage and she is continuing her emotional affair under your nose.

This one is definitely for the bin.

You’ll be fine, honest.

stubbedout · 18/04/2020 17:43

You bring up a good point regarding listening to what she’s saying, it’s gotten me into trouble sure.

With kids though, I throw your point back at you, just take my word on it. I’ve known my wife quite a while, I know her thoughts on the matter, they’re quite conflicted but more wanting.

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Greenkit · 18/04/2020 17:59

She is having an EA, she doesn't care about you or your marriage, repeatedly

Get out now before you bring children into this mess, find someone who will appreciate you

tarasmalatarocks · 18/04/2020 19:58

It sounds like she has mentally switched off from you anyway, I think she is simply using past behaviour as an excuse to justify what she’s up to. Sadly I think it won’t right itself, once someone keeps repeating the pattern then she has lost interest in making things any better

stubbedout · 19/04/2020 00:45

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

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Gutted74 · 19/04/2020 01:14

Hi, not sure how much advice I can give but I've been in this exact situation with my husband (him having the EA) and 2 yrs on and 2 'fresh starts' later I still have issues. Ive been with my husband over 25 yrs and we have 3 children and truly love him so I'm always finding a reason to stay as this was the first time he had strayed as such.

He promised no more contact about a yr ago but I found out a few months later that that only lasted a week. Now he's promised me again no more contact as he knows what this has done to me. The problem is he didn't see it as cheating as nothing physical happened (I have my doubts but can't prove it, but that might just be paranoia on my part).

I've decided that if there is anymore contact I'm going to have to ask him to leave, but I really really deep down don't want to do that as he is the only one for me, but the paranoia is eating me up and slowly destroying me.

My advice to you would be if she genuinely loves you she will cut the contact. How much respect for your marriage has she got if she carries on doing something that hurts you? I really should take my own advice here! However much it hurts to leave a marriage you need respect and honesty. I'm trying to be strong but I'm praying I'm just paranoid and I've got it wrong. Don't end up a paranoid wreck like me it will destroy you!! Good luck I genuinely hope you both can work this out!

Quick question for anyone, if your spouse went out for a drink with someone who he was attracted to and he knew she was attracted to him too and then kept it from you (until you discovered a photo on his phone of her kissing him on the cheek), would you class this as cheating? Thanks.

Greenkit · 19/04/2020 10:19

Quick question for anyone, if your spouse went out for a drink with someone who he was attracted to and he knew she was attracted to him too and then kept it from you (until you discovered a photo on his phone of her kissing him on the cheek), would you class this as cheating? Thanks.

I would say I was a "date" so yes cheating

@Gutted74

Robin233 · 19/04/2020 13:19

@Gutted74
EA affair.
Put your foot down.
Have you found the root course of the AF?
Have you resolved those issues?

Gutted74 · 20/04/2020 11:57

@Robin123 this has been ongoing. I have posted about it before. It was just texts at first and actually there wasn't anything inappropriate as such in them, just the sheer amount of them. I'm not a jealous person by nature, never have been, but they bothered me. I knew it wasn't right. He promised no more etc but he ended up spending time over the Rd chatting to her alot (she used to be a neighbour) and it got to the point where I told him he was obviously having an EA. We moved but within a week he was messaging her again (behind my back) but I only found out a few months along the line. Anyway a few weeks back I found an email with a picture she had sent him with her kissing him on the cheek (I think Google had automatically sent it) . They were obviously in a pub. Oh he says that was about 18 months ago. Like that makes a difference. After a blazing row he promised to delete her from his phone and if she texted him he would tell me, delete the message and not respond. Fast forward to now and we are getting on so much better. BUT I really need to know for sure that he has kept his promise. I don't really want to ask to look at his phone, partly because I've always believed we should all have a certain amount of privacy but also if I'm being honest I'm scared that he hasn't and I know that I will have to ask him to leave if he hasn't, because how can we get past this if he's still in contact? He's an idiot and it amazes me how a female can disrespect someone else's relationship and family. Does she have no self respect? And no I'm not placing all the blame on the OW, I do believe it's 50/50.

@stubbedout sorry for hijacking your post!!

Gutted74 · 20/04/2020 11:59

@Robin123 as for the cause, our marriage had got rather routine etc, and as I told him I take my share of the blame for that. But after discovered the first texts I really realised and stepped things up in that regard. Everything that has happened since I believe is down to him. He has handled it very badly to say the least.

stubbedout · 20/04/2020 23:33

Nothing to apologies for.
It’s our therapy.

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Lozzerbmc · 21/04/2020 03:34

Sadly I think this marriage is over. Having an EA and not caring about your feelings says it all really. Does she say she wants to continue marriage? I hope she wont just “make it work” to have kids that would be a disaster. I hope you can move on without her, and find someone who really appreciates you.

stubbedout · 21/04/2020 23:03

@Gutted74

Am so sorry to hear what’s going on with you, I'm obviously way outside my depth with your relationship being so much more developed than mine.

I would say something I noticed each time with my wife, things would be great once we talked things over and the comms with the other side stopped, but there would also be a very clear point where she started talking to him again because the affection towards me would disappear so quickly.

As a litmus test I’d say if he’s still showing affection (and you’re doing your part as well and being good to him) then this could be a great sign. For me personally I would most certainly become more distant if there was another significant other in my life.

I really sympathise as I imagine the paranoia is awful, if you haven’t read this it could help you figure out a way to broach the subject this with your husband, Hold Me Tight by Dr Sue Johnson. For example I imagine this could be a conversation about whether you can trust him fully and open your heart to him rather than if he’s doing anything untoward.

I hope things work out, that you’re able to shrug off the paranoia and enjoy the journey, whatever the conclusion holds.

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stubbedout · 22/04/2020 01:29

@Lozzerbmc
Thanks,
Every time the “you’re still speaking to other guy” conversation comes up we both have a good ponder about whether we’re over and then conclude we want to work things out. However, the no call period lasts about 2 days.

She keeps saying she loves me but I wonder if what she really means deep down is that she appreciates me. She cares about me but definitely doesn’t love love me, sexual desire left the building a while back.
In this whole EA instance, she gets really upset when I’m obviously down about everything, and when she gets upset I want to hug her but it’s time I start putting up the barriers.

Ultimately I think everyone is right here, I’ve just got to move on, and there’ve been so many other tell tale signs in the past (not on our marriage but her) that really should’ve made me think twice, mostly around narcissism that I’m certain have much deeper roots but she makes no real effort to understand and overcome (which I’ve made clear really bothers me, like being truly depressed because someone who used to fancy her has moved on).

It’ll be tough but for everyone’s good, and mostly my own, it’s time to move forward.

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Lozzerbmc · 23/04/2020 08:22

Well i hope you can part amicably and find happiness

stubbedout · 01/05/2020 00:26

One last hurrah, was looking ok, as right as isolation between two could go, definitely over now. Cheating again as expected. Cheers all.

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mamato3lads · 01/05/2020 15:45

@stubbedout

I'm sorry...but you know she's already checked out and this will continue for as long as you let it. It feels unimaginable now but you can move on from this, find someone who loves and respects you. X

Babooshkar · 01/05/2020 17:51

At least you’ll have no regrets moving forward now, good luck!