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What should I do?

28 replies

farthingwood5 · 02/03/2020 12:29

Me and dh are currently living separately, I am parenting our kids (3&5) while he stays with a friend.

Reasons For separation- I feel invisible. He doesn’t say hello to me, doesn’t say goodnight just goes to bed, doesn’t contact me when out (not just at work), walks separately to me when out, doesn’t enjoy family time, always grumpy, loses patience with the kids, has lots of time out for him but takes the mick with it- no contact, stays out really late then wakes me up- always the first one to arrive and last to leave (I guess to avoid coming home!).

Since the separation I’ve felt lighter. Me and the kids have been doing well. He says he misses us and wants to come home, He’s started being nicer to me but then said he finds our son annoying and the evenings are all about him and his sleep routines. he came back the other night and admitted he had wanted to see me, not the kids. I took some time out over the weekend- 2 hrs 45 mins- and he was already ringing me nagging to come home saying he was struggling with the children and I shouldn’t have been out ‘all afternoon’. when I got back he was desperate to get away again. He said he wants to move back to live with me, but doesn’t want to live with the kids right now, so I’ve suggested he stay longer with his friends and take time out.

I think he’s probably depressed and he is starting counselling later this month. But he’s been like this for several years now. He expects so much time out for himself- his hobby takes every Saturday from 11am until 10pm for six months of the year and he does things mid week too, this has upset me in the past but now he’s so moody if he’s home, id rather he went. But he doesn’t seem to want me to have ANY time out, even begrudges me going out to walk the dog, so it’s very one sided. He will send me nagging messages telling me to come home, or be nasty when I’m back so I’m on edge whenever I’m out. I always have to see his family but he will never see mine, hasn’t been supportive with my mums illness recently when I need to spend time with my parents or help my dad.

Also while being separated the last two weeks I know he has messaged an ex. He says there was nothing to it, but throughout our marriage he has done this a lot- he seems to push the boundaries as far as he can without physically cheating. There’s been messages with married women and social media things (eg liking photos of our sons nursery staff dressed for a night out) but nothing physical. he’s always deleted things to cover his tracks so I’ve never seen much to fully know what I’m forgiving, but I definitely don’t trust him because of this.

Should I support him because he’s depressed and keep the family together, or should I be selfish and want more for myself? I do love him, but it feels like it will always be a one sided marriage?

OP posts:
mbosnz · 02/03/2020 12:44

That sounds like a pretty miserable life for you. Not great for the kids, neither. Marriage is supposed to be give and take. Not all take on one side, not all give on the other.

What is he bringing to the party? Sweet fanny adams, from the reading of that.

He may be depressed. He can be depressed and also be a selfish arsehole. I'm surprised you're not depressed, living like that!

I'm sure he wants to come home. He wants his resident cleaner, and cook, doesn't want to parent his children, doesn't want to support his wife.

Not even wishing you good morning or good night? That is beyond contemptuous.

category12 · 02/03/2020 12:46

Depression isn't an excuse for behaving like this.

And I'm not sure what sort of family it would be where the dad is disinterested and doesn't appear to like his children. I mean, that's not a great start to life, is it?

HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 02/03/2020 12:53

You should put your feelings first. He certainly does that.
Someone once told me that if you have ever wondered if you deserve better or more, then you usually do.

CliffStitorus · 02/03/2020 13:06

He sounds incredibly selfish so you wouldn't be selfish to put yourself and the DC first. My ex was utterly incapable of looking after them by themselves (and still is). While it's not easy to be a single parent with 100% of the workload, it's easier than trying to live a life with the false sense of security that having their father living with us brought.

Rainydayss · 02/03/2020 13:17

You might want to read my thread about how I supported my husband through his 'depression'. Not saying its the case for you and your marriage.
However you will be sacrificing your own mental health which will them impact on your DCs. Think long term and how this all may look. Sounds like you are doing a fantastic job without him.
It is easy to feel a bit of pity to him and his pleas of missing you all....however more importantly, have you missed him?
My life is just starting now after I escaped a similar set up, I wasted many years, you are definitely not selfish for wanting more. Good luck and think of yourself, don't ever think this man is all you deserve.

PinkiOcelot · 02/03/2020 13:30

IMO I’d leave him gone. He wants to see you but not the kids?! Sorry like, but they’re going nowhere. What a prick.
The fact that you can’t have any time to yourself is very telling.
What would actually be the point in him coming back?

TooTrueToBeGood · 02/03/2020 13:35

I do wish people would stop self-diagnosing depression to excuse someone being an utter asshole. He is not depressed OP. He is just selfish to the core. He doesn't care a shiny shit about you or his kids, just his own wants and amusements. You can hold out waiting for him to morph into a completely different person but I expect you will be nothing but disappointed.

Mintjulia · 02/03/2020 13:46

He sounds like a selfish immature man who wants it to be all about him.
What kind of a person doesn’t want to be with his own children?
I couldn’t be with anyone like that.

Divebar · 02/03/2020 13:50

He isn’t depressed he’s monumentally selfish.

GrumpysOtherHalf · 02/03/2020 13:50

It sounds like he likes the comforts and convenience of living with you but wants no responsibility for his children

Doesn't work like that op. He sounds like he can't cope with the kids and they're not small babies, keeping busy doing other things is avoiding the issue of him having to bring them up, spend time with them, bond with them

He doesn't sound he has that bond so them are an inconvenience to him

If you feel better with him gone, keep him gone. He doesn't have to come back

GinWeasley · 02/03/2020 14:10

I think you should start to feel anger on behalf of your kids. He doesn't get to say he wants to see you and not them, they are part of the package. He created them!

How dare he?! Tell him to fuck right off

farthingwood5 · 02/03/2020 14:12

Thank you for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I say he is depressed because he has had anxiety around work and his moods are definitely worse, I have had depression in the past and it didn’t turn me into a selfish asshole so I’m not naive that some of the issues existed before the depression so will most definitely be there after, also he’s very resistant to getting help for it. I feel like the reality is he doesn’t actually enjoy family life but admitting that and walking away makes him look like a shit person; so he’s blaming me, his parents, everyone else.

it’s hard because he twists everything and definitely gaslights me so I struggle to think straight. He’s always telling me he’s an amazing dad- his mum says the same (‘he's such an amazing father, his brother would never have changed his daughters nappies!‘) But he will never put his children before his own needs eg his hobbies will always come first before theirs, no room for compromise. I think he loves the kids (especially my daughter) He is good with them when he’s with them, he just doesn’t enjoy it and can’t handle 24/7 family life, he loves them in small doses and maybe because he has to. Which breaks my heart for them.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 02/03/2020 14:13

Are you seriously considering taking this man back? He's horrible about your children - why would you want him living with you again?

dustibooks · 02/03/2020 14:29

So he want sto live with you, but he doesn't want to live with the kids?

What a selfish arsehole he is.

Please don't take him back.

abstractprojection · 02/03/2020 14:36

What you've described is not ok.

user1423578854468 · 02/03/2020 14:36

That's not depression, it's just abuse.

He doesn't want to live with his children, doesn't want to see his children, doesn't want to care for his children, calls them annoying and begrudges their bedtime routine but describes himself as an "amazing dad" and you agree?!

What was your own childhood like that you think this is an amazing, loving father?

abstractprojection · 02/03/2020 14:37

It's normal or acceptable behaviour regardless of any depression. And I am extremely concerned about it’s hard because he twists everything and definitely gaslights me so I struggle to think straight

YouJustDoYou · 02/03/2020 14:38

He's not changed now and he's not going to change. Youre all better off without him.

Chatter2020 · 02/03/2020 14:40

Do what you know is right for YOU and your children ... be strong

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/03/2020 14:43

I took some time out over the weekend- 2 hrs 45 mins- and he was already ringing me nagging to come home saying he was struggling with the children and I shouldn’t have been out ‘all afternoon’. when I got back he was desperate to get away again.

He's not hiding who he is. If he comes back he is saying loud and clear that you and the children are second class citizens. Can you really do that?

Fannia · 02/03/2020 14:45

I notice you said it's been nicer without him and that he has said he missed you but you haven't said you missed him.

TooTrueToBeGood · 02/03/2020 15:28

I think he loves the kids (especially my daughter) He is good with them when he’s with them, he just doesn’t enjoy it and can’t handle 24/7 family life, he loves them in small doses and maybe because he has to. Which breaks my heart for them.

The manifestation of love is doing things you'd rather not because you care more about the person you love than you do about yourself. Call it selflessness, sacrifice, love, whatever. Cherry picking nice things to do is not love and if you truly love someone small doses of time with them is never enough. Open your eyes and stop making excuses for him.

Wallywobbles · 02/03/2020 16:04

Try to imagine a different life. Say 5 years down the road. With someone who loves you and your kids. Who wants to spend time with you all. Go on holiday with you all. Who likes you, loves you, cherishes you. Now imagine never giving your kids the chance to experience that because you stayed with this half person. Not doing your kids any favors by staying.

Lozzerbmc · 02/03/2020 16:48

I think you are much better off without a man who doesnt want to accept responsibility for his own children. He misses the comfort of having his home and having stuff done for him I suspect. Stay free to meet someone more deserving.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/03/2020 17:05

said he finds our son annoying

Did I actually just read that? Why on earth are you even entertaining the idea that he's anything other than an appalling father with that attitude.

Please put your children before this selfish arse of a man. He's out and he can stay out.

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