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Is this an emotionally/financially abusive relationship or just an unhappy relationship? Advice needed

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Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 19:44

I think this may be long - sorry. I am trying to figure out if I am in an abusive relationship or just a very messed up one. I feel guilty even writing this though as DP has been really nice today 😞

We met aged 16 and 17, we were each other’s first serious relationship. We were like best friends from the day we met it was all very sweet. Looking back he always said from day one he always believed paying half’s on dates, fair enough (relevant later). We used to spend all our time together apart from one day a week when he played football (and then went on the town with his friends but he kept that from me for years I have no idea why). I didn’t go out much with friends because he would get grumpy and would be scared I would cheat on him. Even though I never had. He was very supportive of me during my uni studies and felt like my best friend.

Fast forward 5 years, he had saved a deposit to buy a house and move out of his parents home. I had also been saving but for a new car and offered to go halves on the house I wanted to live together. He said no it’s something he wants to do by himself which I respected but felt a little upset. So I started visiting his house 5 nights a week. Our sex life had died to practically nothing after 3 years together (looking back it was when I started the contraceptive pill). But we still got on in other ways and he had never complained.

Fast forward 2 more years and I had come off the pill as it was giving me problems with migraines, my sex drive came back and with in 3 months I found myself pregnant. We were happy and he said I could move in with him which I did but as soon as I found out I was pregnant I went off of sex again. 3 months into the pregnancy I came home early from work and found him in bed with another woman. He cried and said he just wanted to feel wanted as we hardly ever had sex. I felt so guilty and forgave him. He said it was the first time and I believed him as he had always been so attentive and caring to me. And I felt responsible because I just had no sex drive at all. We even went a year once without sex. When our daughter was 2 weeks old I needed to borrow his laptop as mine had broken. I stumbled across photos of this woman I found him in bed with and messages, it had been going on for 6 months before that day I caught him, and carried on for another 6 months after, she stopped it when I gave birth. There were also photos of other women on there. My neighbour heard me crying outside, came round and asked what was wrong, I told her and she said oh love there has been several women coming round for about 2 years but it all stopped when I was pregnant. I was in utter shock. I confronted him he broke down and said I could have the house for me and the baby and he would move out. I stupidly forgave him, it all felt too much I just wanted it all to go away 😞

From then on I noticed other things.

He never helped with our daughter, and started taking all the overtime he could get. He said it was because we would need more money with a baby. I found out he was £10,000 in debt. He had an expensive car, nice clothes and liked to gamble. After one year my maternity pay ran out. I told him I had no money to buy things for our daughter. He said maybe I would stop being lazy and go back to work then. I started working part time, and used the money to buy things for our daughter, clothes, shoes, swimming lessons etc. Even though the relationship didn’t feel right I was content being a family and being a mum and went on to have a second daughter. That’s when everything got worse. I had a c section and struggled to cope with a baby and a toddler. When I came home from hospital he said he was so tired from looking after the toddler he needed a nap and left me with both.

I became frustrated doing everything, he became frustrated I wasn’t working but I couldn’t afford childcare for two. He said my retired mother should help. Our sex life died again as I could barely stand to look at him. He showed no interest in our daughters at all. Became demanded of what I cooked him for dinner, how the washing was done etc. I felt exhausted and struggled financially my mum bought the dds clothes and I scrimped on the food shopping money he gave me to afford their swimming lessons. Meanwhile he had a new car, new clothes, gambled and got further into debt. He did treat us to a holiday once a year though and said that was why he was in debt.

Fast forward youngest DD started school. I went back to work school hours. He worked 6 days a week on night shift including weekends as it paid better (he started nights when oldest DD was born) so we hardly saw him since she was born. I became resentful working then doing all the housework and cooking then spending weekends alone with the DDs food shopping and cleaning it was miserable.

I then got attention from a younger man at work. I felt alive. We went out for drinks and ending up texting a lot. I told him I had fallen for him and we kissed a few times in the pub car park after work. I left my phone out and my DH saw. Said he would leave. That should have been the end but I begged him to stay 😞 I don’t know why. Maybe because deep down I do love him and was scared to not be with him.

Since then he questions wherever I go, seems angry a lot, and I feel uncomfortable. Which is my own fault as I was unfaithful. He doesn’t like me spending time on my phone.

My oldest DD has started to get the tween attitude and now her and DH clash. It’s awful. She keeps saying I don’t want to live with him mummy he is always grumpy.

Then once every so often (maybe once a month) he will seem nice, help me with some house work, and interact with the DDs.

I know he is sad that we have no sex life but he literally makes me feel anxious and I’m upset that he is not a good dad.

But today he has been nice. He prepared dinner which he never does, and helped the girls with the spellings which he never does, and spoke in a nice tone of voice to us.

I’m confused if I’m financially abused as if I need things for me or the DDs I have to work for this like school trips, uniform, Xmas presents etc. It costs me about £500 a month for everything as they also play instruments and do dance and that includes Xmas for everyone birthday parties etc. But he does work hard to pay the mortgage and utility bills and he gives me £80 a week for the food shopping. But I always go over so add extra in out of my £600 a month wages.

And I don’t know if this is emotional abuse as I’m now scared to tell him I want to leave. I can imagine the angry look in his eyes. I tried to leave at Xmas and he said there must be someone else, I said there wasn’t and we would try to work things out. My friend left her husband last month and he said a woman would only leave her husband if there was another man so now I’m scared to say I want to leave again.

I just don’t know what to do.

I spend 6 nights a week alone while he works nights, I found out he has gambled another £10,000 last year, He bought a £30,000 car but he said he works nights to support the family as I only work part time. I don’t know what to think anymore. If it’s me being unreasonable or him.

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Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 19:50

Sorry that was so long

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conduitoffortune · 01/03/2020 19:53

What a waste of a life. I feel sad that you have stayed with him for so long. He has no redeeming qualities and I can't think of any reason for you to stay. Your daughter's voice is powerful, and I hope that this is enough to make you leave him.

LookingForward6 · 01/03/2020 19:57

So sorry to hear what you’re going through Flowers
Find a solicitor, you may be eligible for legal aid. This is emotional and financial abuse. Women’s Aid may also be able to help, perhaps advice and support on re-housing. There are many of us out there that have stayed in controlling and abusive relationships for too long. You still have the rest of your life ahead of you, he will destroy your mind and your confidence if you do not escape. Also not good for your daughters to see his behaviour. He will never change. Good luck.

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:02

We own a house together. And I feel bad To ask him to leave as he works hard to pay the mortgage. He always says he loves and supports me but I do not feel it in his actions?

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Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:03

I thought I would stay until my youngest is 18 as I feel guilty to take them away from him. But my oldest keeps saying I don’t want to live with daddy he is too grumpy and I don’t like it

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Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:04

I feel like maybe I have contributed to some of the problems with the lack of sex that’s why I am unsure if it’s abuse or not

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Candyfloss99 · 01/03/2020 20:05

It's abusive. He needs to leave asap

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:05

I keep telling him I am lonely spending 6 nights and every weekend alone for 10 years but he says he is working hard for the family. But I know if he controlled his spending he wouldn’t have to do this so it upsets me

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Canadianpancake · 01/03/2020 20:09

What stood out for me in all that is the fact that one of the reasons today was a 'good day' was because he used a nice tone of voice with you and DC. Also, living someone and being scars to be without them are two very different things.

When you leave, you will find strength you never knew you had and you will make a better life for you and your DC. If leaving him without telling him is how you need to do it then do it, you don't owe him anything. Yes he is abusive, and he always has been. Can your mum help get you out of the situation?

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:09

And I feel so guilty that I basically had an emotional affair, which I ended as soon as he found out and changed jobs. That was 2 years ago. I just felt great full to feel alive again but I know it was so wrong. So I feel like I have no right to say I am not happy now

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LookingForward6 · 01/03/2020 20:09

He’s abusive. Twisting things to be your fault is manipulative. Why on earth would you want to have sex with an arse like him? He sounds like a narcissist. You could stay until the children are 18 but it will be hell. Your children will witness a terrible relationship, he will control you further, you will lose yourself, he will continue to have affairs.

RandomMess · 01/03/2020 20:15

He's abusive and you're co-dependent I think.

Please end it, your life is miserable, your DDs aren't happy and he could end up gambling away the house anyway.

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12345kbm · 01/03/2020 20:15

OP that was like watching a slow motion car crash.

You don't say if you're married to this Prince but you say that you jointly own the house which is something. If you're not married, at least you won't get lumbered with his debt unless he's run up debt in your name. Can you do a Credit Report and find out if there is debt in your name?

I think you've been unreasonable to stay for so long and to beg him to stay. He's financially and emotionally abusive. He's cheated on you throughout the relationship, he doesn't pay any attention to his children who don't want to live with him and he obviously doesn't care about you.

Here's the CABx guide to Ending an Relationship. Gingerbread have all the advice you need on child contact, maintenance and benefits etc and have a good helpline you can call. If you do find out you are in debt because of him then contact the National Debtline who can give you advice on what to do.

Visit your GP or local GUM for an STD test.

Don't have any more children with this clown.

NewNameGuy · 01/03/2020 20:15

Everything you've written screams abuse.

Do what you can to get this man out of you and DDs life
Flowers

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:19

I don’t think he cheats anymore he said he hasn’t since we had the kids. Although he did still go on lads holidays once a year until I had the emotional affair then he decided it wasn’t fair for him to go on them anymore. I feel like it’s all my fault for letting this go on so long. We are not married but have been together 17 years

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Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:20

He has a lock on his phone so I’m not sure what’s on there but I don’t even care anymore if he does cheat. It’s like I’m just to exhausted to care

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 01/03/2020 20:24

But today he has been nice. He prepared dinner which he never does, and helped the girls with the spellings which he never does, and spoke in a nice tone of voice to us.

Any possibility he's read your other thread?

I think if you're afraid that he will attempt to stop you leaving, it's an indicator that there is at least a level of emotional abuse. Certainly it sounds financially abusive.

Since then he questions wherever I go, seems angry a lot, and I feel uncomfortable. Which is my own fault as I was unfaithful. He doesn’t like me spending time on my phone

Did you act like that after finding out he'd been fucking multiple other women? (which BTW I'd put money on him still doing)

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:24

Also I’m confused because he is always telling me he loves me and that he will support me in what ever I want to do but it doesn’t feel like it is true. And that maybe it isn’t abuse because when he cheated I begged him to stay, and when I had an emotional affair I begged him to stay. It’s like I panicked and couldn’t imagine life without him, even though I’m so unhappy, which doesn’t make sense

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12345kbm · 01/03/2020 20:25

OP he's a liar. Don't believe a word he says and don't risk your health because of him. Untreated STDs can give you lifelong health problems so get yourself checked out.

Check to see if there is a Freedom Programme in your area and if not, contact your local domestic abuse organisation to see what support is available locally. Have a chat with them about his behaviour in order to confirm that he is abusive. I have no doubt that his behaviour is far worse than you've written here.

You're not married which makes leaving easier. I gave you details above on how to organise a separation. There is no redeeming this relationship OP. Please leave.

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:26

evenmirefurious no I didn’t act like that, I still had to let him go on lads holidays and have a lock on his phone as he said he is not paying the price of one mistake forever

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Pinkerpellosa · 01/03/2020 20:27

I haven't read your post but from the title alone - does it matter which it is? Of you're not happy, leave!

12345kbm · 01/03/2020 20:44

Sorry, OP. I've also seen that you're scared to tell him you want to leave. Don't tell him those are your plans. Just go about finding out information and where you stand with the house as unobtrusively as you can in case his behaviour escalates. Get advice on safety from your local DV organisation.

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:49

I feel unreasonable that I’m scared to tell him I want to leave. As I shouldn’t be scared of him he would be confused that I am. But for some reason I’m scared to have the conversation and then be around each other while we work out what to do. I just want to remove myself from the situation but maybe I am being a coward? But I just can’t see any other way of me leaving, I’ve got myself in such a state before wanting to tell him that I’ve just left things and carried on

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 01/03/2020 20:55

So he banged multiple women behind your back, but you weren't allowed - and still aren't - to question him, whereas you had a couple of snogs with another man and that means you put up with being controlled?

I would put money on him still doing it. Men like this don't accept a relationship without sex. They feel entitled to get it elsewhere.

Anxious2020 · 01/03/2020 20:59

Do you think woman’s aid would see this as abuse? It’s almost like I need someone to confirm it to me. I keep thinking I’ve contributed to this so maybe it’s not abuse because I’ve stayed with him
And asked him to stay with me twice, and also the relationship turned sexless for a while which was my fault. But he never mentioned being unhappy with it that’s why I never gave it much thought. He said he didn’t mention it because he didn’t want to loose me

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