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His female friends.... How does everyone deal with it

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Greysunshine · 27/02/2020 16:52

My boyfriend has a number of female friends that I am wary about. His wife left him 3 years ago because of this and felt he had an EA, after his wife left he did sleep with one of these women although didn’t go further but would confirm the EA.

He likes to be the knight in shining armor, there’s a few who rely on him for support, (mostly coming out of abusive relationships, help with sick relatives, moving house) and because he knows I have an issue with it he chooses not to tell me who he’s talking to or what about.
He can’t see how being friends with these vulnerable (or pretending to be) women can cause trouble.
We have a great relationship a lot of the time. I also have had bad experiences myself. Because of this, emotionally I keep him at arms length And this isn’t where I want to be.

I want to build a life with someone and share everything I have but am too wary of my boyfriends female friends to get too start building an actual life together.
I know everyone will tell me to end it but at the moment we have such a nice lifestyle there didn’t seem much point in ending it.
We’ve been together 18 months. We don’t live together but have lots of weekends away, holidays, sleep overs, date nights and great times. When I start getting too attached I do get upset that it’s not what I want so remind myself that he’s mr right now and maybe not mr right.
When I’m slightly detached and uncaring, we get on so much better, like I’m care free and not jealous or worried etc. then something will pop up and I get moody, upset and go inside my shell a bit to avoid an argument
What should I do? Just carry on, approach the subject with him? If so, how?
Is it ok to keep him at arms length and just keep building my own life alone with him on the sidelines?
For example, I want to buy a bigger house in next couple of years, I would like to be doing this with a boyfriend but also happy to do it alone as I don’t seem to trust him and just have him stay over as and when.
We are 38 and 41, I feel too old for this drama and do want to build the rest of my life in a normal relationship, just don’t know how to do it.

OP posts:
Greysunshine · 28/02/2020 12:24

@Grobagsforever I get he’s allowed female friends, it’s just he chooses to keep them away from me I guess and let’s it get too far. Xmas 2018, one of their husbands contacted me because of it (she has since left him but he obviously was concerned). We had an argument about it and as we were only 6 months in, I did tell him I didn’t want to be part of this and not to bother contacting me anymore. He did then go out and kissed her (I also spent the same night flirting my night away so can’t hold it against him) but my point is then she wasn’t just a “friend”.
I have male friends, lots of them, because of my work but I know where boundaries are, I don’t tell them my personal problems or ask for emotional support and definitely wouldn’t kiss any on a night out, it seems he doesn’t know where boundaries cross.

Maybe it’s for his self esteem. He would also help male friends out, he has male friends but they aren’t so needy, he also has some female friends I actually like, have met and would help out myself. Just these single needy ones who I don’t know I guess.
@restlessatno9 it does seem it’s all about the nice things we do reading my posts but I do think he’s a lovely person, I actually really enjoy his company even just watching tv and watching him play with the kids or going for a walk, lazy Saturday mornings. This is why i flit between wanting more and keeping him at arms length because of the female friends issue. He has some wonderful traits. I guess he just wants to feel needed and maybe I’m insecure in myself to worry about it (didn’t think I was) After all he chooses to continue the relationship with me and it’s me that has the issue.

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Eesha · 28/02/2020 12:27

Op, dating is hard work but you have to weigh up what's important to you and whether worth starting again. It sounds like you are in limbo. My current partner only has female friends (we are casual but exclusive) and that annoys me a bit as they have all slept with him! If we were very serious about each other, I'd probably make a stand about it or want him to visibly show them that I'm a big part of his life. However we aren't like that.

Greysunshine · 28/02/2020 12:28

@TheStuffedPenguin because I wanted some people’s point of view, how others have dealt with it. Is it acceptable? Should I accept it and let him in and start to Plan to build our lives together or keep him at arms length because of this issue?

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Greysunshine · 28/02/2020 12:34

@Eesha I don’t actually have the energy or the time for dating at the moment and I don’t think it’s worth starting again at this time in my life. Obviously I would if something major happened but he’s generally one of the good ones (hence my insecurities about the others wanting him)
I’m not sure how you manage that he’s slept with all his female friends in the past, I would struggle with that although being only casual I guess it don’t matter so much as long as you’re both exclusive. How would it work longer term? Would you be ok with it in a serious long term planning a future relationship? I get if it happened a long time ago at uni then I would be fine with it. I slept with my house mate at uni and we are still friends, our kids actually play together and I’m friends with his wife so don’t see that as an issue

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ArtemisOfOrtygia · 28/02/2020 12:47

How does everyone deal with it
I personally wouldn't. It's fine for a guy to have female friends, but when he is actively collecting vulnerable and needy women as his friends, something is not right with guy or his friendships. I would rather be with someone who has more healthy people and relations in his life.

Eesha · 28/02/2020 13:40

@Greysunshine I don't really like it but he isn't open about me and him to them. He has slept with them all numerous times, then stopped, then met me. His logic is he doesn't want to upset anyone!!! It sounds silly but I believe him, I think it boosts his self esteem that these women want him somehow! I see it for what it is, but it wouldn't be for me long term. I'd want everyone to know we were together and for him and them to respect that.

MinnieMountain · 28/02/2020 16:34

DH has more close female friends than male.

The only time it's been a problem is when one got together with DH's brother who left her after 2 years and caused a huge shit storm. She became very emotionally needy with DH. DH wasn't comfortable with it and neither was I. DH distanced himself from her until things got back to normal. I wouldn't have expected anything less.

datasgingercatspot · 28/02/2020 16:46

I couldn't be arsed with a bloke like this. Too much like hard work. But it works for you to keep fagging away it, I guess. His behaviour broke up his marriage, he then slept with the 'friend' and 6 months in he kissed another. I don't shag or kiss my friends, do you? Tells you all you need to know.

tinyvulture · 28/02/2020 17:39

My boyfriend has a few female friends and I don’t really mind about most of them. However, he is also good friends with his ex (they were married 30 years). Mostly the friendships never bother me but the last one did for quite a while - so I guess I combatted that by making friends with her myself (we get on quite well now). He’s also slightly friends with two women he dated for a bit post divorce, and those friendships have made me insecure at times and possibly still could - but as he only contacts them very occasionally and doesn’t actually meet up with them, it doesn’t really bother me at the moment.

My occasional insecurity is actually one of the things I am looking at with my counsellor, as I think to be honest it is more my problem than his (which is not to say he hasn’t been crass and insensitive at times - but we’ve talked about that).

One thing my counsellor has said to me is, if your boyfriend wanted to be with one of these women rather than you, presumably he would be?

I should add that I, also, am good friends with my ex husband, and have other male friends, at least one of which has previously expressed clear feelings for me (unreciprocated).

I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules as to what is right or wrong in a relationship regarding opposite sex friends - different strokes for different folks. I think what IS important is that you and your boyfriend can agree a compromise that suits you both, and some mutually agreeable boundaries. For example, my boyfriend and I accept each other’s opposite sex friends, but are open about the contact we have with them, and would check with each other a proposed night out with one of them or something like that, to see if it seemed ok. And we have both said no previously to each other staying over at our exes (even when it seemed convenient due to stuff we were doing with the kids), not because we don’t trust each other, but because it would make us uncomfortable.

If your boyfriend is willing to compromise and be open to your feelings, hopefully it can work. If not, then I don’t think there can be much of a long term future in it - you don’t want to be feeling insecure for the rest of your life.....

Greysunshine · 28/02/2020 18:37

Thank you tinyvulture. i think I should talk to him properly and that maybe in the past I have approached him in the wrong way instead of explaining exactly what I would be upset about. When we get some time alone I will sit down with him and explain that maybe if I was to know these women then it would t feel such and issue. He also gets along with his exw very well, something I find hard seeing as the reason she left was his friendships with other women yet she’s now more than happy to be one of them. Although it’s better they get on for the kids than not so it’s not as much as issue.
I’m not sure how to bring it up or what to say without him thinking I’m causing him of doing something he shouldn’t or thinking I’m a control freak

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daysoff · 05/01/2024 01:51

OP if you see this could you tell me how it panned out?

Starryskies1 · 05/01/2024 08:44

The part that would concern me is that he doesn’t talk to you about who he is seeing etc. he could involve you in those friendships from time to time. It doesn’t need to be completely separate. Maybe he likes the issue it causes. He is allowed female friends. But has he learnt from his past, as one relationship ended because of it. Do you have male friends and behave the way he does? If one of the friendships became an affair it was more than a friendship. I would think most friends wouldn’t cross that line.

Bookworm20 · 05/01/2024 11:52

and because he knows I have an issue with it he chooses not to tell me who he’s talking to or what about.

If he knows you have an issue with it, he should be doing the exact opposite of that. He should be being very open and reassuring. I mean if they are just friends he should be making it really fucking clear there is nothing to worry about.
What he is doing is simply making his life easier for himself because he knows you have an issue with it and its EASIER for him to just not tell you. He can't be bothered, because he doesn't care that it upsets you. These 'friendships' and his ego boosts and easy life are more important to him than your feelings about it.

It is normal for men to have female friends for many reasons. It is not normal for them to segregate them from their partner and keep it all on the hush hush.

He is reasoning it as your problem. Making you feel like you are the unreasonable one. YOU have a problem with it. Its not HIS problem. But he knows full well he is 100% responsible for causing this problem and can sort it out in a second. But he is choosing not to because he enjoys the ego boost of being the 'nice guy'.
And i'll bet he even tells you he helps them because he is 'a nice guy'.

Nice guys help others, yes. But not at the expense of their partners security and feelings. They also have no need to announce they are in fact 'nice guys'.

His wife left him over it. He knows, trust me. He sounds like a typical selfish prick who thinks he can do what he wants, when he wants, with who he wants.

Is it acceptable?
Not how you have described it, no. The unacceptable part is all the behind your back stuff.

Should I accept it and let him in and start to Plan to build our lives together or keep him at arms length because of this issue?

Why should you accept it when its upsetting you? Ask yourself this question. If there was something that you were doing which was making him anxious or upset, would you just think tough shit and carry on doing it or would you try and understand it, address it and come up with a solution?

It makes no difference how unreasonable he thinks or tells you you are being. It matters to YOU. And he doesn't give a shit.

Think of it this way. Lets say he had a total aversion to red nail polish. hated it, made him upset every time you wore it. You might think wtf, thats ridiculous. Would you then purposely continue to wear red nail polish? Or would you think, ok, i think its nuts but I want to be with him and as it really matters to him I'll stop because I care about his feelings and he is important to me.

Its not controlling, its simply expressing something that upsets you that the other person is doing. How they choose to address it speaks volumes about their feelings for you.

And being concerned about his insistence to 'help' all his single female friends he plays white knight to is not an unreasonable thing to be upset about.

I get dating is a pain, but don't let this one in OP. He will hurt you. He is hurting you already, thats why you are here asking this question.
Personally i'd leave him to it and start focusing on finding someone who actually makes you feel safe and doesn't purposely do things to make you insecure while throwing it onto your shoulders as a 'you' problem.

Bookworm20 · 05/01/2024 11:53

Ooops Zombie thread.
I hope you moved on OP and are now happily with someone else.

Onehouratatime · 05/01/2024 16:54

Sounds alot like my ex....who's also 41... 🤣 if his name starts with a D then it wouldn't suprise me if this is actually the same guy

daysoff · 05/01/2024 18:43

These guys are absolute torture

Pinkbonbon · 05/01/2024 18:55

Time to stop being a pick me. His wife left and you know that's why she left. Because he behaves completely inappropriately...and you're asking how to keep him around and tolerate it?

Raise the bar op. Follow in his wife's footsteps and no, don't even keep him on the sidelines because then you'll be 'the other women' for the next poor sap that thinks she can change him or tolerate his bullshit.

5128gap · 05/01/2024 19:38

I'd say you've already got this figured. You don't want to invest 100% in a man you can't trust because he's a serial woman befriender and you'll never know if he's going to cross boundaries with any of them (like he has in the past) but you enjoy his company so don't see the need to end it sy the moment. No problems there that I can see. I'm sure when the desire to find a life partner is stronger than the laziness of not bothering, you'll do what you need to do.

Livelifelaughter · 05/01/2024 19:45

OP, trust me this will do your head in. My ex had female friends and he openly told me they were ex's and I wouldn't be able to meet them. I had male friends that I would introduce him to so that he could feel comfortable in the hope he would follow my example. But ultimately he was a player, he likes the attention of women.
You deserve better than this.

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