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Realisation of the impact of rape many years on

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DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 03:37

Even if you think this is a ridiculous suggestion, please bear in mind why I am asking and be kind.

Thank you.

Around 20 years ago, I was raped in my bed as I slept by someone I knew who entered my house unlawfully but without 'breaking in'. I didn't tell anyone, it was never dealt with, I never received counselling. It took a long time for me to truly realise or accept it was rape because I'd been brought up with all the rape myths about it being a woman's fault if she "got herself" raped - what was she wearing, what was she doing, where was she..? And I was in bed asleep. I'd done nothing. I didn't know you could be raped by someone you knew, I'd also been brought up being told that "all women have sex with men they don't want to have sex with when they don't want to do it. It's just part of being a woman" and it was best just to let them get on with it.

So, on the back of all that, what happened to me didn't fit my criteria for rape. I did most definitely say no at the time but also felt guilty I 'owed' it to him to let him do it given he'd made all that effort to get to my house in the middle of the night etc. and I didnt put up a fight. Believe me I know how awful that all sounds now.

Anyway, I didn't truly process it until last year when a friend said something that kind of unlocked it all and it felt like it downloaded into my head and suddenly the rest of my life just became so clear and understandable.

I didn't develop a fear of men as a result. Nor a fear of being raped - I couldn't blame myself - I hadn't done anything wrong so I understand more clearly than a lot of people i know that it's not running through the local woods that gets you raped, or being drunk, or being out alone after dark etc. Because, in my case, being asleep in bed in your own home is what gets you raped... so I understand it's encountering a rapist that gets you raped. But what it did leave me with was a huge fear of sex.

Fast forward to now. When I look back through life, I've never had good sex in the context of a loving relationship. I've avoided loving relationships and, whilst I've had a few ONS, I've never really had sex within the confines of a relationship - never had a combination of sex and love. In my head, they've always been very separate.

My relationship history is very poor. I've generally been single. My longest relationship was sexless (save for functioning sex to have my children) because I married a man who was a virgin and completely inexperienced when we met who had his own hang ups about sex. Since then, my relationships have not lasted beyond a few months. And often been long distance so the question of sex didnt arise very often. I've pretty much avoided it/discussing it, which has also been easier during recent years as I'm now older (mid 40s) the men I've dated have either had ED or been of the roll on, grunt a bit, roll off variety. Which I can cope with easily.

I've always felt scared/anxious during sex and it's only really been recently that I've processed that that isn't normal and you're not supposed to feel scared during sex.

Four months ago, I met a man. The first I have met since my 'rape' revelation and since all of this became clear to me. I'm not ashamed of what happened to me. I don't think it was my fault but I am incredibly sexually inexperienced (although I've 'let' it happen quite often with men in the past). The man I'm seeing is very sexually experienced and expressive. But also incredibly respectful and aware of my boundaries. He doesn't push for sex, he has stopped if I've even appeared slightly uncomfortable with what he has done and generally waits for me to initiate but I'm not experienced and it's all been incredibly 'vanilla' because I'm only really comfortable in positions where I can be face to face and in control - so missionary or me on top. But I also know he would want to do more and, more importantly, I feel I want to do more. Because of the way he is, he is the only man I've never felt.'scared' or 'anxious' with. But I no longer want to let this man of 20+ yrs ago have this control over me.

I don't know if this relationship is going to last. But I feel that I want to address it and to address it with him either for my relationship with him or any relationship in the future.

I have started to take ownership of this in the past few months. I have told a couple of female friends about the rape but not the impact - because it's not my shame. A few weeks ago, I told a male friend (and mutual friend of his and mine) about the rape and also gave a brief overview of the impact and he cried when he heard it and hugged me. So I understand how 'big' it is to hear.

But I also find it difficult to open up emotionally and discuss emotional things with someone I'm close to or in a relationship with. So I want to tell him about this but I know that I won't be able to sit down and open up about it. I know that because I've intended to talk to him that last few times ve seen him but not fund the right time or words to start the conversation.

Do you think it would be ridiculous to write it down in a letter and send it to him? It would give him time to process it and formulate a response and I wouldn't have to spend an hour trying to get my words out and fail to express myself adequately.

I was thinking I'd include basically what I've said here but in a slightly more heartfelt way. I need him to understand that I feel I can explain it to him because of who he is. But I also accept that he might break up with me at any time and for any reason so I won't feel embarrassed or shame for telling him. I'm telling him because I need to start acknowledging it for me more than anything.

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DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 03:41

Sorry it's so.long, I wanted to give as much as I could in the opening post.

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Thepigeonsarecoming · 15/03/2020 03:46

You have to do whatever makes you comfortable and feels right for you. No one can know how you feel even if they’ve been through something similar. For me it was just giving the basic information, for others talking helps, writing it down may be the best thing for you. Good luck, he seems like a good bloke and one you deserve

BitOfFun · 15/03/2020 03:47

I think you should get yourself some counselling booked (perhaps through Rape Crisis?), just for you.

Your letter is good as far as acknowledging your trauma goes, but please be careful with your heart. It might be better to speak to him in person, if you can bear it. That way, you can gauge his reaction as you go along.

My very best wishes to you, and I hope this is the start of genuine recovery for you.

PlanDeRaccordement · 15/03/2020 04:37

What you’ve written here would be perfect for a letter. And don’t worry, the way you have written about him he will already know that there must be a reason like rape why your boundaries are where they are. He’s already accepted them without knowing exactly why or pressuring you into telling him why. I think putting all this in a letter will strengthen your emotional bond and is a good step forward in your relationship.

Now I’ve answered your question. I want to say I am sorry for the pain and hardship you have been through. I was raped almost thirty years ago and I still have lasting effects from it. You’re not crazy or over-reacting or anything like that. 💐

DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 04:42

Thanks. My heart is fine - I'm actually quite strong and, because of things that have happened, very resilient. I don't have any expectations from it beyond finally putting some demons around this to bed and taking back some control over myself and my own life.

'Met' wasn't really the right word - I've been seeing him for 4 months but we have a number of mutual friends who've known him for many years. And we've been aware of each other/have chatted on occasion for the past couple of years. He has a good reputation and is a kind and decent man. Not perfect - but no one is. But I think this will help him understand me better as well as enabling me to finally move on.

I don't really feel like I need counselling as such tbh. I'm not expecting this guy to 'fix' me. Just to be aware To let him understand me better and if I can't do this myself, I will get counselling then. But the only way I'm going to feel confident and comfortable having sex is to do it with someone who understands why I'm not.

If he ended it on the back of it (I dont think for a second he would) that would be on him not me. But I've lived so long with 'fear' and I dont want to do that anymore.

I know he would respect that I'd told him in confidence too which is the main thing.

I don't think he'd react badly but I couldn't talk to him face to face about it. I've tried and I just struggle to get the words out.

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DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 04:47

He’s already accepted them without knowing exactly why or pressuring you into telling him why.

I think this is why i feel I can/want to share this with him rather than battening down the hatches (so to speak!) Which is how I normally feel. He makes me feel safe sexually and I've never felt that before.

Thank you and I'm sorry to hear you experienced similar Flowers.

I think a big part of it for me now is that the man who raped me probably doesn't even remember me. And yet it has impacted on every day of my life since. I was only 20 and I'd only lost my virginity less than a year previously so it's impacted on my whole sex life. I'm not letting him have that any longer.

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HappyExteriorSadInterior · 15/03/2020 05:04

Hi OP,

I am so sorry to hear what happened to you, it must have been absolutely terrifying and I can see from your writing how much it has affected your whole life quite understandably. You were violated in your own home, the place you should feel safest. I am amazed at how you have picked yourself up and continued living your life in the way you have, all credit to you.
I admire you enormously for the way you have processed it all on your own. I’m so glad you have been able to talk about it recently too. I hope you have all the support you need. I understand you don’t feel you need any counselling at this time but I would suggest keeping an open mind because it might be beneficial in the future.

I think writing it all down in a letter to your DP is a really good idea. You could use much of what you have written here because you express yourself so well.
On a lesser level I have in the past written letters to family members who have hurt me and it has been my way of getting my views across without stumbling over my words, crying and being sidetracked by their views. It leaves things clear and gives them time to ingest it and respond if they want to.

Your DP sounds lovely and I am hopeful he will continue being just the same once he knows what you have been through. I think as you say it will give him a much greater understanding of your past experience. Together you can then build on the intimate side of your relationship as well as the emotional side.

I really hope it all works out for you and your partner. I wish you much happiness for the future. Flowers

DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 05:22

Thank you!

Since typing thosnpost and reading the comment about being able to gauge his response, I'm now thinking that I might write the letter today but arrange to go to his in the week and give it to him to read while I'm there.

I'm not sure how he'd feel if i just landed it on him.but I wasn't there. Or how he'd bring it up afterwards. Or whether I should.

I just know that I won't be able to get my words out about it otherwise.

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HappyExteriorSadInterior · 15/03/2020 05:59

Hi OP,
I think that is an excellent idea. He cares about you and I'm sure he will find it a shock and very upsetting to know what has happened to you. If you are next to him maybe he can read it and then you can discuss it together. Hopefully it will all just unfold naturally and you can move on together.
I hope it goes to plan. Good luck OP, I'll be thinking of you.

Alonelonelyloner · 15/03/2020 09:31

Firstly OP, can I just say thank you for sharing your experiences with us. It has actually made me realise a number of things about myself which I hadn't quite defined yet. I knew it was there but not analysed. I'm making more sense to myself.
I'm really grateful.
I'm sorry that you have suffered. You sound very strong.
Writing your letter sounds like a perfect thing and I'm going to do this too.

DownYonderGreenValley · 15/03/2020 10:47

HappyExteriorSadInterior thanks. Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too. And seems to be the best way of approaching it. Otherwise, it would take me an hour to get it out and I wouldnt do justice to how I am feeling at all.

I need him to understand that its ot something I've shared before; that I'm only telling him because of the way I feel when I am with him and that I have no expectation of him to 'fix' me - more that I want us to become closer and for our relationship to grow.

Alonelonelyloner I'm sorry you have suffered too. I'm pleased its helped you to understand yourself better and hope that this approach works for oth of us ❤

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DownYonderGreenValley · 17/03/2020 07:00

I've written my letter.

I didn't include everything and now I'm not so sure if it's too 'unemotional'.

I'm seeing him this evening.

How do I know whether, after 4 months, he cares enough to share this with him?

We talked about being exclusive about 6 weeks after we started seeing each other and both assumed we had been from the start.

There have been no emotional declarations, as I would expect after 4 months. And we are both at the stage of deciding whether this is a/the person we want to be with - we've both been hurt in the past with no desire to rush anything.

I'm conscious that if 'are we sexually compatible?' forms part of his decision making (it does mine and it should do) then, without this knowledge, he might decide not (and he'd be within his rights to) but I dont want to be 'judged' as such when I'm not really sexually compatible with myself at the moment (if that makes sense?)

I'm aware that all relationships are a leap of faith but I'm now mindful of making myself vulnerable to him in this way. Although I also know that allowing yourself to be vulnerable is necessary to build a close emotional bond.

Any words of wisdom?

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HappyExteriorSadInterior · 17/03/2020 07:55

Good morning OP,

It's only natural you are feeling anxious about this, it is a big step in a relatively new relationship.
From what you describe this man does care enough to share this with him. The fact you have both been hurt in the past means you are being careful not to rush into anything.
Sharing this experience with him could be the making of your relationship in many ways because it is such a personal thing. I can only imagine that he will be honoured you trust him enough to be so open with him.
My thought is that you will feel much better in sharing this no matter what the outcome is. Would it not be better to know now how he deals with difficult issues early on, rather than fall in love with him and tell him later on with the chance he just doesn't know how to process it?

I think you should use today and really think about it, the pros and cons of giving him the letter tonight, re-read the letter and make sure you feel comfortable with what you have written. If by the time you are about to meet him it just doesn't feel right there is nothing wrong with leaving it until you do.
You have shown such strength and courage from the moment this awful experience happened, you should trust your own instincts and do what feels right.

Best of luck OP, I really hope it all works out. I'll be thinking of you and wishing you well Flowers

DownYonderGreenValley · 17/03/2020 08:32

Thank you that's really good advice.

After posting that message this morning, I had something of an epiphany.

I realised that, in the very early days when he had obviously been trying to 'impress' me, I did the opposite. I realise now that I did and said things to 'push him away' - perhaps subconsciously to avoid this very situation. But he's still here. I failed in pushing him away.

I think that, without realising, I was testing myself to see what sort of man he is. If he'd reacted badly to any of that, I'd wouldnt have seen him.again anyway.

So, on reflection, I think I can trust him with this.

And you're quite correct, how he responds to this will tell me everything I need to know and I will feel better.

I don't feel shame at what happened to me because it wasn't me who did anything wrong. So, even if he did react badly, that would tell me about him and not me. But I don't think he will.

Thank you again x

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HappyExteriorSadInterior · 17/03/2020 09:23

No need to say thank you. I agree with everything you have said and I'm so glad you have had an epiphany.
I too think you can trust him, he seems like a good guy who really cares about you but just wants to take things slowly. I think you will feel much better when you decide to give him the letter. I really think he will be upset at what happened to you but will feel like he can understand you better and want to support you.
In the remote chance he can't handle this it shows he isn't right for you and you know it's time to move on and find someone who is.
As you say you should not feel any shame whatsoever, what happened to you was a despicable criminal act. Anyone with an ounce of decency would know that too.
I'm so glad you know that you did absolutely nothing wrong. The perpetrator is the one who should feel a lifetime of shame and remorse.

I wish you so much luck. You can do this, when the time feels right x

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