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Abusive parent and how do I have boundaries for myself and children

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unhappywithlife · 12/02/2020 12:22

My dad is a narcissist and pitted me and my sister against each other growing up. She was the smart, beautiful child and I was the ugly and thick one. He went off her when she became a teenager and answered back and generally I am the favourite, but as I don't have a partner I am still sometimes an easy target, so I have to keep re asserting my boundaries with him. Its backfired as me and my sister are very close and she sees the abuse and validates it with me. She has her own issues too, but throws herself into work as a way to deal with it.

I have developed BPD as a result and also been in an abusive relationship myself. I'm very good at looking at myself and my flaws and have had therapy for four years to work on myself and manage my BPD (which I do pretty well). The abuse has had a lasting impact on me and I have awful self-esteem and struggle with feelings of guilt that I'm not good enough for my child. I have counselling every week and despite everything I am a pretty good parent.

My mum is an abused women still by my dad, but won't really acknowledge the abuse to me and my sister or to herself (she uses alcohol as a coping mechanism). I love my mum, but after doing the freedom program I now see her as a broken woman and see she was emotionally unavailable growing us because of the abuse. I don't blame her for not leaving and appreciate how hard it is to leave these types of relationships. I have broken the cycle by leaving one myself for my own children's sake, as well as my own.

One of my mums only source of joy is my children and I still let her see them, but now I am single my dad seems to think its fair game to be abusive to me and also started bullying my children and favouring one over the other and getting them to engage in games of picking on each other with him. My daughter is pretty strong minded for seven and will tell him if he's being horrible etc. My daughter now tells me she hates my dad and he's nasty as he only likes boys and that he treats nanny like a servant. If my dad is bullying my children I will immediately telling him to stop and if he doesn't I don't make a scene and I just leave with them and won't make contact with them. I'm not sure what else I can do to show boundaries and protect my daughter. I always explain after what he did wrong and how it's not her fault etc. I want my mum to see my daughter, but I don't want her to be abused and I want to know what I can do to have boundaries with my dad to protect my daughter and how I can teach her what's healthy and explain his behaviour or do I have to cut them both out for good.

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HelenUrth · 12/02/2020 13:37

Cut your dad out. Show your kids this isnt acceptable. If your mum wants to see your kids she comes to you. Due to your father being abusive she may not be "permitted" to do this. So you could end up with no relationship with either of them, but that's better than your children being abused. This is not a situation of your making.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 12/02/2020 13:40

Don’t let your children near your dad, if your mum wants to see them she had to come meet you separately.

You can’t protect your children from him but just telling them he’s wrong

Dragongirl10 · 12/02/2020 13:40

I agree you have to cut him out, your children will be affected by his nasty ways.
Meet your DM out without him, if he complains tell him it is because he was a nasty shit to you and your sister and you will not allow him to do the same to his grandchildren.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 12/02/2020 13:42

I’m very low contact with my mum, twice a year. My eldest doesn’t come with me and she’s asked numerous times to have my daughter on her own, I’ve just made noises about it and it’s not happened.

You are still in therapy why are you visiting them at all ???

12345kbm · 12/02/2020 13:52

Well done. You sound amazing. I bet you're a great mum and from the sounds of your daughter (sticking up for herself and pointing out sexism) you're doing a fabulous job.

As others have said, you need to keep your dad away from your children. You are condoning abuse by taking them into the lion's den, so to speak. You were brought up in an abusive household and you are taking your children to that household to continue the abuse. I know it's hard but keep them away from him. Your mum will have to sort out other ways of seeing her grandchildren since she wants to stay with her abuser.

unhappywithlife · 12/02/2020 13:59

It's so hard as I do love my mum, but I just can't keep letting my kids go around and see them. My mum wouldn't be allowed to see the children on her own unfortunately, but that's not my fault. I've been put in this situation which isn't my own making and I need to protect my children and put them first. Thank you all for being kind.

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blackcat86 · 12/02/2020 14:09

Could you meet them in a public place that suits the children like soft play? MIL is also a narcissist with FIL as the enabler (I struggle to know if he's just not very bright or actively blind to it all). I thought I could manage the toxic elements of them until my daughter was older by which time they would be elderly - shes only 18 months. Sadly we've had to already gratefully reduce the amount of time we see them and keep it supervised as they make inappropriate comments about her weight or her being a tart, try to instil their own discipline measured that are not age appropriate and always try and one up anything we do as parents..they simply cant respect boundaries. I have found switching the dynamic to activities that suit DD has really helped and she actually prefers this. That way she has loving grandparents but is away from the toxic stuff. Maybe I'm kidding myself but we had to stop going to the house as it was just a captive audience.

blackcat86 · 12/02/2020 14:12

Oh and DH has BPD so there a lot of similarities. We have found even saying, actually this is about DD and what she wants to do helpful for taking some the attention and fuel away from MIL.

unhappywithlife · 12/02/2020 14:23

@blackcat86 my dad wouldn't entertain going anywhere that wasn't his choice and tbh it wouldn't stop him acting like an asshole anyway. I think it's a case of seeing my mum without my dad around, but I know he will kick off when I stop contact and bad mouth me to anyone who listens. I will have everything thrown in my face of what he's done for me over the years and mentally i'm just scared to deal with it and wonder how my mental health copes. I did DBT a couple of years ago and a lot of us seemed to have parents who were narcissists.

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dustibooks · 12/02/2020 14:31

It really, really doesn't matter what he says to other people. If they are the sort to believe the bile that comes out of his mouth then you don't want them in your life either.

It is awful that your mum is being abused by him, but by refusing to let her visit you without him, he is controlling you as well as her and making you both submit to his will.

Please don't ever let this abuser near your children. You might not be able to protect your mum, but you can protect them.

blackcat86 · 12/02/2020 14:40

Thats really hard but with PIL we offer if they ask to see DD. Then if they turn it down or prioritise something else that's their choice. Ideally MIL would like to parade DD around her friends as if she were a sleepy newborn not an energetic toddler but that doesn't work for DD so we dont allow it.

Mum2Girls90 · 12/02/2020 20:29

OP you are literally describing my life, with the same parental dynamics.
However, my situation is much more complex due to other circumstances.

My dad too is also a misogynistic a**hole who has no respect for women. Out of me and 3 brothers I was raised but nothing with inequality my whole life.
I now no longer have a relationship with my dad. I see my mum (also a strained relationship) when she visits my house. Me or my children do not go to her house. I don’t engage in any conversation about him when mum chooses to talk to me about him. I have nothing to do with him and I told my mum I will not choose or she can walk too.

I also left my children’s dad for the same reasons. Having 2 daughters, I felt it was so important for them to know their worth that poor relationship patterns were not what I wanted for them as I’ve lived it.
My children ask from time to time why we don’t see “granddad” anymore and I’m honest about my choice. He brought nothing positive to my life, he hurt my repeatedly and also withdrew at a time I desperately needed the support of my parents. He’s not a nice person and I choose to not have that.
Children that young don’t understand, but my eldest is 11 and slowly beginning to understand.

So limit contact or none at all. Don’t engage in tormenting conversation. Or visit in a public area where they’re less likely to take off the mask.

Always here if you want to DM and chat x

unhappywithlife · 14/02/2020 09:10

@Mum2Girls90 my expartner sounds similar and was very abusive to me and I've only just got out of that too. My parents have given me no support leaving an abusive relationship and wouldn't even lend me some money when I went into a refuge (I had £10 to my name). My parents are pretty well off as well. Luckily my sister was able to help me out and is very supportive. I had my counselling yesterday, which helped loads.

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