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Has anyone managed to resurrect their relationship without using e.g. Relate

16 replies

TiredWife · 07/10/2004 13:10

This refers to my other thread "think DH is having a mid-life crisis.." but I just wanted to know if anyone had had relationship problems (where both of you accepted there were problems) and somehow you managed to 'self-mediate' as it were, by e.g. using a self-help book, or series of structured questions etc?

I know a lot of people suggest Relate, but we have enough problems finding time to ourselves without finding a weekly evening slot + babysitter to go

Anyone managed it without a third party?

OP posts:
MeanBean · 07/10/2004 13:15

No.

We both accepted there were problems and tried to solve them, but couldn't.

I'd really suggest that you prioritise your relationship and make the time for it. The advantage of a third party is that they can sometimes see the problems you can't. I can see that it's difficult though - there's a case for having online mediation, which long term, must be a possibility for Relate. But in the meantime, if you really want to save your relationship, you'll invest the time and hassle in going to counselling. I hope it pays dividends for you.

Empress · 07/10/2004 13:26

No advice, Tiredwife, I'm afraid but completely understand re Relate. I've often wondered how on earth people who are having problems, and have young kids, manage to get to Relate, never mind tackle their problems. If we had babysitters and were able to get out together one evening a week we would never have problems in the first place!! Sorry not to be any help at all. Agree that 3ed person prob v useful but impractical.

bundle · 07/10/2004 13:28

agree with meanbean that it should be worth it in the long run to sacrifice the little time/money/energy you have atm to invest in your future together. (sorry if this sounds negative, but from past experience i know you can get so entrenched in destructive patterns of behaviour it's almost impossible to see your way round it)

tammybear · 07/10/2004 13:29

I do think a third party can help. You can speak to someone in Relate over the phone or online if u cant get in, but it does cost i think this is their website xxx

bundle · 07/10/2004 13:30

they do charge - we went to LMG (london marriage guidance, in place of relate in london) - and they do it according to your income

jojo38 · 07/10/2004 14:07

I tried relate when I was having probs with my ex. I am afraid all they did was add fuel to the fire. I found out that he was having a thing with my best mate... he denied it, caused a big rift with us, we went to relate.. he denied it still and the chap said that I was being unreasonable and that I may as well have a gun to my ex's head.
At least it "sorted" everything there and then. I couldn't live with it, so in the end I made the decision. My ex turned into someone I didn't know so we couldn't talk. I took the risk, felt the fear and did it anyway!

Good luck to all - I really and truly believe that it has to take two to make it work... I tried and failed but I wouldn't be where I am today if I had given in.
Hugs.

Faerie68 · 07/10/2004 15:54

Hello, out of interest, I have bought all the books in the Relate series, and I can promise you, they're crap! All they do is tell you things that the average person already knows, and the only practical suggestion they give is to go in for counselling.

I should think that the counselling is quite different, but then, like in all relationships, it depends on the person you end up talking with.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope it turns out fine in the end.

jasper · 07/10/2004 20:22

I went to relate and ended up getting divorced and my experience was they were completely hopeless.

Others have found them helpful.

But on a more positive note in answer to your question, YES I have known several couples who rescued their relationship from the brink without any help from a third party .

good luck

lulupop · 07/10/2004 21:14

Hi Tiredwife. Sorry things are so shitty for you at the moment. I have some good and some bad things to say about Relate. DH and I went quite a bit 18months ago. Then again this summer when thins threatened to go back how they'd been before. Both times I found it very helpful to have a third party, as all the other MNers have said. I really believe that if your problems are bad enough in the first place to be considering counseeling, then you are unlikely to be able to have as productive a discussion on your own. However "positive" your mindset going into a disucssion, the issues between you soon come up and tempers get frayed, nasty things are said, etc. For us it felt like going to Relate provided a safe place to thrash out the issues without us actually making them worse by fighting yet again over the same old things and thereby adding to the sense of futility of it all, IYSWIM.

On the downside, you have to be quite focused to prevent the sessions becoming just the place where you have a refereed argument. We did get to a point where I felt like I said nothing all week for fear of another argument, but then let it rip in the session and DH was horrified, having thought we'd had an OK week.

Also, we stopped going because at the end of the day I felt we'd established what the problems were and it was up to us to go away and work at fixing them. No point going back week after week to keep going over and over things. My personal situation is that actually, a lot of the things that upset me about DH haven't changed, and aren't ever going to. But my ability to understand them and accept them has changed, and, I expect, vice versa. It's not a bed of roses but we are, for the first time in a long time, happy again.

I didn't actually LIKE our counsellor very much. Felt she was more "on his side" IYSWIM. It's very important to feel an affinity with your counsellor, I think. But that might just be to do with my own personal problems etc.

Finally, I felt much like you re the whole hassle factor, babysitting, etc. My best friend (not married, no kids, but v lovely amd wise friend) said to me "If your marriage is important enough to you, you'll MAKE the time, rather than end up separating", and she was right. When we went back this year we had a 7 week old baby and a 2 yr old, with no family nearby, but we just about managed it. I'm not saying it's easy, especially when you don't really want to admit to anyone that you're going for marriage guidance counselling, but if the bottom line is that's what you need to do, then you will find a way to prioritise it.

Good luck

PS I recommend reading the chapter on marriage in the book "Emotional Intelligence". The rest is mostly self-help crap but I found that chapter really useful as a framework for looking at our relationship

melsy · 07/10/2004 21:30

I must say Ive read this thread on and off today , as we have been considering therapy , but Im so not into counselling been there done it and dont find it usefull or positive. If anything it just brought everythig to the surface with no really guidance in how to move froward woith practicak help.Ive had much much better therapy with a hypnotherapist who uses a form of phsychotherapy rather than counselling. She makes suggestions and gives tasks to carry out every week which strengthen the resolve to move forward as a person. I must stress that I had to do the same excersise looking at past behaviour and issues that got me to her 1st. Granted all of this has been for me individually and you cant do hypnotherapy as a couple , but her style is the kind of thing that I respond to , especially as I cant stand the fruedian thing done to me to death ( did that for 2yrs and boy i wanted to smack his gace in sometimes!!, may be I need anger managment !!!). I just want to deal with my stuff and look at it, have it acknowlegded as a painful time , not just down to parental style or penis envy or something and then MOVE ON and re write my history so to speak. On the back fo this thread I phoned relate today for further info and it was all this soft spoken nicey nicely gently does it. They take a very uninfluencial stance and may just ask qestions to coach a couple to get it out , but I dont belive they have the tools to move you forward with ideas and new behaviours, which I think if youve got into a pattern together for many years thats destructive/negative, is required. I aplogise if it seems harsh an opinion , but ive done a similar thing individually and I ended up with SEVERE PND and was worse than before Id had the counselling as I was just to aware of my foibles / hurts and rejections as a child.

MTS · 07/10/2004 21:35

going to hijack this thread a mo - Melsy I so so agree with your last sentence in your post about counselling - as I can so identify with this with my experiences with inner child therapy. IMHO the last thing you need if you are clinically depressed is to be told - tell me about all your nasty childhood experiences, and go on and give yourself a hug retrospectively - as if that will sort you out(!) [apologies for thread hijack, just a bit of a bugbear of mine!]

i assume that Relate would look more at "the here and now" rather than wallow in the past - maybe posters who have been thru it could comment?

MTS · 07/10/2004 21:37

apologies for my little rant there

kkgirl · 07/10/2004 21:41

We had a big relationship crisis back in July/August where things came to a head. DH agreed that he would go to Relate with me rather than end our marriage, I wasn't threatening to end it, but just couldn't take the way things were anymore.
I rang them up and it was 8 weeks before I could get an appointment and for £40 I didn't feel that I could put my life and problems on hold for that long.
I'll have to go and read your other thread, because it depends really what the problem is and if you can solve it. I found that communication or lack of it hinders our relationship.

feezy · 07/10/2004 21:42

The last two years we have had major problems - dh left for 4 months then while working on relationship when he came back there was some kind of friendship thing going on with him and female colleague . It perhaps wouldn't have taken so long if we had gone to relate but we never did and somehow have pulled our relationship together and although I feel alot of hurt and pain I don't think relate would change that

newgirl · 10/10/2004 19:18

I found the book '21st century relationship solutions' good. It starts by saying that you don't both have to read it, you can benefit from reading it yourself, and if your partner reads it too, then you can discuss things, but it is really for you to think about ways of making things work. It easy to read and has chapters about key 'problem areas' that you can dip into. This might be a help if getting to the relate centre is tricky. I thought it was very practical and positive. good luck

jojo38 · 13/10/2004 23:47

Eeek, sounds like relate had a bit of a bashing there. Not surprised really. Counselling is all very well and good but I think each of us need to know "who" we are and why we are the way we are before we go storming in with both feet and say its "the marriage". Put it this way, I can "relate" (no pun intended) to getting a bit of therapy. My ex blackmailed me into getting some, glad he did in a way, I found out just where I was going wrong in satisfying myself. I was more in love with the familiarity of the relationship than my ex. I hated him for making me go, but now I look back, I think it did me wonders.

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