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Good Lord can he be any more of a deluded prat? !

19 replies

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 11:44

So I've just heard from my DD that my ex, her father, sent her a message, a couple of years ago, literally the first contact from him in years, that " I've done nothing wrong, I'll always be here for you", on her 18th Birthday. That was it, no other comments. Sounds odd but innocent enough, however the background to this is far from. She is astounded at how much of prat he's been with this statement, and I can totally understand her frustration.
( This must have coincided with the smug letter I received from him at the same time, stating maintenance payments would stop now she's 18....I did laugh, what payments would that be then, the imaginary ones I presume?!)

He was physically and verbally and emotionally abusive and cruel from when she was a week old, and this continued at an age when she was able to understand, and she witnessed some very frightening episodes. This same man, when I "dared" to leave, used child contact issues and maintenance issues to continue to attempt to control and bully, totally oblivious to the effect on his child. A mild example " mummy won't let daddy see you when he wants so I'm not giving you your birthday presents" etc. Counselling, mediation, legal options all refused, despite telling friends, family members and work colleagues that I was using parental alienation etc, but then he wouldn't tell them the truth would he? This daughter he was " desperate" to see he didn't send Birthday or Christmas cards or gifts or letters to, and did everything possible to try and avoid maintenance payments.
When I married a normal decent man it kicked off again, with threats of informing the CSA I was " cohabiting", ( no dear, it's called getting married and has no effect on maintenance payments...) and offensive letters ending in " see you in court"....yes, seriously! I don't know which crime drama/ film he had been watching for inspiration,
but I could only laugh at such a pathetic attempt at intimidation. Needless to say he never took any legal action, I wonder why! He seemed to feel our lack of response to such idiocy as a sign of success on his part, but is obviously oblivious to the fact police were made aware of every incident as we had been advised.
It was explained to him via a neutral professional and solicitors to address his behaviour due to the effect on DD, but he took no notice. Through counselling I had to explain to her some of his past behaviour, although deep down she knew why I had to leave him. She was at the age where she too could see the amusing side of some of it, for example the "accidental" texts to, it turns out, imaginary girlfriends, left on her contact mobile when she was younger, intended to upset me somehow I presume!
I have shielded her from most of the worse abuse and messages as it's of no benefit to distress her further.
She simply cannot understand how he thinks that she would never find out what happened, and does he honestly think the police involvement, and things my parents and neighbours heard and witnessed, and offensive messages, will just disappear? He accused us of faking a police letter once regarding one particularly unpleasant episode!
My DD's boyfriend very occasionally, against my advice, does check his social media presence, mainly as my DD I think is concerned he'll try and turn up somewhere, and I think she told me about the message as recently her boyfriend has seen that he's apparently still posting thinly veiled anti semitic/ anti muslim/ anti immigration views, along with expletive filled irrational rants about late public transport, bigging up thuggish football fan behaviour, and generally trying to be all "blokey", crowing about his new wife ( including as subtle as a sledgehammer comparisons!) and their semi celebrity " friends" and some very immature bragging about celebrity restaurants etc, with the odd very strange contradictory patriotic or charitable endeavour, and amazing new baby etc, so clearly hasn't changed she's able to see! She used the term " cowardly, lying bully" and that seems pretty accurate! She was also able to have a giggle at the poor grammar and spelling mistakes! She's actually feeling quite sorry for him, as he just cant see how much he's embarassing himself with his behaviour and remarks over the years.
She is irritated at why he has treated her like an idiot and with no regard to her wishes whatsoever.
Through independent counselling my DD made her own decisions regarding contact, which she didn't want. She feels sorry for his new partner, as he's naturally lied to her, we even had someone claiming to be his girlfriend turn up creating about contact, but this lady absolutely was not the lady he was/ is married to! But then he was unfaithful to me so I'm not surprised. I just hope she doesn't experience the same, or his other child, but the truth usually comes out in the end. I recognise he's a total narcissist so there's absolutely no logic in dealing with that kind of personality, and I think my DD can see that too.
Luckily my husband is what I'd call a real man, and I don't mean that in a politically incorrect macho way, but that he's kind, fair, honest, loyal, emotionally strong, supportive, loves my DD as his own, and has cared for her, provided for financially and emotionally without question, protected her, and helped pick up the pieces from a really not great early childhood. It's only natural my DD will be inquisitive and irritated at times about this, but she luckily has a really good happy life, as do I. Like all parents I've wanted her to have the best life possible, and obviously left her father for that reason, and hate to see how upset she's been in the past, and the odd blip she has, like now. Sadly I think she'll have the odd moment/ wobble every now and then. I tend to not waste my time even thinking about him but I wish I could help her avoid these moments.
I'm sure unfortunately I'm not the only parent to have/ be experiencing this.

And all ",bias" aside, he continues to prove he really is a prat!

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OhCaptain · 11/03/2020 11:48

That’s a lot of obsession about a man who doesn’t deserve the headspace!

Her boyfriend checks his social media in case he shows up somewhere?? Why would he when he hasn’t bothered?

I feel like I’m missing something here.

NewLevelsOfTiredness · 11/03/2020 11:51

It sounds like you've done a fantastic job with helping your DD through the mess he's caused. Well done :)

NewLevelsOfTiredness · 11/03/2020 11:53

OhCaptain - based on my girlfriend's experience with her ex - you can very successfully relegate him to background noise in your life, but every once in a while it builds up and you just gotta have a good old rant to get it out :)

TheFastandTheCurious · 11/03/2020 12:00

That’s a lot of obsession about a man who doesn’t deserve the headspace!

None of what OP has mentioned is obsessive, whatsoever

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 12:08

OhCaptain, hi I really wouldn't class it as obsession from myself or DD, although you are right he doesn't deserve the headspace. Perhaps not clear but this is something that occurred a couple of years ago and she's felt she wanted to speak to me about it now. Her boyfriend is only checking occasionally, i suppose being protective, considering the history,and as any victim/ witness/ child of domestic violence will tell you sometimes you want to keep an eye on things. Unfortunately violent narcissists sometimes do try and rattle peoples cages by appearing unexpectedly, sometimes even years after, but so far so good! Trying to explain the background to her annoyance?

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Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 12:11

NewLevelsofTiredness Thank you very much. Its actually a surprisingly difficult subject to broach, despite being able to laugh at some of the sillier remarks from him, as it brings back horrendous memories for both of us.

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OhCaptain · 11/03/2020 12:23

Sorry I flippantly used the word obsession, I wasn’t having a go! Just saying that he’s clearly moved on with his own life while he still gets to take up residence in yours and dd’s!

He doesn’t deserve it. That’s all I meant.

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 12:38

OhCaptain Hi again! I realised you weren't having a go. This is the first time in ages I've had to deal with any fallout, and no matter what age your child you still want to support and protect them. I personally don't think his social media presence should be checked but I do understand why in a way I suppose. I think I'm upset for her more than myself, and I'm glad she felt able to talk to me about it. You are spot on that he absolutely doesn't deserve the time or attention, but her irritation must be spilling out through me?

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OhCaptain · 11/03/2020 12:42

All of that is completely understandable! And sadly, I don’t think you’ll ever be able to help her not have these wobbles! And I don’t think social media helps. If it didn’t exist, the temptation wouldn’t be there! But it does and she’s only human.

But it’s great that she did speak to you about it. Nobody will understand it as much as you two because you lived it together.

More importantly, you got her out. And no matter what he puts on social media or how he tries to spin things, at least you both know the truth.

Hopefully one day she’ll be able to genuinely not care and evict him for good! Flowers

Windmillwhirl · 11/03/2020 12:48

Hi op, I received a similar letter from my dad when I was away at college aged 18. I had stopped seeing him many years before so it was a bolt out of the blue. In it he said how much he loved me but I had to get over the 'chip on my shoulder'.

Wtaf? Would that chip be his numerous affairs with women (he'd split from my mother when I was a toddler so I'm talking affairs behind his girlfriends' backs) where we had to lie for him and where we he'd been, or the chip that he never paid the maintenance he was meant to so my mother went without everything to feed us and eventually had to take him to court (happened all the time), or the chip where he'd take myself and my siblings to mass and then go home and sleep and leave us there waiting for him for hours till he woke up.

He was an absolute deadbeat, but thankfully my mum is a diamond.

I'm late 40s now, have not seen him in decades and am bloody glad I cut him out when I did. Your daughter may come to feel the very same.

Sounds like you have done a sterling job, op. Your daughter is very lucky x

Sickandscared · 11/03/2020 13:02

Ah your poor daughter. It sounds like she's got her head screwed on but missed out on having a decent dad. And poor you going through all that. I'm glad you met and married somebody else.

In answer to your question it would seem he couldn't be more of a deluded prat but he may amaze us again.

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 13:05

Thank you Windmillwhirl. I think my DD will be relieved to hear she's not the only one, although of course it's so sad you've both been through similar. It's taken time for her to deal with the spin, lies and blame and disregard of her wishes. It's actually a real loss for him, because she's become a strong, independent, incredibly witty beautiful young lady who's absolutely doing her best. ( And her boyfriend is tall, gorgeous with loads of muscles, lucky girl!) Smile

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SonjaMorgan · 11/03/2020 13:21

OP I have a very similar story. Most days I don't even think about my ex.
We go through a cycle with child maintenance where he doesn't pay and they apply an attachment of earnings, makes a few payments, repeat.
Every so often I do like a good rant, normally after I hear some of the BS he comes up with. I know I shouldn't care what others think (especially when the people who matter the most know the truth) but it grates on me that he plays the victim after all he put us through.

chocolatesaltyballs22 · 11/03/2020 13:33

He sounds like a prick and I understand your frustration that your daughter doesn't have a decent dad in her life. I'm in a similar position although to be fair your ex sounds worse than mine (didn't think it was possible!) All you can do is help them to deal with it. I think my daughter still has a tiny hope that her dad will somehow become a reasonable human being and for that reason she carries on seeing him occassionally, then I have to deal with the fallout when she comes home upset.

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 13:33

Sonja Morgan

Sad to hear you have similar. It is the victim status that is truly nauseating. But I do think the truth comes out in the end somehow. The only comfort I think is that keeping up with the lies must be very tiring, and they must live with this thought in the back of their minds that they will be caught out. Its lack of control gets them, and my comfort is that he just doesn't have that any more. Moved on to his next "lucky lady"!

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Zaphodsotherhead · 11/03/2020 14:45

Was there a maintenance order made?

My ex didn't pay for his five kids for years and years. Even now they are now all well over twenty (!) he has to pay me child support until the arrears have been cleared, because they finally caught up with him.

So he may be crowing a little bit prematurely...

Windmillwhirl · 11/03/2020 14:58

It's actually a real loss for him

I don't doubt it, and I feel the same re my own father. I think he just assumed I'd always be in his life no matter how he behaved.

I've never once regretted my decision. I know having him in my life would not have made it better.

In some ways, I'm grateful because I too am strong, independent and proud of all I've achieved without any help or support from him.

It is absolutely his loss and I'm glad to hear your daughter is in such a good place Smile

Quasimodo7 · 11/03/2020 14:59

Hi, I don't think I could even begin to tell you the fun and games with maintenance.....it should be pretty straight forward in theory but absolutely hasn't been. To be honest my DD is so unimpressed with him all round that she's stated she doesn't want anything from him financially, which is a good job because he's made it clear he won't be providing anything, bless him!

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Windmillwhirl · 11/03/2020 15:05

I remember coming home from weekends with my dad and my mum asking if he'd given us a maintenance cheque for her. I hated telling her no. He had the money, just wanted her/us to suffer. Imagine doing that to your own kids. I wouldn't even ask my mum when I needed things (new school shoes, etc) because I knew she didn't have the money. I never forgot how awful that made me feel. He doesn't deserve my love.

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